I think some people are more comfortable in communicating their racism; coupled with people being more aware of what racism is (so the casual racist that is ignorant of their actions *being* racist, are now being told and therefore more aware of their racism).
bright-banksia on
We did not need a survey for that.
Space-ace1 on
Probably one of things , the more u bash the narrative the more ppl reject just saying.
Boganpants on
I vote yes to that.
Rolf_Loudly on
Racists are increasingly emboldened. There’s the obvious social media pundits but I think the voice referendum was the main culprit in Australia. It gave voice to some of the foulest people who would otherwise have remained under their rocks
CrankyGrumpyWombat on
And what is the limitations, framing, definition of racism and experience of racism and such?
Regardless of how passionate you are about this issue, there is so much room for bias and misinterpretation of data in social research and the fact that the media conveniently left them out isn’t helping anyone.
Give_it_a_Bash on
Yeah there’s a lot of things that have happened… I suspect ‘sexual harrasment’ ‘antisocial behaviour’ etc has also gone up in the same time… because people are in general talking (and doing) more shit… just absolute constant streams of shit.
No filter, no manners, no shame.
That’s what social media has done… give losers a louder voice and a bigger audience.
redditalloverasia on
Social media is the cause of a rise in all kinds of hatred. Before, the nutters didn’t speak up much because they were generally outnumbered in a social setting.
Now they’ll speak up brazenly because they found their niche of other nutters online that give them the confidence to publicly display their ignorance and stupidity.
Niwaniwaniwatoriniwa on
Sad. Wish they received more respect.
TemporaryDisastrous on
An Aboriginal woman called me porridge at the train station as we walked past each other. Didn’t realise I’d been racially vilified until a bit later.
jojoblogs on
My take is that for the first half of the 21st century so far there was a big push for political correctness. It became basically mandatory to pretend certain issues didn’t exist instead of understanding *why* certain issues exist.
So you get a generation of people that have been told certain things, then they get exposed to reality and don’t have any understanding of why things are the way they are, they just know that they’ve been lied to. They then assume that if they’ve been lied to about some things concerning certain people, they’ve probably been lied to about all things about all people, and start believing *all* the stereotypes and criticisms against them without basis.
Basically, if someone tells you the sky is red and the ocean is blue, then you go outside for the first time and see the sky, you might start severely doubting the ocean is blue.
Can’t have had anything to do with those white MoFo’s in the Coalition, could it?
Devilshandle-84 on
My children come home upset because they can’t play with their indigenous friends because at lunch time they have a segregated area.
This area is created to give indigenous kids access to milkshakes, games tables etc. more than non indigenous kids. No other races are allowed in this area.
The idea is noble.
The execution is creating separation, institutionalising racial differences and causing frustration in our young people.
Yung_Jose_Space on
There has been a concerted and well funded effort to promote racism and extreme views online.
It has also become a highly popular tool for culture war electioneering in the major press. And sadly our national broadcaster still gives both politicians and pundits pedalling hate or dogwhistling the time of day, as if race baiting or “crime” scares, promoting hideous views on indigenous rights etc. are legitimate PoVs that deserve to be aired, often uncritically or with little pushback, as part of the public “debate”.
One thing for Sky News with it’s miniscule viewership to fan the flames, and another entirely when Q&A (RIP), or Insiders and so on, sit these freaks down like they are legitimate pundits because that’s somehow balance?
Edit: interesting this post is getting buried with downvotes? It’s hardly contraversial to suggest that well funded and racist campaigning has been used as an electoral tool and headline grabber.
NewPCtoCelebrate on
>Experiences of racism included verbal abuse, social media abuse, being refused entry or service, being prevented from renting a property, and physical violence,
I’m curious how the increased use of social media contributed to this survey? Far less people used social media in 2015 and they used it less on average. The media rhetoric around the referendum didn’t help.
I’ve lived in communities with a large indigenous population the majority of my life. I’m indigenous by birth, though not really culturally. My school was over 70% indigenous. Racism has improved. You wouldn’t believe the shit that used to happen and how common it was. Sensitivity around racism has also changed dramatically. Behaviour that gets labled as racism now didn’t used to. The changing definition is even highlighted in the article:
>”I think probably people are more likely to report those experiences, and people have a greater understanding of what it is,” she said.
If you really think that it’s gotten worse, you either were too young in 2015 to remember what it was like or you’re kidding yourself. If you’re into AFL, look at the treatment of Adam Goodes barely over a decade ago and compare that to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan in 2023. I only need to look to my own family to see the changes in our society. My grandmother told people she “was part Greek” because it was easier being a tanned white person than a lighter skinned Aboriginal. My mother spent many years denying we were indigenous, than a decade silent on the matter, and in the past five years will acknowledge it.
Mongeeya on
You could have asked any Aboriginal person this, we all knew it would be a direct result of the referendum. The amount of racist white Australians I constantly read saying ‘we voted no to this’ about ANYTHING remotely Blak related is disgusting and completely unsurprising. As an Aboriginal man born in the 90’s, I grew up with an insane amount of racism in my life, nothing like my mum and dad experienced though as they were literal slaves. From mid 2000 – 2020 it seemed like the country genuinely wanted to make reconciliation and then the referendum came about and everything has taken massive paces backwards. Most of us are used to it by now but I genuinely feel that we have more allies who are white Australian, recent arrivals to the country and CALD, therefore more people are SEEING what has always been happening to us and are appalled and trying to formalise their sightings which is a good thing for us but in general, we’re tired and tend not to believe that any meaningful change will come from studies such as this.
Daleabbo on
This is useless data. There is nothing on other races. Is it that there is more racism against indigenous people or just more racism in general?
AuroraInJapan on
Tbh I think you’ve got to be pretty oblivious to *not* notice this yourself.
Illustrious-Lemon482 on
People have become shitter over the past decade generally.
Declining living standards is correlated to this. People becoming poorer and relatively aware of it makes them meaner is probably the takeaway.
whatsupskip on
The shame is, I think people are taking out on the indigenous community their frustration with the welcome to country/acknowledgement of country, aboriginal names for everything bullshit.
all driven by white SJWs. half my family and many of my mates are FN and NONE of them give a flying fuck about that shit. They only want to be given the same treatment as a white fella.
Ordinary-Emu-9759 on
Very sad.
uknownix on
Meh… The level of racism was always there, people are just more willing to say what they believe.
KermitTheGodFrog on
Honestly, the headline feels a bit misleading. Yes, the Barometer shows more Indigenous people reporting racism than in 2014, but there is no deep dive into regional data, definitions, or how much of that reflects increased awareness rather than a genuine spike in hostility.
We are told racism is getting worse, but the same report also shows that most Australians support reconciliation, respect Indigenous cultures, and believe in equity. That does not sound like a nation sliding backwards.
I am also cautious about these constant calls for national anti acism frameworks and oversight bodies. Every time something like this gets rolled out, it ends up being bloated, politicised, and used to silence people rather than solve anything. We already have the Race Discrimination Act. Enforce it properly and focus on practical, local solutions.
Community-driven programmes, cultural education in schools, and supporting RAPworkplaces are already showing results. That is where the effort should go, not another taxpayer-funded taskforce that will probably end up preaching to the converted.
cynicalbagger on
People are beginning to resent the amount of cash that seems to go nowhere and do nothing to help while their taxes go up up up and things get more and more expensive.
Human nature to want to blame some one or a group for that
MadDoctorMabuse on
I wish I knew how they came to that conclusion! Was it a survey sent to Indigenous people? Or are they comparing a survey sent now, with one sent 10 years ago? Or is it tracked based on complaints?
I just do not believe that racism is worse against Indigenous people now than 10 years ago. Racist jokes and comments are completely socially unacceptable now – it’s not even a matter of ‘where is the line’. Old people used to make jokes but they’ve thinned out over the last 10 years. I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard someone make a distasteful comment about indigenous people.
It completely goes against what I have seen, and I work pretty closely with the Indigenous community. I know me saying this is anecdotal, but it would help if I could follow Reconciliation Australia’s methodology.
Have you personally noticed an increase in racism against indigenous people? Overheard conversations at the pub, heard exchanges between people on the street, etc? And if so, are there *more now* than there was 10 years ago? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it definitely happens less than it did 10 years ago.
Edit: the reason I think this is important is because in the last 10 years, we have tried new things with indigenous relations. Welcome to country, representation in the media, inclusivity – if racism has gone up despite that, then geez. Are we supposed to scale those things back?
weightyboy on
When you give 30 billion dollars every year with no spend oversighy to 3.8% of the population, some people are are going to question not only the wisdom of the decision but where in holy shit 30 grand per year per person is going.
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I think some people are more comfortable in communicating their racism; coupled with people being more aware of what racism is (so the casual racist that is ignorant of their actions *being* racist, are now being told and therefore more aware of their racism).
We did not need a survey for that.
Probably one of things , the more u bash the narrative the more ppl reject just saying.
I vote yes to that.
Racists are increasingly emboldened. There’s the obvious social media pundits but I think the voice referendum was the main culprit in Australia. It gave voice to some of the foulest people who would otherwise have remained under their rocks
And what is the limitations, framing, definition of racism and experience of racism and such?
Regardless of how passionate you are about this issue, there is so much room for bias and misinterpretation of data in social research and the fact that the media conveniently left them out isn’t helping anyone.
Yeah there’s a lot of things that have happened… I suspect ‘sexual harrasment’ ‘antisocial behaviour’ etc has also gone up in the same time… because people are in general talking (and doing) more shit… just absolute constant streams of shit.
No filter, no manners, no shame.
That’s what social media has done… give losers a louder voice and a bigger audience.
Social media is the cause of a rise in all kinds of hatred. Before, the nutters didn’t speak up much because they were generally outnumbered in a social setting.
Now they’ll speak up brazenly because they found their niche of other nutters online that give them the confidence to publicly display their ignorance and stupidity.
Sad. Wish they received more respect.
An Aboriginal woman called me porridge at the train station as we walked past each other. Didn’t realise I’d been racially vilified until a bit later.
My take is that for the first half of the 21st century so far there was a big push for political correctness. It became basically mandatory to pretend certain issues didn’t exist instead of understanding *why* certain issues exist.
So you get a generation of people that have been told certain things, then they get exposed to reality and don’t have any understanding of why things are the way they are, they just know that they’ve been lied to. They then assume that if they’ve been lied to about some things concerning certain people, they’ve probably been lied to about all things about all people, and start believing *all* the stereotypes and criticisms against them without basis.
Basically, if someone tells you the sky is red and the ocean is blue, then you go outside for the first time and see the sky, you might start severely doubting the ocean is blue.
[well I thought it was obvious ](https://youtu.be/q34WPUa8ZBQ?si=llX6A4tGywK3kVw9)
Thanks News Corp. Bunch of pricks.
Can’t have had anything to do with those white MoFo’s in the Coalition, could it?
My children come home upset because they can’t play with their indigenous friends because at lunch time they have a segregated area.
This area is created to give indigenous kids access to milkshakes, games tables etc. more than non indigenous kids. No other races are allowed in this area.
The idea is noble.
The execution is creating separation, institutionalising racial differences and causing frustration in our young people.
There has been a concerted and well funded effort to promote racism and extreme views online.
It has also become a highly popular tool for culture war electioneering in the major press. And sadly our national broadcaster still gives both politicians and pundits pedalling hate or dogwhistling the time of day, as if race baiting or “crime” scares, promoting hideous views on indigenous rights etc. are legitimate PoVs that deserve to be aired, often uncritically or with little pushback, as part of the public “debate”.
One thing for Sky News with it’s miniscule viewership to fan the flames, and another entirely when Q&A (RIP), or Insiders and so on, sit these freaks down like they are legitimate pundits because that’s somehow balance?
Edit: interesting this post is getting buried with downvotes? It’s hardly contraversial to suggest that well funded and racist campaigning has been used as an electoral tool and headline grabber.
>Experiences of racism included verbal abuse, social media abuse, being refused entry or service, being prevented from renting a property, and physical violence,
I’m curious how the increased use of social media contributed to this survey? Far less people used social media in 2015 and they used it less on average. The media rhetoric around the referendum didn’t help.
I’ve lived in communities with a large indigenous population the majority of my life. I’m indigenous by birth, though not really culturally. My school was over 70% indigenous. Racism has improved. You wouldn’t believe the shit that used to happen and how common it was. Sensitivity around racism has also changed dramatically. Behaviour that gets labled as racism now didn’t used to. The changing definition is even highlighted in the article:
>”I think probably people are more likely to report those experiences, and people have a greater understanding of what it is,” she said.
If you really think that it’s gotten worse, you either were too young in 2015 to remember what it was like or you’re kidding yourself. If you’re into AFL, look at the treatment of Adam Goodes barely over a decade ago and compare that to Jamarra Ugle-Hagan in 2023. I only need to look to my own family to see the changes in our society. My grandmother told people she “was part Greek” because it was easier being a tanned white person than a lighter skinned Aboriginal. My mother spent many years denying we were indigenous, than a decade silent on the matter, and in the past five years will acknowledge it.
You could have asked any Aboriginal person this, we all knew it would be a direct result of the referendum. The amount of racist white Australians I constantly read saying ‘we voted no to this’ about ANYTHING remotely Blak related is disgusting and completely unsurprising. As an Aboriginal man born in the 90’s, I grew up with an insane amount of racism in my life, nothing like my mum and dad experienced though as they were literal slaves. From mid 2000 – 2020 it seemed like the country genuinely wanted to make reconciliation and then the referendum came about and everything has taken massive paces backwards. Most of us are used to it by now but I genuinely feel that we have more allies who are white Australian, recent arrivals to the country and CALD, therefore more people are SEEING what has always been happening to us and are appalled and trying to formalise their sightings which is a good thing for us but in general, we’re tired and tend not to believe that any meaningful change will come from studies such as this.
This is useless data. There is nothing on other races. Is it that there is more racism against indigenous people or just more racism in general?
Tbh I think you’ve got to be pretty oblivious to *not* notice this yourself.
People have become shitter over the past decade generally.
Declining living standards is correlated to this. People becoming poorer and relatively aware of it makes them meaner is probably the takeaway.
The shame is, I think people are taking out on the indigenous community their frustration with the welcome to country/acknowledgement of country, aboriginal names for everything bullshit.
all driven by white SJWs. half my family and many of my mates are FN and NONE of them give a flying fuck about that shit. They only want to be given the same treatment as a white fella.
Very sad.
Meh… The level of racism was always there, people are just more willing to say what they believe.
Honestly, the headline feels a bit misleading. Yes, the Barometer shows more Indigenous people reporting racism than in 2014, but there is no deep dive into regional data, definitions, or how much of that reflects increased awareness rather than a genuine spike in hostility.
We are told racism is getting worse, but the same report also shows that most Australians support reconciliation, respect Indigenous cultures, and believe in equity. That does not sound like a nation sliding backwards.
I am also cautious about these constant calls for national anti acism frameworks and oversight bodies. Every time something like this gets rolled out, it ends up being bloated, politicised, and used to silence people rather than solve anything. We already have the Race Discrimination Act. Enforce it properly and focus on practical, local solutions.
Community-driven programmes, cultural education in schools, and supporting RAPworkplaces are already showing results. That is where the effort should go, not another taxpayer-funded taskforce that will probably end up preaching to the converted.
People are beginning to resent the amount of cash that seems to go nowhere and do nothing to help while their taxes go up up up and things get more and more expensive.
Human nature to want to blame some one or a group for that
I wish I knew how they came to that conclusion! Was it a survey sent to Indigenous people? Or are they comparing a survey sent now, with one sent 10 years ago? Or is it tracked based on complaints?
I just do not believe that racism is worse against Indigenous people now than 10 years ago. Racist jokes and comments are completely socially unacceptable now – it’s not even a matter of ‘where is the line’. Old people used to make jokes but they’ve thinned out over the last 10 years. I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard someone make a distasteful comment about indigenous people.
It completely goes against what I have seen, and I work pretty closely with the Indigenous community. I know me saying this is anecdotal, but it would help if I could follow Reconciliation Australia’s methodology.
Have you personally noticed an increase in racism against indigenous people? Overheard conversations at the pub, heard exchanges between people on the street, etc? And if so, are there *more now* than there was 10 years ago? I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it definitely happens less than it did 10 years ago.
Edit: the reason I think this is important is because in the last 10 years, we have tried new things with indigenous relations. Welcome to country, representation in the media, inclusivity – if racism has gone up despite that, then geez. Are we supposed to scale those things back?
When you give 30 billion dollars every year with no spend oversighy to 3.8% of the population, some people are are going to question not only the wisdom of the decision but where in holy shit 30 grand per year per person is going.
A rise from genocide? Oh please
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