Tories claim ‘one in, one out’ migration deal with France ‘will not deter anyone’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jul/10/keir-starmer-emmanuel-macron-tories-migration-france-kemi-badenoch-uk-politics-live-news
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Tories claim ‘one in, one out’ migration deal with France ‘will not deter anyone’
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/jul/10/keir-starmer-emmanuel-macron-tories-migration-france-kemi-badenoch-uk-politics-live-news
Posted by Azzadal
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Correct me if im wrong, but this plan works out significantly better than any of the projected figures for the Rwanda scheme?
The right wing newspapers like express are now saying it’s a ’17 in, one out deal’…
Well it’s not like the Tories had 14 years in power to brainstorm a better alternative is it?
Oh wait
The Tories: “We did nothing! And are all out of ideas!”
“The deal includes an agreement to order a new generation of anti-ship cruise missiles, to replace Storm Shadow”
At first I read that as “anti cruise ship missiles”. Having been to Kotor when a few dock at once, I can totally understand why you would want them.
How does ‘one in, one out’ help at all?
You send back to France an asylum seeker who arrived on a small boat, and in return accept an asylum seeker who is in France but has a family connection with an asylum seeker in the UK (who likely arrived previously on a small boat).
Just swapping asylum seekers doesn’t seem to solve anything, and as it is only one in every seventeen that are arriving by small boat that are going to be swapped, then a sixteen in seventeen chance of not being sent back to France in a swap deal, but then being able to get your family over to the UK by being ‘swapped’ across would seem to be an incentive to increase the numbers wanting to cross by small boat.
The absolute cheek of the Tories to say this.
The reason this measure is needed so urgently is because the conservatives did literally worse than nothing a sabotaged the asylum infrastructure.
I have a friend who is involved in the negotiations.
The proposed general idea is that the migrants will form a line with the two nations taking turns in picking an individual.
According to him the sticking point is France is trying to enforce the right of “First Dibs” (Droit de Premier Choix).
UK is concerned that France will end up with all the sporty ones and the UK will ultimately end up with the ones into DnD.
UK is proposing they alternate “first dibs” with the UK having first choice Mon, Wed and Fridays.
Both do agree however agree that no picks will take place on Sundays as both nations have to be back early for tea.
The Tory suggestion of Red-Rover has been ruled out by both sides as being a stupid idea and a health and safety concern.
I think people complaining about this need to remember that France doesnt really have to care how many migrants make it from France to England if they’ve already made it that far. Tories made this whole situation worse for years.
So in a few minutes am I going to read a chunk of comments like “Oh but the tories”, “Oh but the Rwanda….” , “Oh but but but but”.
I’m not a fan of any of the parties but come on, can you lot not see this is an utter farce and we’re getting absolutely nowhere with this problem? Literally nowhere. We’ve paid France 800 million and they’re delivering migrants to us personally.
1 in 1 out for 50 migrants? 50 migrants a week? 50? **517** arrived on the 4th of July alone.
What are these people doing. Like seriously what are they doing? I feel like im living in some parallel universe where my house is on fire and the firemen are just having a coffee next to me watching it burn.
It really is quite worrying that we’re only halfway through the year and over 21,000 illegal crossings already.
These people could be anyone as they are completely unvetted, potential criminals and potential dangers to society.
Regardless of which side of the political aisle you stand, this really has become one of the most pressing issues facing our country. It simply cannot be allowed to continue.
What did the Tories do for 14 years?
Cry about small boats and migrants without doing anything about them so they could keep it as a wedge issue to bring up every election cycle/ political scandal.
After 14 years of empty promises, it’s laughable that they think this half-baked scheme will suddenly work. No wonder the Express is already spinning it into a joke, this government’s track record on migration is just one failure after another. At this point, they’re just recycling old ideas and hoping nobody notices.
This plan is weird and pointless.
It doesn’t reduce numbers, and it doesn’t deter anyone. In fact, it encourages people to come in 2 because then they can claim their 3,4 is family and someone who came alone gets swapped for their relative.
I see this as an incentive, not a deterrent.
I absolutley agree, their policy of “Everyone in, nobody out” was much better.
But I can see why the Tories as the “Record Immigration Party” have concerns.
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The only thing that will work is to stop the pull factor. No more hotels, benefits, phones, clothing etc. They get given a tent and sleeping bag and dumped in a brownfield site with no freedom of movement or deliveroo jobs. Families, women, children (not 40 year old ones) get accomodated. The single men get the offer of £5k to go back volutarily, that’s it. No asylum claim. Nothing else will work. Need to make their lives as miserable as possible so they show that on their tiktoks and not the 4* hotels abd all the other freebies. Scrap the human rights act and replace with human rights and resonsibilities act.
Like the tories did anything to circumnavigate the issue …worries bigg3st problem is realising they had more than a fair chance to sort the country out and they did far more harm than good. Cretin the lot of them ..they should be forced to pay back the money they stolr from the public and they should be investigated over brexit
For this to work Labour need to get it out of the pilot phase ASAP.
If numbers are uncapped, it has potential to seriously reduce small boat numbers, as no one will risk their lives and pay thousands to cross to the UK only to immediately be sent back to France. Whether it will actually work in practice we don’t know, but there’s good reason to think it should.
But the pilot? It’s almost no deterrent whatsoever due to the cap. And given we’d be swapping people we might end up deporting for people we’ve already agreed to accept, and those we send to France can just try again, it might well actually increase immigration.
But my biggest reason to be sceptical is I’m not really sure how the French benefit. If it works as a deterrent, those migrants who wanted to get to the UK will likely just stay in the EU, and thereby increase illegal immigration to France. So if it works I can imagine the French not being happy and pulling out in short order.
For every migrant that enters, we have to push a tory out? Sounds fair.
Everyone thinks migrants are coming here for the free place to live, free money, and free NHS
Those aren’t really the pull factors though.
They are coming here because of the communities.
When they are here in the accommodation and waiting for asylum claims to be decided, they have already entered the shadow economy and are living their lives amongst ethnic communities who are more than willing to help them out and bring them in their social circles and congregations and more than willing to arrange marriages for them.
Many disappear from hotel accommodation long before their asylum claims are decided, and they live freely within communities with no possibility immigration enforcement will ever find them.
This is really what Priti Patel’s Rwanda Scheme was targetting but she was never blunt enough to blame the ethnic communities established in the UK. As an ethnic person herself, she likely grew up seeing the brazenness of this constantly in overstayers and illegal immigrants joining ethnic communities. Back to the modern day, it was obvious a hotel for 200 people only had 20 left when the catering was all going in the bin for example. Ask anyone who worked in a hotel from 2020 onwards but have luck finding any as they all ended up with gagging orders even the domestics cleaning the bedrooms.
A one in and one out scheme will never work. The only effective solution is offshore processing. You need to take the power out of the established ethnic communities to constantly undermine the government and undermine the wider public interest.
The Tories plan was shit, isolate us from Europe and expect them to deal with our issues???
Bunch of treasonous Russian assets
But sending 1 person to Rwanda and taking 21 in return was a good idea?
No – what’s better is to spend millions on a policy asking anyone who comes here illegally to get on the next plane to Rwanda
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You think putting undesirable (your word) people in foreign camps is more fascist than putting knives through dinghies full of people at sea.
Yes please do help, you know so much about the last Labour government, Tories , Asylum . Not a clue about fascism though 😂
It’s not a one in one out deal. The French have agreed to 50 a week maximum. We get 10 times that arriving in a day.
We need the navy in the channel conducting push back operations.
How exactly does this work?
Small boat sails across with 50 migrants. We return them to France. France sends us 50 migrants.
I don’t see what this changes?
Let’s do what the Tories did instead which was (checks notes)… NOTHING
Better deterrent than Rwanda. Put them on a boat straight back to France. No point in trying.
By their own estimates, their own deterrent policy, Rwanda, would have seen 200 asylum seekers sent every year. Now labour are doing a deal for 50 A WEEK and they have the cheek to complain. I hope this deal includes a rule that if someone is sent back, then tries again they are returned as well as, not instead of, a new crosser. That would really deter those trying to cross and ruin the smugglers business model. Btw this is not an anti immigrant stance, just one against the crisis in the channel.
It might do if it gets higher than 50 people, but at a rate of 1000 arrivals a day, it’ll surely be hard to manage.
Could do something, if less come, then more chance you go back.
Sounds like a crap deal that won’t really resolve anything.
I hate to admit it but unless Starmer grows a pair then we’re looking at a few years of Farage..
The French don’t want to deal with the smugglers so let MI6 off the leash and resolve it that way.
What will deter people is cracking down on our grey economy.
We went decades getting our own food from places like McDonalds, why is it so important now that our takeouts are delivered by some undocumented migrant?
No. The Tories won’t like it. It contains no performative cruelty.
Add a clause that they all get stripped, beaten, and held in stocks for a week before being dragged across the channel on a rope and, even if the number remains the same, they’ll vote for it.