So instead of addressing the underlying issue we should just stop reporting on it?
MoffTanner on
If only people didn’t know about an ever growing number of illegal immigrants we wouldn’t have an issue and we could all relax in our liberal paradise of cheap deliveroos!
Reform are obviously capitalism very well on the issue and will increasingly gain political power over it…, if we want to avoid those morons getting that power we can’t just ignore the issue and pretend people are wrong to be concerned!
Would Brown have won if he hadn’t called the told bigot a bigot?
potpan0 on
Most people aren’t particularly politically conscious. Most people don’t pay all that much attention to politics.
So it’s not particularly surprising that when our newspapers begin systemically pumping out stories about a particular issue, and when our political class begin systemically pumping out soundbytes about a particular issue, that people will start to echo those arguments and insist that this issue is important and *something needs to be done about it*.
Our billionaire-owned press and billionaire-owned political parties would rather we get angry at today’s scapegoat than get angry about the real causes of economic decline in Britain.
> The University of Warwick paper notes previous studies showing that public perceptions of immigration levels are often exaggerated and “only weakly correlated” with actual migration statistics. “These misperceptions are shaped more by media framing, political discourse, and symbolic cues than by local migration levels or hard facts,” they write.
That’s the most important part really. Most people aren’t responding to *actual* experiences. They’re responding to what newspapers and social media spaces *tell* them to think.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
They’ve intentionally neglected the exponential rise in legal migration over the past decade.
Perhaps instead of patronising voters or reducing them to simplistic left-versus-right labels, we should take the time to listen, understand their perspectives, and respond to their genuine concerns with empathy and respect.
The country has shown a clear desire to reduce mass immigration, so let’s deal with the problem constructively.
Potential_Wish4943 on
I love the framing.
Its not “Bad thing happens” its “Bad people notice thing happening”. Or worse yet “Bad thing being seized on by bad people as an issue and using that for political power”.
Its like the Norm Macdonald joke: “Imagine if isis got a nuclear weapon and used it to murder tens of millions of people. The islamophobia that would result would be horrific”
dingo_deano on
And also my high street is full of barbers with young men sitting outside on the path ,a vape shop which sells to school kids and the owner parks his 100k Mercedes GL wagon on the path , a car wash that has rotating staff every few months and none of them live in our town
RoyaleWCheese_OK on
Dumb article (yes.. i read it). Lets make sure there’s a clear difference between legal and illegal immigration. People generally support LEGAL but regardless of the volume of reporting don’t really change their mind about ILLEGAL immigration. That’s not a UK thing, that’s most countries. For far too long previous government leaders just opened the gates and let anyone and everyone in. What their thinking was is up for debate, what’s not debatable is its been a disaster. What failing to address this is causing is the rise of these far right parties. They’re gaining more and more power and if they get a big majority on this wedge issue, wild shit is going to happen.
Hot_Bluejay_1094 on
How many migrants are there in the UK as a % of the total population? No one knows. No one knows what the population of the UK is or where they all are. If any government was serious about the subject they would insist on ID cards and registration of everyone where they lived.
Longjumping_Stand889 on
I’m not entirely convinced that if the media reported the small boat crisis differently we would be welcoming them with open arms. I expect the rise in concern about immigration has a lot to do with the rise in immigration too. Media bias no doubt has some effect but I think lot of people overplay it.
IllustratorScared949 on
Reading the horrific rape ordeals of the children in my town has certainly had an influence and yes,I trust very few now.
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Weird-Statistician on
You can’t really have positive headlines about small boat crossings
Evening-Disaster-901 on
It’s not the boat men mass suppressing wages though, is it?
Annual_History_796 on
How exactly would you spin it positively and why would it stop me thinking it’s a bad thing?
Cpt_TomMoores_jacuzi on
“How the constant influx of undocumented migrants that are costing the uk 8 million pounds a day, and the massive influx of immigrants from incompatible cultures that are destroying social cohesion are turning brits against migrants”
There, fixed it…
Pocketfulofgeek on
Your future Reform government has already been chosen for you.
Pash444 on
Ahhhhhh so it’s the media, not peoples own experiences??? Got ya
Astriania on
I’m not convinced, this looks like a classic case of correlation not implying causation.
We have two related but different problems at the moment: illegal immigration (especially via small boats), and immigration in general. People are more negative about immigration overall because immigration levels are way too high, not just because the Daily Mail posts an article a day about the small boats.
“Only 2% of immigrants come in this way” is just another way of saying “immigration as a whole is extremely high”. People don’t like either of those things.
JaMs_buzz on
If house prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
If food prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
If energy prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
I’m not saying that immigration isn’t an issue, or that is hasn’t affected some people in society negatively, I just think we all need to work together to combat the real issue with society, inequality
weeklybeatings on
I’m no expert here – but I think the raping of children, increased criminality, and incompatibility with our own culture and society might also be playing some part in that too?
BugPsychological4836 on
yes lets have less honest reporting and more gaslighting
Glad_Macaroon_9477 on
It’s not against the migrants per say, it’s the whole idea of a multi cultural society that’s breaking down. Downvote away!
Hack_Shuck on
Perhaps I’m naive but I have never believed that people, apart from the 5% of us with turds instead of brains, are particularly swayed by sensationalist headlines in the shit newspapers for thickos
Veritanium on
Of course people don’t have a problem with hordes of unknown young men breaking into their country and being awarded taxpayer money as a reward, it’s all le evil media mind controlling them!
horagino on
“small boat crossings” a.k.a being illegally smuggled into the country without any form of identification other than your ‘honest’ word. What could possibly be positive about that?
fitzgoldy on
So ignore it and bury heads in sand and allow the problem to get worse?
Legitimate_Lie_8120 on
Don’t forget Datchet!
Live mile away from there, stories & experiences there are not good.
Destroyed the a lovely village!
Local school girls are afraid & locals are extremely unhappy.
Don’t forget, I’ve toned down my language.
I could say alot worse but for the sensitivities of people who would consider me a racist for stating the facts.
Visit Datchet & find out yourselves.
First generation immigrant myself.
BroodLord1962 on
I don’t care if it’s immigrants or people having more kids, the country is over-populated
Technical-Currency71 on
Stop reading the red tops or were not going to have any brain cells left.
Efficient_Sky5173 on
Even the BBC. Look a the top post now. Race hate on an immigrant. Yes, he is a monster, but so are the several proper British monsters committing similar crimes just this week and not mentioned by the BBC.
It won’t stop until judges apply the Racism Act to journalists.
billyboylondon on
2% foreign men who dont care about the island there coming too
Lostman07 on
The point this article is trying to make is that , yes the boat people are a problem. They are unwanted and every body want them out. Even the actual migrants. But the disproportionate coverage of the boat people are turning the public against the regular migrants that don’t cause problems and do regular jobs and don’t have access to benefits.
ash_ninetyone on
Pointed this out in the Telegraph post the other day:
> Tbh for public attitudes and anger, nuancing them to “oh it’s a very specific group from a very specific region of Pakistan” isn’t gonna matter.
>
> They’ll still lynch everyone just the same if they could.
Scared-Client7267 on
That’s right. Even migrants who do jobs we won’t even get out of bed to do. Is this a bit like the period 1933-1939 in Europe?
jonnieggg on
Will the current geopolitical chaos impact this situation in any way.
NagromNitsuj on
What do the migrants think about the illegal migrants?
Mundane-Pen-7105 on
People don’t need the media to have veiws. They see with their own eyes every single day. Towns and communities being wiped out.
tawdryspindle on
Look around, even in a coastal country town and see how many non British people you see today, compared to 20 years ago. Now imagine it in 20 years time, and 20 years after that. Stop telling us immigration isn’t a problem and we should just shut up and take it.
GreatBritishHedgehog on
For years people could ignore it, but now the numbers have grown, more and more people have noticed illegal boat migrants hanging around town centres
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So instead of addressing the underlying issue we should just stop reporting on it?
If only people didn’t know about an ever growing number of illegal immigrants we wouldn’t have an issue and we could all relax in our liberal paradise of cheap deliveroos!
Reform are obviously capitalism very well on the issue and will increasingly gain political power over it…, if we want to avoid those morons getting that power we can’t just ignore the issue and pretend people are wrong to be concerned!
Would Brown have won if he hadn’t called the told bigot a bigot?
Most people aren’t particularly politically conscious. Most people don’t pay all that much attention to politics.
So it’s not particularly surprising that when our newspapers begin systemically pumping out stories about a particular issue, and when our political class begin systemically pumping out soundbytes about a particular issue, that people will start to echo those arguments and insist that this issue is important and *something needs to be done about it*.
Our billionaire-owned press and billionaire-owned political parties would rather we get angry at today’s scapegoat than get angry about the real causes of economic decline in Britain.
> The University of Warwick paper notes previous studies showing that public perceptions of immigration levels are often exaggerated and “only weakly correlated” with actual migration statistics. “These misperceptions are shaped more by media framing, political discourse, and symbolic cues than by local migration levels or hard facts,” they write.
That’s the most important part really. Most people aren’t responding to *actual* experiences. They’re responding to what newspapers and social media spaces *tell* them to think.
They’ve intentionally neglected the exponential rise in legal migration over the past decade.
Perhaps instead of patronising voters or reducing them to simplistic left-versus-right labels, we should take the time to listen, understand their perspectives, and respond to their genuine concerns with empathy and respect.
The country has shown a clear desire to reduce mass immigration, so let’s deal with the problem constructively.
I love the framing.
Its not “Bad thing happens” its “Bad people notice thing happening”. Or worse yet “Bad thing being seized on by bad people as an issue and using that for political power”.
Its like the Norm Macdonald joke: “Imagine if isis got a nuclear weapon and used it to murder tens of millions of people. The islamophobia that would result would be horrific”
And also my high street is full of barbers with young men sitting outside on the path ,a vape shop which sells to school kids and the owner parks his 100k Mercedes GL wagon on the path , a car wash that has rotating staff every few months and none of them live in our town
Dumb article (yes.. i read it). Lets make sure there’s a clear difference between legal and illegal immigration. People generally support LEGAL but regardless of the volume of reporting don’t really change their mind about ILLEGAL immigration. That’s not a UK thing, that’s most countries. For far too long previous government leaders just opened the gates and let anyone and everyone in. What their thinking was is up for debate, what’s not debatable is its been a disaster. What failing to address this is causing is the rise of these far right parties. They’re gaining more and more power and if they get a big majority on this wedge issue, wild shit is going to happen.
How many migrants are there in the UK as a % of the total population? No one knows. No one knows what the population of the UK is or where they all are. If any government was serious about the subject they would insist on ID cards and registration of everyone where they lived.
I’m not entirely convinced that if the media reported the small boat crisis differently we would be welcoming them with open arms. I expect the rise in concern about immigration has a lot to do with the rise in immigration too. Media bias no doubt has some effect but I think lot of people overplay it.
Reading the horrific rape ordeals of the children in my town has certainly had an influence and yes,I trust very few now.
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You can’t really have positive headlines about small boat crossings
It’s not the boat men mass suppressing wages though, is it?
How exactly would you spin it positively and why would it stop me thinking it’s a bad thing?
“How the constant influx of undocumented migrants that are costing the uk 8 million pounds a day, and the massive influx of immigrants from incompatible cultures that are destroying social cohesion are turning brits against migrants”
There, fixed it…
Your future Reform government has already been chosen for you.
Ahhhhhh so it’s the media, not peoples own experiences??? Got ya
I’m not convinced, this looks like a classic case of correlation not implying causation.
We have two related but different problems at the moment: illegal immigration (especially via small boats), and immigration in general. People are more negative about immigration overall because immigration levels are way too high, not just because the Daily Mail posts an article a day about the small boats.
“Only 2% of immigrants come in this way” is just another way of saying “immigration as a whole is extremely high”. People don’t like either of those things.
If house prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
If food prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
If energy prices go up, that is bad for you AND the immigrant next to you.
I’m not saying that immigration isn’t an issue, or that is hasn’t affected some people in society negatively, I just think we all need to work together to combat the real issue with society, inequality
I’m no expert here – but I think the raping of children, increased criminality, and incompatibility with our own culture and society might also be playing some part in that too?
yes lets have less honest reporting and more gaslighting
It’s not against the migrants per say, it’s the whole idea of a multi cultural society that’s breaking down. Downvote away!
Perhaps I’m naive but I have never believed that people, apart from the 5% of us with turds instead of brains, are particularly swayed by sensationalist headlines in the shit newspapers for thickos
Of course people don’t have a problem with hordes of unknown young men breaking into their country and being awarded taxpayer money as a reward, it’s all le evil media mind controlling them!
“small boat crossings” a.k.a being illegally smuggled into the country without any form of identification other than your ‘honest’ word. What could possibly be positive about that?
So ignore it and bury heads in sand and allow the problem to get worse?
Don’t forget Datchet!
Live mile away from there, stories & experiences there are not good.
Destroyed the a lovely village!
Local school girls are afraid & locals are extremely unhappy.
Don’t forget, I’ve toned down my language.
I could say alot worse but for the sensitivities of people who would consider me a racist for stating the facts.
Visit Datchet & find out yourselves.
First generation immigrant myself.
I don’t care if it’s immigrants or people having more kids, the country is over-populated
Stop reading the red tops or were not going to have any brain cells left.
Even the BBC. Look a the top post now. Race hate on an immigrant. Yes, he is a monster, but so are the several proper British monsters committing similar crimes just this week and not mentioned by the BBC.
It won’t stop until judges apply the Racism Act to journalists.
2% foreign men who dont care about the island there coming too
The point this article is trying to make is that , yes the boat people are a problem. They are unwanted and every body want them out. Even the actual migrants. But the disproportionate coverage of the boat people are turning the public against the regular migrants that don’t cause problems and do regular jobs and don’t have access to benefits.
Pointed this out in the Telegraph post the other day:
> Tbh for public attitudes and anger, nuancing them to “oh it’s a very specific group from a very specific region of Pakistan” isn’t gonna matter.
>
> They’ll still lynch everyone just the same if they could.
That’s right. Even migrants who do jobs we won’t even get out of bed to do. Is this a bit like the period 1933-1939 in Europe?
Will the current geopolitical chaos impact this situation in any way.
What do the migrants think about the illegal migrants?
People don’t need the media to have veiws. They see with their own eyes every single day. Towns and communities being wiped out.
Look around, even in a coastal country town and see how many non British people you see today, compared to 20 years ago. Now imagine it in 20 years time, and 20 years after that. Stop telling us immigration isn’t a problem and we should just shut up and take it.
For years people could ignore it, but now the numbers have grown, more and more people have noticed illegal boat migrants hanging around town centres