A lukewarm welcome to our next Prime Minister, Nigel Farage.
*sigh*
Valcenia on
> Tbf, nothing he’s [Jeremy Corbyn] said has indicated he would lead this prospective new party, and there’s no reason to also believe that current Labour MPs [Zarah Sultana] couldn’t / wouldn’t leave to become a part of it
A comment I left earlier today. Does this make me a prophet?
AuroraHalsey on
Farage and Badenoch are throwing a party right now.
I’m glad for this though.
If we can get four or five sizeable parties in parliament that can’t hold a majority on their own, we could finally get voting reform.
vlexo1 on
Corbyn’s last leadership saw mass defections and a wipeout in 2019, this reunion won’t magically reverse that.
They’ll siphon off a few hard-left activists, but a new party starts with zero infrastructure, no media reach and minimal fundraising.
They’re setting themselves up as permanent protest vote material, no policymaking clout, no cabinet seats, just another fringe group guaranteed to help the Tories or Reform UK win under FPTP.
Craft_on_draft on
This could be great for labour, all the loons defect to Corbyn’s party and Starmer could be alright. Abbott next please
LowerDinner8240 on
This confirms what a lot of people already thought. She was never really interested in representing her constituents, it was always about activism, not local issues.
She’s spent more time talking about Gaza and Britain’s past than she has about the NHS, housing, or jobs in Coventry. MPs are supposed to serve their communities, not use Parliament as a platform for international protest.
If someone sees the country as fundamentally broken, how can they be trusted to lead it? We need politicians who want to fix Britain, not just condemn it.
Seoirse101349 on
Unless there are more defections, isn’t this just another Change UK?
Azzadal on
If we didnt have FPTP this would be good news. Maybe this will spur the greens into getting their shit together too, someone stealing their thunder being a protest party might drive them to actually having a cohesive vision
Chlorophilia on
You can always rely on the left to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing is better than compromise, apparently.
PuzzleheadedBear5624 on
On the bright side. We now have a left wing party. On the significantly darker side I think this all but guarantees a reform victory
Christian-Metal on
Other than Student and harder left voters and activists, most people outside of that bubble do not take Sultana as a serious MP. She has all the gravitas of an A Level student debater. This is not a blow to Starmer in any way. Whatever you think for him, he has succeeded in removing the Corbyn left from the party. The only thing that is now a threat to Labour is him and his government’s inability to actually govern.
LauraPhilps7654 on
Whatever one’s political opinion on this, “Billionaires already have three parties fighting for them. It’s time the rest of us had one” stands out as a strikingly pithy penultimate sentence.
johnomuller on
“If you are not as *left wing* as the *left wing* person you are talking to, you are the enemy” – Daniel Sloss
Valcenia on
To anyone that has concerns about “splitting the left” (no, I’m not including Labour in that), parties can and have been willing to stand down in seats where aligned parties are more likely to win in the past. This new party, the Greens, and even the Lib Dem’s could quite easily enter into an agreement like this, perhaps similar to France’s New Popular Front
savingthrone on
Maybe Starmer and co. will use this opportunity to stop browbeating and start thinking about the structural integrity of their coalition.
All the cries of “letting Reform win” should probably realise that it takes two to tango…
Manfred-Disco on
Good. Might actually see proper left and right politics instead of the pretenders we are currently served with.
MrBagnall on
Well I do love the general attitudes around here.
When nothing changes “This, that and the other is wrong, we need to do something. So on and so forth.”
When someone makes a change “No, not like that!”
Personally I wish them the best of luck going forwards. Yes it will be difficult. Yes they may very well fail to achieve anything at all. At least they’re trying *something*.
Pogeos on
On the bright side – the less people in labour party are like her, the more I trust Labour.
throwaway265378 on
I’m sure plenty of people will be blaming them for a Reform victory. Similar to Democrats in the US blaming left wing voters for Kamala losing the election. But the Labour right have only themselves to blame for further splitting the “left”.
mixxituk on
More center left votes going to a minority
Good job guys at least the barbaric hamas and Hezbollah appreciate the effort so they can continue suppressing gays
neptune_2k06 on
They could call it United Britain, inspired by Putin’s United Russia.
Both of these MPs have blamed NATO for his aggressive behaviour towards other countries.
spacebatangeldragon8 on
People crowing about how unlikely their chances are in 2029 are totally missing the bigger picture here, in the historical turning point we’re currently enduring. Winning a single election isn’t the point – *surviving* as an independent political force is.
The Labour Party, as currently constituted, is a rotting corpse. The more sound-headed people on its left flank who leave it for good before the worms finally finish gnawing their way through, the better.
dreamvilian27 on
It was only a matter of time. Starmer can’t be shocked with the strategy of isolating one wing of his party and them deciding to splinter off
potpan0 on
This thread is unsurprisingly wild already. Apparently this new party is both entirely irrelevant student politics, but also enough to put Nigel Farage into power. Make it make sense?
Personally I think it will be nice to finally have a party which actually represents the interests of the British public, and doesn’t just kowtow to the highest bidder. Constantly voting for *the lesser evil* has got us into this mess, how about we vote for a party who will actually represent our interests instead?
Rayvinblade on
This party will never win power, but it might develop just enough clout to force Labour to stop throwing voters away in a doomed pursuit for Reformers, and move back toward the left.
LingonberryNo3548 on
Difficult day to be an islamic extremist and have to decide whether to stick to the greens or move over to this new party
concretepigeon on
It’s a shame there’s not voice really for economically left types who aren’t obsessed with Gaza and don’t want mass migration.
I have a level of respect for Sultana but she seems to be any to put herself in a position where she’s effectively a tool for the far right.
potpan0 on
What an odd thread. Already filled with kneejerk comments from centrists stamping their feet either insisting that this new party is irrelevant, or that it will usher in a Reform government.
Fact is there’s something incredibly dangerous about an allegedly ‘democratic’ system which refuses to represent the views of interests of millions of people. We have three major parties who represent the same tiny group: the rich. It’ll be nice to have a party which actually represents the average person in this country. And if a party representing average people is allegedly a challenge to Labour, than it only highlights how far from that path Labour have lurched under Starmer.
Briecap on
Why are people talking about ‘splitting the left vote’? There aren’t currently any major left wing parties to vote for. How can you split something that doesn’t exist?
Weird-Statistician on
I really do think all these defections, no matter which party should trigger a by election. You stand on a manefesto for party A and then suddenly you’re representing a completely different lot.
RoyalJacko on
In 2020 Zarah Sultana voted for a bill that MPs who voluntarily change their political party affiliation are subject to a recall petition, which, if signed by 10% of eligible electors, would lead to their seats being declared vacant.
Wotnd on
Come on Abbott, do Labour a favour and make the move as well.
GiftedGeordie on
Starmer has already showed that he has nothing but contempt for the left wing of the Labour Party and is trying to buddy up to the far right, even though you can’t out-Reform Reform, so why in the fuck should people like Sultana waste their time in staying?
I’m not going to blame people like Sultana for leaving, I hope that more left wing Labour supporters do leave and then the left wing actually have a fucking party that can represent them instead of a British political system dominated by different types of right wing.
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A lukewarm welcome to our next Prime Minister, Nigel Farage.
*sigh*
> Tbf, nothing he’s [Jeremy Corbyn] said has indicated he would lead this prospective new party, and there’s no reason to also believe that current Labour MPs [Zarah Sultana] couldn’t / wouldn’t leave to become a part of it
A comment I left earlier today. Does this make me a prophet?
Farage and Badenoch are throwing a party right now.
I’m glad for this though.
If we can get four or five sizeable parties in parliament that can’t hold a majority on their own, we could finally get voting reform.
Corbyn’s last leadership saw mass defections and a wipeout in 2019, this reunion won’t magically reverse that.
They’ll siphon off a few hard-left activists, but a new party starts with zero infrastructure, no media reach and minimal fundraising.
They’re setting themselves up as permanent protest vote material, no policymaking clout, no cabinet seats, just another fringe group guaranteed to help the Tories or Reform UK win under FPTP.
This could be great for labour, all the loons defect to Corbyn’s party and Starmer could be alright. Abbott next please
This confirms what a lot of people already thought. She was never really interested in representing her constituents, it was always about activism, not local issues.
She’s spent more time talking about Gaza and Britain’s past than she has about the NHS, housing, or jobs in Coventry. MPs are supposed to serve their communities, not use Parliament as a platform for international protest.
If someone sees the country as fundamentally broken, how can they be trusted to lead it? We need politicians who want to fix Britain, not just condemn it.
Unless there are more defections, isn’t this just another Change UK?
If we didnt have FPTP this would be good news. Maybe this will spur the greens into getting their shit together too, someone stealing their thunder being a protest party might drive them to actually having a cohesive vision
You can always rely on the left to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Losing is better than compromise, apparently.
On the bright side. We now have a left wing party. On the significantly darker side I think this all but guarantees a reform victory
Other than Student and harder left voters and activists, most people outside of that bubble do not take Sultana as a serious MP. She has all the gravitas of an A Level student debater. This is not a blow to Starmer in any way. Whatever you think for him, he has succeeded in removing the Corbyn left from the party. The only thing that is now a threat to Labour is him and his government’s inability to actually govern.
Whatever one’s political opinion on this, “Billionaires already have three parties fighting for them. It’s time the rest of us had one” stands out as a strikingly pithy penultimate sentence.
“If you are not as *left wing* as the *left wing* person you are talking to, you are the enemy” – Daniel Sloss
To anyone that has concerns about “splitting the left” (no, I’m not including Labour in that), parties can and have been willing to stand down in seats where aligned parties are more likely to win in the past. This new party, the Greens, and even the Lib Dem’s could quite easily enter into an agreement like this, perhaps similar to France’s New Popular Front
Maybe Starmer and co. will use this opportunity to stop browbeating and start thinking about the structural integrity of their coalition.
All the cries of “letting Reform win” should probably realise that it takes two to tango…
Good. Might actually see proper left and right politics instead of the pretenders we are currently served with.
Well I do love the general attitudes around here.
When nothing changes “This, that and the other is wrong, we need to do something. So on and so forth.”
When someone makes a change “No, not like that!”
Personally I wish them the best of luck going forwards. Yes it will be difficult. Yes they may very well fail to achieve anything at all. At least they’re trying *something*.
On the bright side – the less people in labour party are like her, the more I trust Labour.
I’m sure plenty of people will be blaming them for a Reform victory. Similar to Democrats in the US blaming left wing voters for Kamala losing the election. But the Labour right have only themselves to blame for further splitting the “left”.
More center left votes going to a minority
Good job guys at least the barbaric hamas and Hezbollah appreciate the effort so they can continue suppressing gays
They could call it United Britain, inspired by Putin’s United Russia.
Both of these MPs have blamed NATO for his aggressive behaviour towards other countries.
People crowing about how unlikely their chances are in 2029 are totally missing the bigger picture here, in the historical turning point we’re currently enduring. Winning a single election isn’t the point – *surviving* as an independent political force is.
The Labour Party, as currently constituted, is a rotting corpse. The more sound-headed people on its left flank who leave it for good before the worms finally finish gnawing their way through, the better.
It was only a matter of time. Starmer can’t be shocked with the strategy of isolating one wing of his party and them deciding to splinter off
This thread is unsurprisingly wild already. Apparently this new party is both entirely irrelevant student politics, but also enough to put Nigel Farage into power. Make it make sense?
Personally I think it will be nice to finally have a party which actually represents the interests of the British public, and doesn’t just kowtow to the highest bidder. Constantly voting for *the lesser evil* has got us into this mess, how about we vote for a party who will actually represent our interests instead?
This party will never win power, but it might develop just enough clout to force Labour to stop throwing voters away in a doomed pursuit for Reformers, and move back toward the left.
Difficult day to be an islamic extremist and have to decide whether to stick to the greens or move over to this new party
It’s a shame there’s not voice really for economically left types who aren’t obsessed with Gaza and don’t want mass migration.
I have a level of respect for Sultana but she seems to be any to put herself in a position where she’s effectively a tool for the far right.
What an odd thread. Already filled with kneejerk comments from centrists stamping their feet either insisting that this new party is irrelevant, or that it will usher in a Reform government.
Fact is there’s something incredibly dangerous about an allegedly ‘democratic’ system which refuses to represent the views of interests of millions of people. We have three major parties who represent the same tiny group: the rich. It’ll be nice to have a party which actually represents the average person in this country. And if a party representing average people is allegedly a challenge to Labour, than it only highlights how far from that path Labour have lurched under Starmer.
Why are people talking about ‘splitting the left vote’? There aren’t currently any major left wing parties to vote for. How can you split something that doesn’t exist?
I really do think all these defections, no matter which party should trigger a by election. You stand on a manefesto for party A and then suddenly you’re representing a completely different lot.
In 2020 Zarah Sultana voted for a bill that MPs who voluntarily change their political party affiliation are subject to a recall petition, which, if signed by 10% of eligible electors, would lead to their seats being declared vacant.
Come on Abbott, do Labour a favour and make the move as well.
Starmer has already showed that he has nothing but contempt for the left wing of the Labour Party and is trying to buddy up to the far right, even though you can’t out-Reform Reform, so why in the fuck should people like Sultana waste their time in staying?
I’m not going to blame people like Sultana for leaving, I hope that more left wing Labour supporters do leave and then the left wing actually have a fucking party that can represent them instead of a British political system dominated by different types of right wing.