Disabled Labour MP says welfare U-turn would create ‘unethical two-tier system’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/28/disabled-labour-mp-olivia-blake-welfare-bill-u-turn-starmer
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Disabled Labour MP says welfare U-turn would create ‘unethical two-tier system’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/28/disabled-labour-mp-olivia-blake-welfare-bill-u-turn-starmer
Posted by IPlayFifaOnSemiPro
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Heaven forbid anything is done to address the HUGE amount of money the UK gives away to people which in some cases shouldn’t have it. Let’s create a country of people who are dependent mentally and financially on the nanny state. What could possibly go wrong.
The solution to the unaffordability of PIP they’ve landed on is essentially the “solution” to every financial crisis of our lifetimes so far: pull the ladder up, and tell the next generation to cope.
Yes, I know there’s a problem of affordability. How come every time there’s a problem of affordability, the next generation subsidise the previous to have something they never will.
It’s times like these where I wonder: “why the fuck is no one talking about OT?”
It’s the perfect profession to help with enabling people with disabilities and mental health issues to get to work. We work with people in a person-centred way, based on their strengths, needs and intrests. We have various assessment tools and outcome measures to use.
OTs in district councils need to have a go at some of these mental health referals for young people. We are very useful.
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Did people forget we have this benefit in place because it saves a massive amount of money for the British taxpayer???
The issue with the welfare bill is that you get 0 help. Sanctions hinder they do not help. Job centres have 10 minute appointments. {And are so dam rude}. They put you for the same jobs over and over just to fix there books.
It’s a double edged sword 🙁 Fuck people who abuse the welfare system if it wasn’t for them it wouldn’t of been questioned
It does seem like close to 100% of those claiming PIP unnecessarily are on this sub reddit.
There already is a two tier system: those who work and those who don’t. The former always subsidizes the latter.
Tax. The. Rich.
I mean billionaires who avoid paying anything and just want more
If only there was a group of people in the country that have vast amounts of generational wealth, that we could tax properly in order to pay for these services… Oh well, might as well just break more poor peoples backs. Hurrah!
LMAO the entire counry is every single regard is two tier.
PIP is abused. I’ve known people who offered others tips on how to game the application system. People on PIP for conditions such as ADHD and/or fibromyalgia sometimes also while claiming caring allowances for relatives with similar conditions. And when they’re not at home glued to their phones and watching TV they are forming relationships, having children, making friends, spending days in the pub beer garden and spending nights at a bar and at clubs (often dancing) but they “can’t” won’t work.
I’m living in a Labour stronghold and most of the people I’m describing above if they have ever voted it’s mostly for Labour if not then the Greens.
Yeah this argument isn’t over. We’ve inflicted the first defeat, but it’s simply not goods enough. Deciding arbitrarily that from now on future claimants will simply have to find a way to be less disabled is irrational and out of touch with how human health works.
So..? What’s the real message here?
That we cannot afford to support people with disabilities because it’s costing our economy too much money? Or that we have too many people with disabilities and some of them have to either die off or go without any support?
I kind of agree in a way that the system is broken because in terms of actual support, accessibility and accommodations for people with disabilities everything is pathetic and piss poor. We’re decades into PIP and limited capability and the DWP still cannot deal adequately with people who have disabiltiies.
But it seems that all and any discussion of equitability in society is getting drowned out by discussions of cost, and of course it’s all done in a way where able-bodied people are fearful that they’re going to lose out and that it’s costing them something.
This is nothing new. The able-bodied seem determined to turn every trick in the book to make it all about them, so people with disabilities end up being marginalized yet again and having to accept whatever decisions able-bodied people make about them without even trying to understand their issues and experiences.
Only thing is disability is a very inclusive minority. In addition to people who have to struggle with lifelong disabilities, it’s relatively easy to pick up a disability. Most people are one illness, one injury, or one traumatic episode away from having a disability themselves. It’s something we all need to be learning about.
But this will never happen while we’re all focussed on the central question of “Where’s the money going to come from?”
If you want to cut pip, fund social services. They’re normally the ones who would be helping the disabled make a life for themselves without needing to rely so heavily on government assistance but since social services are on their arse right now we’ve found ourselves with a bit of a problem
I think I understand what the government are trying to do. They are cutting benefits to the disabled at the same time as going on about war preparations. They need more people able to go into war related jobs. Unfortunately this will backfire spectacularly as disabled people who looked fine before go into a slow decline but the lucky few with a mental condition that pass the physical will not mentally be up to dealing with the jobs they will be put into.