They would do well to remember before the single market
Known-Contribution72 on
Because the money being given doesn’t come free…..
SlavAbsol on
Just because EU “gives” money, doesn’t mean it also doesn’t do dumb shit. You can be in favor of EU but still criticize it for the mistakes it does.
virtual9931 on
It’s a high % long term loan 🙂 And unfortunately the most of this money won’t be well spent.
AnalphabeticPenguin on
Clients pay you extra, how can you have a problem with their fetishes?!
Both-Reason6023 on
Poland is one of the most pro-European Union countries. You’re confusing few loudmouths with the entire nation.
Poland receives significant allocation because it’s a large, important geopolitically country that of all countries east of Berlin uses the funds very well. It’s a good investment, not wasteful spending.
ManianaDictador on
Just because EU “gives” you money it does not mean you get it to hand. Poland pays that money into EU in the first place. Second, EU “gives” you that money under the condition that you spend it in Germany. Did you know that statistically 80% of money Poland receives goes back to Germany? And the remaining 20% does not stay in Poland neither.
Negative_Toe1336 on
It’s no charity. Only a moron would believe they do it because they like Poland so much
Tracerneo on
Now show us what it is per capita.
ProFentanylActivist on
I mean look at the replies and you got your answer. In the minds of many here Germany is behind the scheme to only rob Poland or something.
Incorrigible_Gaymer on
Well, there may be other reasons of people’s discontent than just money, like certain policies, lack of transparency, “legislative diarrhoea”, controversies, corporate lobbying, ever growing bureaucracy.
There are two types of “anti-EU” people:
– the actual eurosceptics, who hate it as a whole
– so called “soft eurosceptics” , who don’t hate the very concept of the EU, but aren’t satisfied with the direction the EU is going.
What I don’t like about the current discourse, is labeling people who criticise certain aspects of the EU as “anti-EU” (which is not necessarily the case), as if no criticism was allowed.
These-Search5288 on
There are people for whom money is not everything? Crazy
im-always-lying on
Who would stand to gain the most from an exit?
warmus01 on
From the comments here and elsewhere recently it’s so obvious there is a new Russian troll offensive. Literarily every upvoted on a new post is saying the exact same, completely stupid anti-eu bullshit.
Wait till Poland stops being the biggest net direct beneficiary. Work done now by troll farms is setting up for that moment, should be painfully obvious with anyone with more than a couple of brain cells.
Coalescent74 on
I can give you some arguments against the EU – in 2027 the ETS2 system comes into force – it will make heating homes with fossil fuels significantly more expensive – my family heat our home with a coal furnace – so far it has been the cheapest option in Poland especially when you were off-grid when it comes to natural gas – we are not rich and we will have to spend about 2000 PLN more on heating every year (which is a serious expense for us) – until now the coal we were using for heating cost us about 2500 PLN yearly (with some additional wood) – the ETS2 scheme is going to be even more expensive in time (the 2000 PLN (500 euro) a year for us is just a start in 2027)
it is more than coal in ETS2 – we will have to pay more for fuel for our car (about 0.5 PLN per litre IIRC) – we cannot afford buying an electric car not to mention that we would have to spend some more on a recharging station which I don’t even know is technically possible in our home
there are some other issues that will not directly affect myself and my family instantly, but will affect the Polish economy (not that ETS2 will not affect Polish economy – there are several million households in Poland that use coal for heating in the cold season) – these are for example EU-Mercosure trade treaty and EU-Ukraine trade treaty that are pushed by the European Commission
that are EU policies that affect the Polish economy even now – in particular ETS (the predecessor to ETS2) – as a result of ETS electric power in Poland is more than 20 per cent more expensive than without the ETS which makes electric power prices in Poland the most expensive in Europe for bigger businesses (in Poland unlike in most other European countries the electric energy prices for consumers are significantly cheaper than that for businesses)
thanks to the ETS Polish steel industry is already on its last legs (with a couple of foundries already closed) – which I hope you understand means loosing jobs (as well as industrial potential)
there is also this less spectacular issue that Polish contribution to the EU budget is constantly rising – in 2024 we paid more than 8 billion euros into the EU, while we recieved about 10.6 billion in transfers from the EU – that gives us a balance of about 1.6 billion euros – for comparison the overall income of the Polish budget was over 150 billion euros
while Poland receives the most in the transfers from the EU in global terms, the per capita approach doesn’t look this impressive at all (don’t have the exact data now but we are at the bottom end of the Eastern Europan EU countries when it comes to the EU transfers per capita)
one last thing: what we are talking about is a DRAFT of the EU budget – it will be subject to negotiations within the EU still – so let’s talk when it is accepted
LucianFromWilno on
Can I get per capita ?
LiteratureFew5805 on
Germany has already turned down this budget, and honestly, what really matters is the per capita distribution. There are just too many of us in Poland xd It might actually make sense to split Poland into smaller countries – something closer in size to the Baltic states, since it’s usually the small countries that benefit the most xD
MittchelDraco on
Look at Germany or France- they get all the perks and basically most of EU gives them money or uses their services for the cash “given” by EU.
Yet thanks or because of the crappy EU migration policies, its tenfold times safer to roam the streets of Warsaw than these of Berlin or Paris.
Hmmmm wonder why?
And people stop caring about cash, when they don’t feel safe in their own country.
RyuzakiPL on
People are dumb, naive and very easily manipulated. EU is the best thing that happened to Poland in centuries. It’s better in every way, but people don’t remember that. They don’t remember how it was before. What they do remember is far right a-holes constantly fearmongering and talking about bad EU regulating cucumbers etc. They screamed about LED lights, now everyone uses them and wouldn’t go back, but nobody has two braincells to rub against each other to notice how the antiEU people talked about them.
Juding by the recent elections and rising support for outright fascist and Holocaust deniers, I’ve just lost hope. I don’t have kids, so there’s nobody I care that will suffer in the future and whatever they do, the negative consequences will take a few decades to actually hit us in the face, so hopefully I’ll get a heart attack, or get hit by a truck (I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a isekai-style next life, lol) before that.
BackgroundLeading986 on
“further integration” is the main reason why people don’t like EU.
Personally I like the EU idea. I am 46, I remember times before EU, 20% unemployment, high crime, sad looking streets etc. EU allowed me to leave Poland, to see other countries. Now when I come to Poland I see how it changed, it looks more Western than Western countries, also thanks to EU money.
What I don’t like is pressure by other countries on Poland. Other countries thinking they can criticize us, push some rules on us, make us do things that we don’t necessarily want to do, and seems like some countries think they can dictate their will to others. Yet the countries that criticize us can’t keep order in their own land.
Each country is unique in it’s own way, and why can’t it stay this way? Cooperation, mutual respect, freedom. This is how EU should be, while it looks like it;s going towards stripping us of our independence. I wouldn’t want EU to collapse, I’d like it to be common sense with respect to each member’s rights and will (obviously with common sense here as well).
GlokzDNB on
Lol, we are one of biggest markets in Europe giving back more than they give us. Our companies have been bought out for pennies
DeathRabit86 on
per capita netto Poland is on 10th place
per citizen 191 Euro in 2023
Appropriate_Okra8189 on
Hell yeah, get that bread baby, polska gurom
StantonNey on
EU money buys a country’s blind approval/compliance.
We will receive 123 per 7 years, it’s around 17.5 per year, we will pay around 10 per year plus we will give our income from selling rights to carbon emissions which is around 5 per year, and we will give 15% income from tax on tobacco which is around 1.5, and other taxes. So frankly i.m not sure if we will receive more than we will have to pay.
Familiar-Key-4148 on
whilce incompetent is kinda true, how is it undemocratic and lacking transparency? and corrupt? not to mention it’s nothing compared to polish goverment (especially the previous one of PiS)
NaFo_Operator on
its owed to us for the little thing called WWII and 50 years of russia
drnnisnilss on
Umm Poland is not on the list from your screenshot. But being here in Poland as a tourist it’s a bloody great country and if anyone deserves investment it’s Poland, they know what to do with it
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Because people have short memories.
They would do well to remember before the single market
Because the money being given doesn’t come free…..
Just because EU “gives” money, doesn’t mean it also doesn’t do dumb shit. You can be in favor of EU but still criticize it for the mistakes it does.
It’s a high % long term loan 🙂 And unfortunately the most of this money won’t be well spent.
Clients pay you extra, how can you have a problem with their fetishes?!
Poland is one of the most pro-European Union countries. You’re confusing few loudmouths with the entire nation.
Poland receives significant allocation because it’s a large, important geopolitically country that of all countries east of Berlin uses the funds very well. It’s a good investment, not wasteful spending.
Just because EU “gives” you money it does not mean you get it to hand. Poland pays that money into EU in the first place. Second, EU “gives” you that money under the condition that you spend it in Germany. Did you know that statistically 80% of money Poland receives goes back to Germany? And the remaining 20% does not stay in Poland neither.
It’s no charity. Only a moron would believe they do it because they like Poland so much
Now show us what it is per capita.
I mean look at the replies and you got your answer. In the minds of many here Germany is behind the scheme to only rob Poland or something.
Well, there may be other reasons of people’s discontent than just money, like certain policies, lack of transparency, “legislative diarrhoea”, controversies, corporate lobbying, ever growing bureaucracy.
There are two types of “anti-EU” people:
– the actual eurosceptics, who hate it as a whole
– so called “soft eurosceptics” , who don’t hate the very concept of the EU, but aren’t satisfied with the direction the EU is going.
What I don’t like about the current discourse, is labeling people who criticise certain aspects of the EU as “anti-EU” (which is not necessarily the case), as if no criticism was allowed.
There are people for whom money is not everything? Crazy
Who would stand to gain the most from an exit?
From the comments here and elsewhere recently it’s so obvious there is a new Russian troll offensive. Literarily every upvoted on a new post is saying the exact same, completely stupid anti-eu bullshit.
Wait till Poland stops being the biggest net direct beneficiary. Work done now by troll farms is setting up for that moment, should be painfully obvious with anyone with more than a couple of brain cells.
I can give you some arguments against the EU – in 2027 the ETS2 system comes into force – it will make heating homes with fossil fuels significantly more expensive – my family heat our home with a coal furnace – so far it has been the cheapest option in Poland especially when you were off-grid when it comes to natural gas – we are not rich and we will have to spend about 2000 PLN more on heating every year (which is a serious expense for us) – until now the coal we were using for heating cost us about 2500 PLN yearly (with some additional wood) – the ETS2 scheme is going to be even more expensive in time (the 2000 PLN (500 euro) a year for us is just a start in 2027)
it is more than coal in ETS2 – we will have to pay more for fuel for our car (about 0.5 PLN per litre IIRC) – we cannot afford buying an electric car not to mention that we would have to spend some more on a recharging station which I don’t even know is technically possible in our home
there are some other issues that will not directly affect myself and my family instantly, but will affect the Polish economy (not that ETS2 will not affect Polish economy – there are several million households in Poland that use coal for heating in the cold season) – these are for example EU-Mercosure trade treaty and EU-Ukraine trade treaty that are pushed by the European Commission
that are EU policies that affect the Polish economy even now – in particular ETS (the predecessor to ETS2) – as a result of ETS electric power in Poland is more than 20 per cent more expensive than without the ETS which makes electric power prices in Poland the most expensive in Europe for bigger businesses (in Poland unlike in most other European countries the electric energy prices for consumers are significantly cheaper than that for businesses)
thanks to the ETS Polish steel industry is already on its last legs (with a couple of foundries already closed) – which I hope you understand means loosing jobs (as well as industrial potential)
there is also this less spectacular issue that Polish contribution to the EU budget is constantly rising – in 2024 we paid more than 8 billion euros into the EU, while we recieved about 10.6 billion in transfers from the EU – that gives us a balance of about 1.6 billion euros – for comparison the overall income of the Polish budget was over 150 billion euros
while Poland receives the most in the transfers from the EU in global terms, the per capita approach doesn’t look this impressive at all (don’t have the exact data now but we are at the bottom end of the Eastern Europan EU countries when it comes to the EU transfers per capita)
one last thing: what we are talking about is a DRAFT of the EU budget – it will be subject to negotiations within the EU still – so let’s talk when it is accepted
Can I get per capita ?
Germany has already turned down this budget, and honestly, what really matters is the per capita distribution. There are just too many of us in Poland xd It might actually make sense to split Poland into smaller countries – something closer in size to the Baltic states, since it’s usually the small countries that benefit the most xD
Look at Germany or France- they get all the perks and basically most of EU gives them money or uses their services for the cash “given” by EU.
Yet thanks or because of the crappy EU migration policies, its tenfold times safer to roam the streets of Warsaw than these of Berlin or Paris.
Hmmmm wonder why?
And people stop caring about cash, when they don’t feel safe in their own country.
People are dumb, naive and very easily manipulated. EU is the best thing that happened to Poland in centuries. It’s better in every way, but people don’t remember that. They don’t remember how it was before. What they do remember is far right a-holes constantly fearmongering and talking about bad EU regulating cucumbers etc. They screamed about LED lights, now everyone uses them and wouldn’t go back, but nobody has two braincells to rub against each other to notice how the antiEU people talked about them.
Juding by the recent elections and rising support for outright fascist and Holocaust deniers, I’ve just lost hope. I don’t have kids, so there’s nobody I care that will suffer in the future and whatever they do, the negative consequences will take a few decades to actually hit us in the face, so hopefully I’ll get a heart attack, or get hit by a truck (I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a isekai-style next life, lol) before that.
“further integration” is the main reason why people don’t like EU.
Personally I like the EU idea. I am 46, I remember times before EU, 20% unemployment, high crime, sad looking streets etc. EU allowed me to leave Poland, to see other countries. Now when I come to Poland I see how it changed, it looks more Western than Western countries, also thanks to EU money.
What I don’t like is pressure by other countries on Poland. Other countries thinking they can criticize us, push some rules on us, make us do things that we don’t necessarily want to do, and seems like some countries think they can dictate their will to others. Yet the countries that criticize us can’t keep order in their own land.
Each country is unique in it’s own way, and why can’t it stay this way? Cooperation, mutual respect, freedom. This is how EU should be, while it looks like it;s going towards stripping us of our independence. I wouldn’t want EU to collapse, I’d like it to be common sense with respect to each member’s rights and will (obviously with common sense here as well).
Lol, we are one of biggest markets in Europe giving back more than they give us. Our companies have been bought out for pennies
per capita netto Poland is on 10th place
per citizen 191 Euro in 2023
Hell yeah, get that bread baby, polska gurom
EU money buys a country’s blind approval/compliance.
https://preview.redd.it/zfa0c3af0pdf1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4076eb60ee39a60ae1cdc12a8ff7fb666a29cc65
There’s per capita
From r/europe
We will receive 123 per 7 years, it’s around 17.5 per year, we will pay around 10 per year plus we will give our income from selling rights to carbon emissions which is around 5 per year, and we will give 15% income from tax on tobacco which is around 1.5, and other taxes. So frankly i.m not sure if we will receive more than we will have to pay.
whilce incompetent is kinda true, how is it undemocratic and lacking transparency? and corrupt? not to mention it’s nothing compared to polish goverment (especially the previous one of PiS)
its owed to us for the little thing called WWII and 50 years of russia
Umm Poland is not on the list from your screenshot. But being here in Poland as a tourist it’s a bloody great country and if anyone deserves investment it’s Poland, they know what to do with it