Nottingham attacks: Judges reject appeal over triple killer’s sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68975895
Posted by Densitys_Child
Nottingham attacks: Judges reject appeal over triple killer’s sentence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-68975895
Posted by Densitys_Child
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Probably the right decision, prison isn’t this massive punishment people think it is imo if anything it’s an easier route.
Would have been very odd to come to any other conclusion if you think about it objectively.
It’s amazing how it doesn’t say anywhere in that article or the previous article it links to, how long an indefinite hospital order is supposed to last.
Anyone familiar with international justice systems knows the terminology of “life sentence” is just an arbitary figure summised from national cultural ideals but what’s the average length of an indefinite hospital order?
This is hardly surprising. An indefinite hospital order is functionally a life sentence anyway, especially for something like this, and is arguably worse than a prison sentence for various reasons. If he is ever released I would be incredibly surprised.
Liquid cosh morning ,noon and night for the rest of his life isn’t going to be much fun
Why did the victims’ families prosecute this appeal? The evidence is incredibly clear that the man is not mentally capable and he will be held in a secure hospital for the rest of his life.
What would the result of overturning the sentence be, other than inflicting cruelty?
Multiple psychiatrists on multiple occasions concluded he was insane. That doesn’t mean you can’t be jailed for life but by definition, murder has to have a degree of premeditation and the person doing it has to be sane. The appeal was never going to succeed and if the relatives believed a murder conviction was ever possible they’ve been badly advised.
People can have mental issues and they need treatment. Nonetheless, it isn’t an excuse to take the life of a fellow human being. Why should another person and their family suffer because of someone else’s mental condition? It’s very disheartening to see how little attention is paid towards undiagnosed mental health issues in the general public. Someone has to take the bull by the horns and put an end to these unfortunate, terrible incidents. Regarding the sentence, he got what he deserved; that will never get back the lives of those victims. Why is the world becoming such a terrible place ?
Reminds me of a quote from a person who ran Broadmoor hospital (I think it’s on Wikipedia). Goes something like “if a person commits crimes because they’re sick, surely we should try to treat that in a hospital not a prison”.
A secure hospital seems the most sensible place even if it doesn’t “feel” as bad for the victims families.
“Despite the fact that the attorney general herself feels that Valdo Calocane did not receive the appropriate sentence, today’s outcome proves how utterly flawed and under-resourced the criminal justice system in the UK is,”
So do i trust the judgment of a Court of Appeal judge or a tory politican more? Let me ponder that one.
The mum can stfu tbh she’s an advocate for governments to do as they please, lock up who they want, as long as they want.
I think this is probably fair, the main takeaway should have been why was a man who was very clearly mentally ill to the point of being dangerous to others allowed to roam unsupervised despite multiple previous incidents.
He should have been sectioned but our mental health services in this country are just non existent unless you pay for it, a government failing that led to the death of 3 others.
I understand the families feelings, but they are unfortunately wrong.
The court is never going to decide that he is insane, but oh, go on, he can do some time in a secure mental institution and some in a normal jail, just because…. It isn’t ever going to work like that.
And I absolutely don’t think he is ever getting out. It is effectively a life sentence.
Whilst I kind of see where the families are coming from, they’re arguing a technicality.
Practically, an indefinite hospital order is worse than a life sentence. Secure hospitals are prisons in basically every way, and the judge stated at sentencing that the killer would very likely die in prison. If he is ever to be released, the Home Secretary would have to personally sign it off.
So what do the families want? To call it murder, but then possibly end up with a lighter sentence? Or the trial collapsing?