There is a reason why ultra processed food is cheap. Its got a long stable shelf life, which removes problems with supply chains and logistics.
Its also cheaper to make a product when you can substitute things like honey with chemicals like sucralose.
pashbrufta on
Even the “healthy” stuff seems to be expensive pre packaged junk (proper corn wtf)
Could definitely get those costs down
TheLegendOfMart on
This is impossible. All the galaxy brains on reddit said just go buy the cheap food instead of expensive.
Cam2910 on
>four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.
This makes me feel like a bad parent. 4 portions just in lunch?
Francis-c92 on
“Unhealthy lunches for the research were made up of white bread with chocolate spread instead of wholemeal with cheese; flavoured yoghurt rather than a plain, unsweetened version; and snacks such as crisps as opposed to the four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.”
A cheese sandwich isn’t healthy?
Korinthe on
The first nursery we went our son to were utter Nazi’s on this.
He is autistic (which we knew about by this time but were still waiting for a diagnosis) and would only eat certain things, luckily when he was this age most of them were healthy – he is a teenager now and this is no longer the case…
Anyway, he used to love these organic “school bars” (if anyone remember those?) they were way better than normal school bars, not nearly as processed, basically fruit puree which is left to dry in the sun. We used to send him in with one of those along with a couple other forms of fruit, usually grapes and strawberries, and then the rest of a healthy lunch (no crisps, chocolate or Mr Kiplings style baked goods).
The nursery refused to let him eat them because it “wasn’t healthy enough”, even though:
1) It was the only “unhealthy” thing in his packed lunch
2) It was still a healthy food.
Apparently their policy forbade such an item *but they did allow boxes of raisins* as a “dried fruit” style option. Which oddly enough were massively more unhealthy than the fruit bars we were sending him in with!
I printed off 6 double sided sheets of food research showing how nutritionally crap raisins are compared to the organic low processed fruit bars we were sending him in with and they still wouldn’t budge.
There were other issues at this nursery where they were overstepping their authority and we ended up changing nursery within a couple months of starting there, but this part of the debacle always stuck with me for some reason.
Minute-Masterpiece98 on
I just feel sorry for the people who think any preprepared microwave meal in a box is healthy.
UuusernameWith4Us on
> Unhealthy lunches for the research were made up of white bread with chocolate spread instead of wholemeal with cheese; flavoured yoghurt rather than a plain, unsweetened version; and snacks such as crisps as opposed to the four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.
Well 4 portions of fruit and veg vs 1 packet of crisps isn’t a like-for-like comparison at all. What happens to the comparison if you do something more realistic like subbing in 1 banana for the crisps?
Oh and my work lunch today is homemade lentil soup. It doesn’t get much cheaper than that, and quite healthy too.
Flux_Aeternal on
Haha, go to the charity website and look at the photos. Look at the amount of cheese in the ‘healthy’ cheese sandwich, there’s almost an entire block! There must be well over 1000 calories in that ‘healthy’ packed lunch. Why do people do these ridiculous comparisons where it’s so obvious that they made strange choices to get the results that they want but then the press never mention it?
DWOL82 on
Most people don’t know what ‘Healthy’ means, and that includes Public Health England, NHS, Dietitian’s, and Nutritionists. Healthy food would be food that gives us vitality, and is a species appropriate, species specific diet. We are designed by positive and negative selection pressures to feed on animal fat and protein. Vegetables and fruit are not human food, they are not healthy.
The human body needs complete protein and fat, the form we need it comes from animals. For proper brain function we need EPA and DHA Omega 3, not ALA that comes from plants. We need Vitamin A in the animal form retinol, not the plan form carotene. There are 16 essential minerals and 13 essential vitamins. You will find everything you need in an animal based diet, in the correct form, in high quantities. Gram for gram, liver contains 4x the vitamin C of an apple, plus if you are eating an animal based diet carbohydrate intake will be extremely low, so Vitamin C won’t be competing with the glucose to get into the cell on the GLUT4 receptor so vitamin C requirement goes down considerably.
Feels most people are sick now, and it’s because we are not longer eating a species appropriate diet. Kids who cannot concentrate anymore because we put them on a sugar rollercoaster all day long with bread, cereal, grains, fruit instead of eggs fro breakfast in butter. All the ALA instead of EPA and DHA for their brains to form correctly.
Most can get away with some of this non food as a compliment, but not in the quantities and frequency we do now.
smellybarbiefeet on
Next time you’re in Tesco, I’m not sure if they’ve changed the labels since, mind, as this was nearly 7 years ago. Compare the branded tinned vegetables against the supermarkets own, the vitamin/mineral content in the supermarkets own brand is less nutritious. You’re getting screwed each and every way.
floweringcacti on
If they want cheaper healthier lunches they should provide fridges. Mostly I got shelf-stable stuff like crisps, dried fruit and chocolate for lunch because meat, yogurt and vegetables would have been minging by lunchtime. I know you can get ice packs and insulated lunchboxes but that’s more expensive stuff you have to buy and another thing you have to remember to do consistently (freeze the pack).
HoraceDerwent on
excuses excuses
Frozen fruit and veg is cheap, rice is cheap, chicken is cheap, tins of tuna are cheap, mince is cheap, tinned tomatoes are cheap, tinned beans are cheap
Slow cooking a big Stew or chilli is cheap.
WinCrazy751 on
It’s only more expensive because people charge that much……the government gets subsidised food, and alchol in parliament….most factories have subsidised cafeterias, the military and police get subsidised food….so why not schools…..or better yet, free…..stop the freebies for politicians like expenses and grace and favour houses, lower thier wages and spend more on schools…..
Purple_Woodpecker on
It doesn’t cost 45% more to make a healthy packed lunch than it does to make an unhealthy one. It just doesn’t. This is total bullshit. Ultra processed junkfood shite like Dairylea Lunchables and fruit rollups are FAR more expensive than healthier options.
Not as expensive as posh quinoa salad maybe, but who ever heard of a child eating posh quinoa salad for lunch at school, with fresh blueberries? Nobody ever heard of that because it doesn’t happen.
77GoldenTails on
I get it costs more.
Though does it really cost more to make an existing meal look appetising. I keep hearing from my kids their lunch looks like vomit and the staffs attitude is awful when challenged.
Blew-Peter on
Sandwich and banana. Have a proper meal when you get home.
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There is a reason why ultra processed food is cheap. Its got a long stable shelf life, which removes problems with supply chains and logistics.
Its also cheaper to make a product when you can substitute things like honey with chemicals like sucralose.
Even the “healthy” stuff seems to be expensive pre packaged junk (proper corn wtf)
Could definitely get those costs down
This is impossible. All the galaxy brains on reddit said just go buy the cheap food instead of expensive.
>four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.
This makes me feel like a bad parent. 4 portions just in lunch?
“Unhealthy lunches for the research were made up of white bread with chocolate spread instead of wholemeal with cheese; flavoured yoghurt rather than a plain, unsweetened version; and snacks such as crisps as opposed to the four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.”
A cheese sandwich isn’t healthy?
The first nursery we went our son to were utter Nazi’s on this.
He is autistic (which we knew about by this time but were still waiting for a diagnosis) and would only eat certain things, luckily when he was this age most of them were healthy – he is a teenager now and this is no longer the case…
Anyway, he used to love these organic “school bars” (if anyone remember those?) they were way better than normal school bars, not nearly as processed, basically fruit puree which is left to dry in the sun. We used to send him in with one of those along with a couple other forms of fruit, usually grapes and strawberries, and then the rest of a healthy lunch (no crisps, chocolate or Mr Kiplings style baked goods).
The nursery refused to let him eat them because it “wasn’t healthy enough”, even though:
1) It was the only “unhealthy” thing in his packed lunch
2) It was still a healthy food.
Apparently their policy forbade such an item *but they did allow boxes of raisins* as a “dried fruit” style option. Which oddly enough were massively more unhealthy than the fruit bars we were sending him in with!
I printed off 6 double sided sheets of food research showing how nutritionally crap raisins are compared to the organic low processed fruit bars we were sending him in with and they still wouldn’t budge.
There were other issues at this nursery where they were overstepping their authority and we ended up changing nursery within a couple months of starting there, but this part of the debacle always stuck with me for some reason.
I just feel sorry for the people who think any preprepared microwave meal in a box is healthy.
> Unhealthy lunches for the research were made up of white bread with chocolate spread instead of wholemeal with cheese; flavoured yoghurt rather than a plain, unsweetened version; and snacks such as crisps as opposed to the four portions of fruit and vegetables incorporated into the healthy lunch.
Well 4 portions of fruit and veg vs 1 packet of crisps isn’t a like-for-like comparison at all. What happens to the comparison if you do something more realistic like subbing in 1 banana for the crisps?
Oh and my work lunch today is homemade lentil soup. It doesn’t get much cheaper than that, and quite healthy too.
Haha, go to the charity website and look at the photos. Look at the amount of cheese in the ‘healthy’ cheese sandwich, there’s almost an entire block! There must be well over 1000 calories in that ‘healthy’ packed lunch. Why do people do these ridiculous comparisons where it’s so obvious that they made strange choices to get the results that they want but then the press never mention it?
Most people don’t know what ‘Healthy’ means, and that includes Public Health England, NHS, Dietitian’s, and Nutritionists. Healthy food would be food that gives us vitality, and is a species appropriate, species specific diet. We are designed by positive and negative selection pressures to feed on animal fat and protein. Vegetables and fruit are not human food, they are not healthy.
The human body needs complete protein and fat, the form we need it comes from animals. For proper brain function we need EPA and DHA Omega 3, not ALA that comes from plants. We need Vitamin A in the animal form retinol, not the plan form carotene. There are 16 essential minerals and 13 essential vitamins. You will find everything you need in an animal based diet, in the correct form, in high quantities. Gram for gram, liver contains 4x the vitamin C of an apple, plus if you are eating an animal based diet carbohydrate intake will be extremely low, so Vitamin C won’t be competing with the glucose to get into the cell on the GLUT4 receptor so vitamin C requirement goes down considerably.
Feels most people are sick now, and it’s because we are not longer eating a species appropriate diet. Kids who cannot concentrate anymore because we put them on a sugar rollercoaster all day long with bread, cereal, grains, fruit instead of eggs fro breakfast in butter. All the ALA instead of EPA and DHA for their brains to form correctly.
Most can get away with some of this non food as a compliment, but not in the quantities and frequency we do now.
Next time you’re in Tesco, I’m not sure if they’ve changed the labels since, mind, as this was nearly 7 years ago. Compare the branded tinned vegetables against the supermarkets own, the vitamin/mineral content in the supermarkets own brand is less nutritious. You’re getting screwed each and every way.
If they want cheaper healthier lunches they should provide fridges. Mostly I got shelf-stable stuff like crisps, dried fruit and chocolate for lunch because meat, yogurt and vegetables would have been minging by lunchtime. I know you can get ice packs and insulated lunchboxes but that’s more expensive stuff you have to buy and another thing you have to remember to do consistently (freeze the pack).
excuses excuses
Frozen fruit and veg is cheap, rice is cheap, chicken is cheap, tins of tuna are cheap, mince is cheap, tinned tomatoes are cheap, tinned beans are cheap
Slow cooking a big Stew or chilli is cheap.
It’s only more expensive because people charge that much……the government gets subsidised food, and alchol in parliament….most factories have subsidised cafeterias, the military and police get subsidised food….so why not schools…..or better yet, free…..stop the freebies for politicians like expenses and grace and favour houses, lower thier wages and spend more on schools…..
It doesn’t cost 45% more to make a healthy packed lunch than it does to make an unhealthy one. It just doesn’t. This is total bullshit. Ultra processed junkfood shite like Dairylea Lunchables and fruit rollups are FAR more expensive than healthier options.
Not as expensive as posh quinoa salad maybe, but who ever heard of a child eating posh quinoa salad for lunch at school, with fresh blueberries? Nobody ever heard of that because it doesn’t happen.
I get it costs more.
Though does it really cost more to make an existing meal look appetising. I keep hearing from my kids their lunch looks like vomit and the staffs attitude is awful when challenged.
Sandwich and banana. Have a proper meal when you get home.