When small crimes become acceptable it leads to bigger crimes. They think they can do whatever they want, more often than not are proven right
YourBestDream4752 on
In case people still believed that it is a waste of time to go after fare dodgers
chronicnerv on
Unless you have the monopoly of power, its not wise to tell people what they should be doing, Hope she recovers and those invloved are brought to justice.
bookfrombox on
Broken window theory is real and no amount of ‘studies’ that claim to disprove it will convince me.
You decriminalise petty crime through wilful inaction and society goes to complete shit.
Careless_Agency5365 on
Part of the problem with small offences is that they are often indicative of wider issues.
Fare dodging absolutely should be challenged because it’s violent thugs like this that are damaging our society.
All those classic deflections like “no murders to solve then” well it seems like exactly the type of people that are killing each other are those committing other crimes too so why wait for a murder when you can deal with them for something before it gets to that stage
disordered-attic-2 on
They look so smug and proud of themselves for it. You can tell they’ve always got their way and gamed the system if ever challenged.
Feeling_Addendum4357 on
Good fucking luck trying to view the photos. 4 overlays within seconds
mileswilliams on
Maybe they should prescribe fair dodgers as terrorists?
DelosHR on
Now why did this have to happen to her and not Robert Jenrick during his recent stunt?
PersonalityOld8755 on
So many people don’t pay, they think it’s their god given right to get free transportation, whilst I pay £8 to get to work everyday, to cover their short fall.
The uk needs to get tough and fast, I’m so sick of it,
SunshineThunder101 on
The fact this happened at 4pm on a weekday speaks volumes about how normalised petty crime & aggressive behaviour from underparented teenagers has become
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YooGeOh on
These websites are so shit. Police add us to get in touch if we recognise any of them, but you click on the website and all you get is adverts interspersed with little bits of article, and no pictures of them at all
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Curious_Orange8592 on
Why the fuck was she bothering people when she was off duty?
Dapper_Big_783 on
Need a Trump style leadership to deal with to this bs like fare dodging.
CursedRaindrop on
Even if they’re caught what punishment will they get?
Community service that theyll skip, fines they won’t pay, a two week suspended sentence?
Criminals have no fear of the law anymore because its so weak, 5 years mandatory sentence served in full for any violent crime would be a good start
No_Strawberry_6189 on
I was on the bus by Angel yesterday, and two girls – I think drunk, but may (genuinely) have just been dumb and loud – got on, one of them their card didn’t work when she was tapping on. She clearly expected the driver to just waiver her through, but he instead he waited for her to find an alternative card to pay. Finally she found one, tapped in, and immediately started verbally abusing the driver in really sexual terms saying ‘It’s not my fault you’re not getting laid at the moment mate’. ‘No masturbation, that’s your problem’.
He stonewalled her (wisely) waited for her to sit down, and then she and her mate were just drunk and loud at the back for the rest of the trip.
Anyway … why do I bring this up … Because there are dumb as fuck people with zero civic sense all over London. They don’t give a fuck about anybody else or frankly even themselves. The concept of ‘dignity’ is totally foreign to them. And I have no idea what the solution to this type of person is, because I genuinely think they are so dumb that they’re not capable of being any different.
West-Ad-1532 on
The main issue is that violent behaviour is now being allowed to go unchallenged… Civilised behaviour from lawful citizens is being undermined by this behaviour.
Pity we don’t have an agreement with Ukraine to send our idiots to their front line.
irishshogun on
It’s free for all in London atm, can steal groceries or anything from the shops, take watches/phones/bags of people and get free transport with no threat of the police bothering you
Tay74 on
Genuine question, are officers expected to do stuff like this off duty? If someones safety or life was in danger, I could understand why police officers would have a duty to act while on duty or not, but challenging a group like this with no gear or backup sounds like a risk that might not outweigh the few pounds it would save the train companies
Now to be clear I am not saying they didn’t deserve to get called out, or that we shouldn’t live in a society where people committing petty crime can’t be called out by people without batons, tasers and not in uniform, but idk it makes me think of how shop employees aren’t supposed to fully confront shoplifters because the risk of them just getting attacked in retaliation is too high.
And before someone says “so just let them get away with it??” the solution to the rise in things like shoplifting and fare dodging can’t just be to hope that an off duty cop is nearby and doesn’t get their arse kicked when they try to intervene. I’d say that the difference off duty cops can make in intervening when they see these sorts of petty crimes probably won’t make much of a difference to the wide scale of the problem, so I’d rather the cops not get beaten off duty and be given more support to deal with things on duty. But idk as I say I don’t know if police are expected to intervene in any and all crime they see when off duty regardless of physical risk
gerhardsymons on
Londoner here. People born in this century will find it hard to imagine how relatively peaceful and civil life was in the 1980s. Yes, there was the threats of the I.R.A, however society was would not retreat in fear and life went on.
I hope the police officer recovers soon, and that justice is administered to the offenders.
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When small crimes become acceptable it leads to bigger crimes. They think they can do whatever they want, more often than not are proven right
In case people still believed that it is a waste of time to go after fare dodgers
Unless you have the monopoly of power, its not wise to tell people what they should be doing, Hope she recovers and those invloved are brought to justice.
Broken window theory is real and no amount of ‘studies’ that claim to disprove it will convince me.
You decriminalise petty crime through wilful inaction and society goes to complete shit.
Part of the problem with small offences is that they are often indicative of wider issues.
Fare dodging absolutely should be challenged because it’s violent thugs like this that are damaging our society.
All those classic deflections like “no murders to solve then” well it seems like exactly the type of people that are killing each other are those committing other crimes too so why wait for a murder when you can deal with them for something before it gets to that stage
They look so smug and proud of themselves for it. You can tell they’ve always got their way and gamed the system if ever challenged.
Good fucking luck trying to view the photos. 4 overlays within seconds
Maybe they should prescribe fair dodgers as terrorists?
Now why did this have to happen to her and not Robert Jenrick during his recent stunt?
So many people don’t pay, they think it’s their god given right to get free transportation, whilst I pay £8 to get to work everyday, to cover their short fall.
The uk needs to get tough and fast, I’m so sick of it,
The fact this happened at 4pm on a weekday speaks volumes about how normalised petty crime & aggressive behaviour from underparented teenagers has become
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These websites are so shit. Police add us to get in touch if we recognise any of them, but you click on the website and all you get is adverts interspersed with little bits of article, and no pictures of them at all
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Why the fuck was she bothering people when she was off duty?
Need a Trump style leadership to deal with to this bs like fare dodging.
Even if they’re caught what punishment will they get?
Community service that theyll skip, fines they won’t pay, a two week suspended sentence?
Criminals have no fear of the law anymore because its so weak, 5 years mandatory sentence served in full for any violent crime would be a good start
I was on the bus by Angel yesterday, and two girls – I think drunk, but may (genuinely) have just been dumb and loud – got on, one of them their card didn’t work when she was tapping on. She clearly expected the driver to just waiver her through, but he instead he waited for her to find an alternative card to pay. Finally she found one, tapped in, and immediately started verbally abusing the driver in really sexual terms saying ‘It’s not my fault you’re not getting laid at the moment mate’. ‘No masturbation, that’s your problem’.
He stonewalled her (wisely) waited for her to sit down, and then she and her mate were just drunk and loud at the back for the rest of the trip.
Anyway … why do I bring this up … Because there are dumb as fuck people with zero civic sense all over London. They don’t give a fuck about anybody else or frankly even themselves. The concept of ‘dignity’ is totally foreign to them. And I have no idea what the solution to this type of person is, because I genuinely think they are so dumb that they’re not capable of being any different.
The main issue is that violent behaviour is now being allowed to go unchallenged… Civilised behaviour from lawful citizens is being undermined by this behaviour.
Pity we don’t have an agreement with Ukraine to send our idiots to their front line.
It’s free for all in London atm, can steal groceries or anything from the shops, take watches/phones/bags of people and get free transport with no threat of the police bothering you
Genuine question, are officers expected to do stuff like this off duty? If someones safety or life was in danger, I could understand why police officers would have a duty to act while on duty or not, but challenging a group like this with no gear or backup sounds like a risk that might not outweigh the few pounds it would save the train companies
Now to be clear I am not saying they didn’t deserve to get called out, or that we shouldn’t live in a society where people committing petty crime can’t be called out by people without batons, tasers and not in uniform, but idk it makes me think of how shop employees aren’t supposed to fully confront shoplifters because the risk of them just getting attacked in retaliation is too high.
And before someone says “so just let them get away with it??” the solution to the rise in things like shoplifting and fare dodging can’t just be to hope that an off duty cop is nearby and doesn’t get their arse kicked when they try to intervene. I’d say that the difference off duty cops can make in intervening when they see these sorts of petty crimes probably won’t make much of a difference to the wide scale of the problem, so I’d rather the cops not get beaten off duty and be given more support to deal with things on duty. But idk as I say I don’t know if police are expected to intervene in any and all crime they see when off duty regardless of physical risk
Londoner here. People born in this century will find it hard to imagine how relatively peaceful and civil life was in the 1980s. Yes, there was the threats of the I.R.A, however society was would not retreat in fear and life went on.
I hope the police officer recovers soon, and that justice is administered to the offenders.