Will he get off the pot already and just challenge Starmer, this nibbling from the sidelines gig he has going on won’t last forever.
No-Potential-7242 on
They’ve handed all of us chaos until the next election and they’ve given the election to Reform.
There is no way to afford this. We have just had 14 years of Tories and everyone knows very well we’re in a tough situation. The welfare rolls are ballooning. Many people are struggling, not just the disabled, and Boomers just pressured the government into continuing to give them a heating allowance most don’t need. It’s younger workers who will have to pay for all of this and we don’t have anything else to give.
swolleninthecolon on
If labour had a leadership challenge theres no way reform doesnt win
callsignhotdog on
The trouble with being the leader of the Labour Party is that the Labour Party is still (despite the best efforts of Starmer and his team) full of Labour supporters, who keep insisting that the Labour Party should do Labour Things.
Disability welfare is a pro-worker policy. Social security for illness or old age are one of the oldest things workers fought for. It is a bald-faced lie to describe yourself as a “Party of Workers” while cutting sickness and disability benefits.
Agile-Fly-3721 on
With Bond yields continuing to rise and with UK national debt repayments at more than twice the amount the amount it spends on defence, something is going to have to give. It’s unsustainable. Either income taxes will have to rise across the board, or spending will have to be cut.
It will be much worse after an IMF bailout, if Britain does nothing to address it’s dire budget.
denyer-no1-fan on
From the Guardian:
> It will report in autumn 2026 – the same time as the Pip changes are scheduled to take effect – which MPs said risked a “three-tier” system, including those new claimants assessed pre- and post-Timms review.
Yeah MPs should vote this down immediately
TheObrien on
I’m growing increasingly annoyed with this infighting.
Anyone sensible knows this needs reform, and shouting to vote against will just ultimately leave it free to be gutted by the next Tory or Reform government – but the left side of Labour are too busy trying to unseat Starmer to realise…
Or they don’t GAF about the disabled and just want to score political points…
GiftedGeordie on
Unpopular Policies, Performative Politics and Infighting? Are we sure that we didn’t accidentally vote for the Tories by mistake?
That said, I do like Andy Burnham and would much prefer him to being PM instead of Starmer, although the bar is on the floor at that point.
arncl on
It’s pathetic seeing the left fall for this conman.
A Blairite, a Brownite, a Milibandite and a Corbynite walk into a pub. ‘Hello, Mr Burnham’
Throw-Awa55566 on
Burnham is absolutely a self-serving ass, nobody believe him. He’s right here though.
Wrong-Half-6628 on
Yay, because of Labour, we will continue to have ballooning Welfare expenditure that is completely unaffordable. Our generation and our kids generations will continue to pay for this. The country gets poorer.
Just as a party begins to make the difficult decisions, the socialist morons appear from the woodwork to throttle the countries progress again.
So boring.
Turbulent_Art745 on
what sickens me the most about all this is how its framed as a moral imperative to kick people off pip to be “fair to the taxpayer” but when it comes to triple lock they are all trying to outdo each other for bending over backwards to the richest bloc in the country.
I am so often told about British values, but fuck me, kicking the disabled, thats the famous british fair play and decency is it?
Loreki on
Good. The current plan is that people just won’t get the money, even if they have the same disability and needs, after an arbitrary cut off which is detached from reality and cruel.
It is welcome that the rebels got a concession, but it’s just a start.
Spamgrenade on
If this was a Tory campaign the papers would be full of stories about people faking or exaggerating their mental illness to claim PIP. There would be enormous graphs showing the drop off in UC claims and new PIP claims when the Tories introduced their 3 week rule.
The public would be begging Starmer to put his measures through.
ArtRevolutionary3929 on
Andy knows what voting for unpopular welfare reforms can do to a Labour MP’s career. If he hadn’t done so in 2015, he could have been PM by now.
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Will he get off the pot already and just challenge Starmer, this nibbling from the sidelines gig he has going on won’t last forever.
They’ve handed all of us chaos until the next election and they’ve given the election to Reform.
There is no way to afford this. We have just had 14 years of Tories and everyone knows very well we’re in a tough situation. The welfare rolls are ballooning. Many people are struggling, not just the disabled, and Boomers just pressured the government into continuing to give them a heating allowance most don’t need. It’s younger workers who will have to pay for all of this and we don’t have anything else to give.
If labour had a leadership challenge theres no way reform doesnt win
The trouble with being the leader of the Labour Party is that the Labour Party is still (despite the best efforts of Starmer and his team) full of Labour supporters, who keep insisting that the Labour Party should do Labour Things.
Disability welfare is a pro-worker policy. Social security for illness or old age are one of the oldest things workers fought for. It is a bald-faced lie to describe yourself as a “Party of Workers” while cutting sickness and disability benefits.
With Bond yields continuing to rise and with UK national debt repayments at more than twice the amount the amount it spends on defence, something is going to have to give. It’s unsustainable. Either income taxes will have to rise across the board, or spending will have to be cut.
It will be much worse after an IMF bailout, if Britain does nothing to address it’s dire budget.
From the Guardian:
> It will report in autumn 2026 – the same time as the Pip changes are scheduled to take effect – which MPs said risked a “three-tier” system, including those new claimants assessed pre- and post-Timms review.
Yeah MPs should vote this down immediately
I’m growing increasingly annoyed with this infighting.
Anyone sensible knows this needs reform, and shouting to vote against will just ultimately leave it free to be gutted by the next Tory or Reform government – but the left side of Labour are too busy trying to unseat Starmer to realise…
Or they don’t GAF about the disabled and just want to score political points…
Unpopular Policies, Performative Politics and Infighting? Are we sure that we didn’t accidentally vote for the Tories by mistake?
That said, I do like Andy Burnham and would much prefer him to being PM instead of Starmer, although the bar is on the floor at that point.
It’s pathetic seeing the left fall for this conman.
A Blairite, a Brownite, a Milibandite and a Corbynite walk into a pub. ‘Hello, Mr Burnham’
Burnham is absolutely a self-serving ass, nobody believe him. He’s right here though.
Yay, because of Labour, we will continue to have ballooning Welfare expenditure that is completely unaffordable. Our generation and our kids generations will continue to pay for this. The country gets poorer.
Just as a party begins to make the difficult decisions, the socialist morons appear from the woodwork to throttle the countries progress again.
So boring.
what sickens me the most about all this is how its framed as a moral imperative to kick people off pip to be “fair to the taxpayer” but when it comes to triple lock they are all trying to outdo each other for bending over backwards to the richest bloc in the country.
I am so often told about British values, but fuck me, kicking the disabled, thats the famous british fair play and decency is it?
Good. The current plan is that people just won’t get the money, even if they have the same disability and needs, after an arbitrary cut off which is detached from reality and cruel.
It is welcome that the rebels got a concession, but it’s just a start.
If this was a Tory campaign the papers would be full of stories about people faking or exaggerating their mental illness to claim PIP. There would be enormous graphs showing the drop off in UC claims and new PIP claims when the Tories introduced their 3 week rule.
The public would be begging Starmer to put his measures through.
Andy knows what voting for unpopular welfare reforms can do to a Labour MP’s career. If he hadn’t done so in 2015, he could have been PM by now.