Firefighters threaten strikes in 10 Reform council areas in pensions row
Firefighters threaten strikes in 10 Reform council areas in pensions row
Posted by F0urLeafCl0ver
Firefighters threaten strikes in 10 Reform council areas in pensions row
Firefighters threaten strikes in 10 Reform council areas in pensions row
Posted by F0urLeafCl0ver
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It’s pretty sad that we as a country are falling for Reform’s schtick when we’ve seen what Truss and Thatcher did to the country with policies more moderate than Reform.
Reform picking a fight with fire fighters… It’s a bold move cotten.
“the final salary pension schemes that firefighters have already paid into”
Im not familiar with Firefighter pensions – is their pension final salary (defined benefit) and is it paid into?
The assumption is that it’s similar to the HM forces one and currently subject to the McCloud judgement, but you never really hear anything about these specific pensions like one would with NHS etc.
> “But by managing the pensions schemes better to produce higher returns than the current woeful returns, as well as paying lower management fees to the City, we can save substantial sums for the council taxpayer
But are we going to be able to put fires out when no one wants to be a fire fighter?
>“Now Richard Tice says that councils run by Reform UK intend to cut the final salary pension schemes that firefighters have already paid into.
Not to be “that guy”, but the union appears to be misrepresenting how these pensions are paid.
Current pension recipients have their pension paid for by current employees. They don’t “pay into” anything beyond paying for someone else’s pension. So in this instance, Reform wouldn’t be taking away something they’ve already paid for, but rather decreasing the pension to save money going forward.
Whether that is right or wrong is something I can’t answer as I’m not a public sector employee. That is for them to decide through things like industrial action if required, but I thought I’d make that distinction.
This appears to be linked the overarching policy decision on public sector pensions.
Personally, I think there are undoubtedly better avenues of attack before we get to pensions. I’m sure there’s some local businessman who has been getting backhanders from councillors over the years that can be cut off first.
I didn’t realize the fire brigade was on the local government pensions agreement, that’s interesting. I wonder how many other organisations Tice wound up with his mouthing off.
The left will do whatever they can to make sure Reform fail, don’t let them win
> Richard Tice last week said the 10 councils Reform UK now controls would reduce the generosity of pensions for recruits and give existing staff lower pay rises to cover the cost of funding their retirement
Now the second part of that relating to pay might be possible, but has nobody (journalists, unions, etc.) looked at the law relating to local government pensions?
That law is The Local Government Pension Scheme Regulations 2013 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/2356/part/1/chapter/2 and it makes clear that every local government employee can choose to be a member of that scheme.
So why isn’t anyone (journalists, unions, etc.) asking Tice how he will overcome that legislation.
Almost like Reform have no idea what they are doing
Who’d have guessed.
The party of populism doesn’t have a clue, when they actually have to do something with the reality of politics.
Firefighters took the UK government to court and won over the discrimination of 2015 pension reforms, reform are screwed. But it’s all a moot point as the councils have no independent authority to do any of this.
wtf is the news site? Won’t even let you click away after the “PLEASE PAY” pop up comes along.