(dumb questions for people with no life fr) how much do yall think will cost to renovate whole crumbling old tbilisi? not only sololaki and abanotubani but whole tbilisi that was built before communist era since every building is crumbling
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Posted by shenidedamovtyan1234
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i would guess probably more than like 37 Tetri
First you will have to buy it all out from the owners. While some will agree to 1:1 area in a newer building, most will charge 3:1 plus all the rent income they would lose from you owning their real estate, and some would charge you unreal amount, so you will never be able to purchase it all.
Then you will need to get permits for restoration of historic buildings, which is not much compared to previous step.
Then you will need to get permits for regular buildings which seems to be more expensive then previous step, both are bribes btw.
Then you will have to pay several generations of foremen who somehow agreed to oversee this long term project.
And then all the materials and labor, which totals to about 10% of infinity.
Depends, also it’s odd to assume only old Tbilisi needs renovation.
First planning – it needs to be much more pedestrian friendly but also optimally designed for traffic/Public transport ( so almost impossible )
Second – Time we and resources we are willing to put determines everything. Slow and gradual renovation may take 10-15 years and cost billions, but it will be worth it, if there is will for it ofc.
Third – People will be displaced and some won’t be satisfied with the process or end result.
Billions more than Georgia could afford. Buying back the private property alone creates an insurmountable barrier. Then there is the ethical question of using public funds to benefit private landowners. A better idea would be to enact strict standards that would effectively force owners to sell or redevelop.
Idk but the matked area looks like a cat and thats cool
Idk man, probably some crazy ammount like 200, maybe even 300 lari
Have you ever seen a renovation process that was done in time here? It’s not just about the cost of building something, buying up private property, getting permits, yada yada, it’s about effectively putting the only city in the country to a stop for who knows how many years or decades
There should be some newer tech that could allow people to put up a strong mesh over walls at risk and then a strong cement – reshaped to match original design.
Or some shi
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In a normal country, these buildings are owned by private people or companies, who are responsible by law to fix any hazardous condition. But since it was the communists who owned the buildings, the ownership nowadays is complicated. Fact is, the government can financially not take care of all of the buildings, it would bancrupt it.
A small earthquake (5.5 magnitude to 6.5) is likely to kill 80,000+ people depending on how close the epicenter is to the surface.
I actually think that large numbers of Communist-era buildings are more at risk, as many have added floors, balconies, and poorly built garages being used as living space.
I’ve also heard that, oddly enough, the Dighomi area is most at risk because large portions are “fill” – loose construction material was used to fill-in ravines and low areas. In the event of an earthquake these fill areas essentially “liquify” which greatly increases the likelihood of pancaking structures. If you have a late 1980s to early 2010 structure in Dighomi you have to be cognizant of the possibility of this.
I can guarantee that the Georgian government and every banking institution that invests in Georgia has these risks calculated, but they don’t publicly discuss it. Considering how authoritarian Georgia is becoming, and considering how one eccentric billionaire controls everything through violence, you’d think that the government could systematically tackle this issue through European or Japanese style building standards, but I am not holding my breath.
The big issue is that owners will try to game the system.
Take a look at myhome.ge and check the prices for Avlabari houses for example, you can literally see houses that are barely standing selling for $250K+, now I am sure as a government there are much better infrastructure projects compared to getting played by the owners of those houses that you want to rebuild.
Other than that, I don’t think construction will be as costly as some would imagine, you can pretty much have a standardized design that meets earthquake safety criteria and build apartment block quite quickly. Something like Soviet buildings but with modern tech and much safer design.
We may actually have money to do that, but i would not trust dumbfucks in our government should be entrusted with such massive project.
Imagine how much money they will steal.
>people with no life
you came to the right place
unfortunately more than we have or can muster. Georgia needs to get higher profit industries or a good national redevelopment program.
georgia has cheaper construction and presumably restoration costs with the whope business griendly gov, but free cash is pretty slim
Gazillion dollars and 69 cents