Graph demonstrating how women with access to better healthcare, education and career opportunities tend to have less children
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![[OC] Fertility rate vs UN Gender Inequality Index](https://www.byteseu.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/h8aa5pzac52f1-1536x915.jpeg "[OC] Fertility rate vs UN Gender Inequality Index")
Graph demonstrating how women with access to better healthcare, education and career opportunities tend to have less children
Posted by buubrit
33 Comments
What was the method for choosing which countries were included? Seems like a bit of a grab-bag.
Sources:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_fertility_rate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index
Old graph with all available countries with a similar trend.
https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/mxc9GM4byL
why the arbitrary picks of countries? to make your curve fit better?
This and more spurious correlations
[https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations](https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations)
I need to ask, is lack of access to healthcare a contributing factor for the “inequality?” That seems like the main driver.
Because rape makes babies.
Seems a pretty obvious case of correlation rather than causality.
Developed nations have less gender inequality. Developed nations have fewer kids.
If you think this is causation, let me tell you about how ice cream consumption causes drownings and hot chocolate consumption decreases crime rates…
Reddit hates inconvenient science
When a nation develops, typically gender equality rises. Additionally as education and quality of life rises, the question of raising kids becomes “can we afford to” and typically the answer is “no” which drives down fertility rates.
Now overlay infant and maternal mortality!
Fertility rate to maintain stable population is 2.1-2.2. If this graph is used as a guide, we should aim for GII of 0.5. This however is dangerous as the fertility spike at 0.55 means doubling the population. From a minor 0.05 backslide. From 0 to 0.4 we have a plateau, that is sustainable in the medium term but guarantees long term population decline.
0 should be the goal. For ethical reasons and to reduce the risk of overpopulation. Migration, societal changes and short periods of GII backsliding solve the long term problem.
Seems like the GII is a weird Index given that South Korea is ahead of the United States.
Interesting how it seems to be basically flat and then explodes after passing 0.5
Did you check any confounders?
South Korea leading in gender equality? Better than ~~Denmark~~ Germany?
Is there a reason you used gender equality instead of income levels or child survival rates?
You seem to be implying causation with this graph, but in reality, the countries with high birth rates have a low quality of life for a lot of reasons, which can all contribute to high birth rate (like high infant mortality rate, for example).
I’m so bored of this exact same data.
This is the third time this has been posted and we’re going to get the same stupid interpretations as last time because GII is a weird basket of factors.
Last time I downloaded the data amd did my own analysis looking at correlations including against the factors that make up GII. I found GII correlated only when >0.5 and the majority of that correlation was because of teenage fertility being included. Unsurprisingly teenage fertility correlates with fertility.
When looking only at the developed nations as defined by the UN there was no correlation.
Went and looked up the rankings for the GII. In what universe are the UAE, China, Kazakhstan, and Qatar ranked higher than the US? Marital rape isn’t a crime in the UAE and women still need permission from a male guardian to work or travel in Qatar. It honestly makes the whole system suspect.
That confirms it, women participating in the labor force and going to college is indeed detrimental to the survival of humanity.
yeah, you definitely should find something else to do.
South Korea is so utterly fucked.
Fertility rate or birth rate?
Cause sperm count and such would be fertility, and that is higher in welfare states than in other states due to better access to healthy foods and healthcare, so I fail to see the accuraccy of this if it is not birthrate.
Brazil seems kind of low on the graph
Somalia, Niger, Nigeria, Afghanistan Chad all are Islamic majority countries. That brings a good point that comparison should be done with the Fertility rate and Islamic and non-Islamic countries. We may find some statistical anomalies in both groups, but it will reveal what’s happening.
Is that fresh data? Both Germany and Norway are below 1.5 and they look above here.
Gender inequality index includes women participation in the work force. People who have kids are probably more likely to have a stay at home mom.
A culture that prevents women who want to work from working is appropriately included as being inequality.
A situation where a woman wants to be a stay at home mom is also included as being inequality. I think there are flaws with how the inequality index is calculated, but also don’t know that there is a better way of calculating it.
So yes there is a correlation between the two factors but I think it gives the wrong interpretation.
Developed countries have lower fertility because 2/2 children survive. Instead of only 2/8 surviving.
Guys, I think I found a solution to Japan and China’s dwindling birth rates. Just hear me out…
/s
you could also just use HDI
??????? South Korea is seen as gender equal? Have you BEEN to South Korea? Part of the reason fertility in South Korea is so low is a sociocultural movement *in response* to the excessive sexism
We need to find a new normal.
Women as slaves to men clearly is repugnant and barbaric.
Women as independent, need-no-man individuals in the world having complete control over reproduction while having zero desire to keep their host nations populated is also unsustainable and leading to the current crises in immigration because no tax payers can be bred locally in advanced countries.
We need a new, more middling, normal.
South Korea? A place where women are on a sex and dating strike because of all the abuse, murder, and upskirt photos and hidden cameras??? How is it more equal than the US?
Seems an extremely weird way of looking at this. Maybe you’re not but this seems like a wink wink nudge nudge we should take away women’s rights post.
Little freaks with pregnancy and creampie fetishes arguing against women’s rights to raise the teenage pregnancy rate so that billionaires can enjoy a 3% gdp growth.
When nations get wealthy and developed, the COL is higher so you have fewer kids but those kids get an education and have healthcare so they are way less likely to die and mothers are way less likely to die in childbirth. You invest more in the front end of life and then ppl earn more and for longer bc they are healthier. Would love to see the graph of infant and maternal mortality rates against GII. Pro-lifers (anti-choice natalists) make dead babies and dead mothers.