Tories face wipeout as they drop to fourth place in major poll
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-yougov-poll-labour-lib-dem-reform-b2754230.html
Posted by tylerthe-theatre
Tories face wipeout as they drop to fourth place in major poll
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservatives-yougov-poll-labour-lib-dem-reform-b2754230.html
Posted by tylerthe-theatre
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Tories being wiped out used to be a fantasy. However if reform are the replacement it might become a nightmare.
> The poll will pile pressure on Ms Badenoch as she tries to turn the party’s fortunes around
What exactly has she been trying?
Welp. It’s been a fun couple of centuries.
Bye, bye, Tories.
The entire point of the Conservative Party was to be sensible, pro-business and not overly reactive.
This current iteration has trashed its business reputation over Brexit for idealogical reasons, trashed its reputation for being sensible with it’s mad forays with Johnson and Truss, can never ‘out-Reform’ Reform on immigration etc anyway without losing its remaining liberal rump of voters and seems absolutely obsessed with what toilets people can use over things like the cost of living, housing and public services.
Consistency backing Johnson long after the general public clearly despised him has further ruined their reputation.
They are doomed – who is their voter these days?
I mean many reasons why the Tories are done for but they don’t help themselves this woman is odd nothing about her is likable odd is the best description.
Lucky for them there isn’t an election for at least 4 years so this is mostly pointless psephological navel gazing.
Between the circus that was the prior government and Badenoch’s absence of authoritative identity, I’m expecting the next decade for the Conservatives to be one to forget. Ditching Badenoch, at this point, would be like putting the car wipers on after crashing into a ditch.
Should make for an interesting party conference come October, attendance wise
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Badenoch has to go.
The smart people in the Tory party probably knew being the first leader in opposition was a poisoned chalice, not that Badenoch has helped herself by trying to ape Reform and complain about issues caused by her party’s time in government.
Well duh, that’s why Reform is first.
The Tories need to either change direction and move away from far right policies or just have everyone form the party move to Reform.
Maybe trying to sound like Reform isn’t a winning strategy? Just a thought…
Depends on how you look at it.
A vaguely sensible centre right (pro business, pro economic stability, pro law and order) is is a good thing to have. If the Tories implode it doesn’t mean all right of centre thought has gone away, its just moved it’s support from the Conservatives to a bunch of loonies like Reform.
I think Badenoch has tried to complete with Farage on the Loony front and that’s a losing tactic and anyone who that it likely to appeal to has gone to Reform anyway.
To older Pro Business and one nation Tories (the ‘wets’ as they used to be called) have moved their support to either Lib Dems or Labour. They could potentially go Tory again, but not with someone like Badenoch in charge.
Don’t count to Tories out just yet, they where wildly unpopular in the late 90s and early 2000’s as well under a series of right wing leaders. When they brought in someone more palatable they started to get support back.
Good. They’ve had it coming. The last 14 years have shown what morally corrupt people they are.
Sadly, some will transfer to Reform who are even worse. But maybe, just maybe, more people will catch on quicker this time.
When is her 12 months up? Surely she’s gone then.
This does put a smile on my face. Unless Reform is what’s replacing them
People cannot forget badly executed Brexit, lies in Brexit, Boris’s covid parties, blow up of fiscal rules during covid, covid contract sleaze, cost of living crisis, high taxes, failing nhs, trashed infrastructure, Liz truss’s collosal economy blowup, off the charts illegal and legal immigration, high inflation, loss of business investments — it is a bit of track! And they deserve to be wiped out.
Bye bye! Don’t let the door slam you in the a*se on your way out.
It is at this point you want the Lib Dems to stop cosplaying as a Party and actually be a real opposition to Labour
They did such a crappy job for so long, completely vandalised British society and left us in tatters. They deserve it. As for Reform, if we had a voter turnout better than 30% maybe they’d do less well
This is what they never thought would happen. They thought after 14 years of messing around and doing nothing that somehow they would still be just as popular as ever. Unbelievably satisfying to see them being wiped out.
You have no greater example of a party that cannot get things done, 14 years of proof. Giving their friends plenty of taxpayer money for schemes that amount to nothing.
Good riddance.
The Tory party membership along with the rule changes that had the membership have the final say in the party leadership election are to blame for the collapse of the party. The party membership continue to choose the least suitable candidate option each time. They could have had Jeremy Hunt instead of Boris, Rishi instead of 40 days of madness under Liz Trust which was the nail in the coffin of the party, then Rishi continued to pander to the right of his party rather than steer them back to an electable platform. Then to ensure they become completely irrelevant they vote in Kemi over James Cleverly who was the only grown up left in the CPP. Every leader they have chosen has moved them further into irrelevancy and away from where the rest of the country is at. Then to really kill them off, they lose the right flank of the party to Reform UK. Ironic given how the party had pandered to that wing of the party for 10 years+. However those with any brain power can see that the one thing the UK could do to screw the economy in to the ground is to vote in the Reform buffoon and his racist friends.
I can only see a hung parliament as the result of a 2029 GE and I just pray that Reform do not do as well current polling would suggest.
Lib Dems stealing the centre right and reform nabbing the right wing.
A classic pincer movement.
The funniest thing it was all their own doing. Brexit created a huge division within the party and it’s voter base.
The whole EU referendum was an attempt by Cameron to destroy the UKIP vote that was siphoning off just enough votes to threaten the Conservative majority and possibly bring Labour back into office.
I was a Conservative but that act of craven political cowardice was the end for me. That was a Prime Minister risking the economic and social future of an entire country, not to mention the union with Scotland, for purely partisan political goals.
And in the end, it didn’t work anyway. The Conservatives are still dying and we just trashed the economy and our international reputation in the process.
This is good until you realise that it’s reform taking their place. I’m no fan on the Conservative Party but there is a sadness in how far right they’ve been pulled. Labour need a strong and reasonable opposition. All equates to a shit show for our country.
Greens and Lib Dem’s need to put their differences aside and have an electoral pact or merge into one party. There is one alternative to the conservatives, but 2/3 alternatives to labour. If the left and centre stay this divided to 2028, there’s no chance. Reform will sweep the board the sell off all public services to the highest bidder and we’re all fucked. Also, their budget proposals make Liz Truss’s look tiny, wake the fuck up!
Well, they spent more than a decade in power, they totally and irreversibly wrecked that country in the meantime. Go figure
Let them rot! They had their chance and they mugged us off, feathered their nests and fucked the country. They will not be mourned.
Meh. Reform are just the Tories with a new lapel pin and even more vocal rascism. I do wonder if, assuming the last fourteen years of gross negligence and incompetence have finally removed the curse of the Tories from us, how *more* many familiar faces will suddenly show up in their ranks…
God I thought I would be glad to see the Tories wiped out… not if Reform are on the prowl.
If one of the parties thats jumped them wasn’t a pack of morons whose leader sold one of the biggest political fumbles in recent history and then up and left the fucking country, this would fill me with much more pleasure. As it is… it’s mostly just another damning indictment of the electorate.
They groomed Badenoch to be leader, “they” being the dark money pricks of Tufton Street, and all that time and money and effort is barrelling down the plug hole in, frankly, very impressive speeds. To create such a failure when just sticking someone in her place and them not saying anything for 8 months would have worked out better is truly impressive.
They say never attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence. But it seemed like much of the previous Tory government were relatively open to UKIP/Reform type politics while they were in office. That we already had a Reform government. We had one for the last ten or so years since Bojo took over from May.
It seems almost calculated that the Tories don’t think they can turn things around. Because they have ruined their reputation while being in government for the last fourteen years.
So they are using Reform as a reset. That the Tory parties failures weren’t failures because they tried to listen to UKIP and Reforms policy demands. They were failures because the Tories were in power. Now we get to try it again with the right people in charge. Surely it will work this time.
And the arsonists claim they should be left in charge of fighting fires.
They need to pivot away from culture war and identity politics, all that “hurr durr woke so im against it” nonsense has to be thrown out.
Let reform be that joke of a party and let the tories reinvent themselves as actual grown up conservatives with a love for their country.
Christ, having Starmer in charge has reminded me what it’s like to have boring and competent leadership.
I’d rather the collective face reform than Tories. The die hard Tories of yestercentury will scatter and it’s significantly easier to dismantle reform at that point. It’s the old people who vote against the interest of the youth that really needs to be addressed.
As lovely as this news is, I’m more than a little concerned by the party that seeks to replace them.
Well, it’s run by black people now, surely the last nail in the coffin for most conservatives..
Labour echoing Enoch Powell on “Island of strangers” immigration made this all the more hilarious.
Don’t worry, labor is just tories who pretend to be a “common person”
If farage left Reform, they would quickly go the same way as UKIP – remember them? But, even if he stays, once the spotlight turns on them approaching an election the paucity of actual, concrete and clearly costed policies will become more apparent to the electorate. Will that matter? Not certain tbh, but I suspect it would.
As for the tories, they have time to recover before the next election. How, well by jettisoning losers like badenoch for a start. It’s uncertain how they will turn this ship around but they’ve done it before. Maybe farage to become leader, or maybe even the return of boris johnson, it’s not clear yet.