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  1. Any-Memory2630 on

    I reckon splitting the left wing vote is the perfect way to beat them, Jeremy.

    It’s a bit rich coming from a brexiter but what do I know.

  2. If I was focused on winning an election the last person I’d take advice from is Corbyn.

  3. HerefordLives on

    I mean a majority of the public are furious about immigration. Starmer can’t just say ‘oh shut up it’s completely fine’ and win an election.

  4. Jaded_Strain_3753 on

    I agree with him in the sense that Labour should be focusing on a message of hope rather than fear. Doom-mongering just plays into Reforms hand, and the UK isn’t in as bad shape as some people make out (it’s not in great shape either).

  5. He isn’t wrong. Starmer’s strategy has always been to play a game of Simon Says with the right-wing. He’s a cosplay Tory after all.

  6. BreakfastAdept9462 on

    And he’s right. Concessions after concessions to the right. Keeps reinforcing bullshit narratives rather than actually making positive change that addresses social and economic problems. And trust me, I speak to these Reform voters, they despise him regardless. You might as well commit to your beliefs (if they even exist) and defend them.

  7. Problem is they will gain a lot of support but the media will ignore them unless to criticize them, you’ll unlikely ever see any of them on Question Time, come election time they probably won’t even be invited to any debates (maybe the odd one where its a lot of them) but the majority will be lab/tory/reform/lib

    Any votes they do get will be taken from mostly labour and this will likely just pull labour out of winning and give Reform an easy win.

    I get the whole argument we need to vote for who we actually want but what happens then is you end up putting the worst possible people in power, just to gain a few seats which won’t change anything.

    Yeah we’ll get a term of Reform and they’ll do so bad, come next election, Corbyns party could do really well and might even stand a chance.

    The sacrifice of even giving Reform a term in power isn’t worth it, the amount of damage these people would do, would take decades and decades to repair and stuff like climate change, cost of living, the NHS doesn’t have that time. Its a terrible system that we have to feel like we need to vote for lesser evil.

  8. Appropriate-Divide64 on

    He’s right though. We don’t need another reform. We have reform and their voters aren’t swing voters.

    Labour need to lean into populism and not the right wing kind. They seem to be doing their best to please absolutely no one and think that’s being in the centre.

  9. RockTheBloat on

    All labour need to change after Corbyn was the leadership. The policies were popular, the political environment was ripe for it and a charismatic leader on the left of the party would have won the election and headed off reform.

  10. The problem with this whole thing is that – yes it matter who wins GEs but – you don’t really win as a country by not letting a massive proportion of your population have their voices heard. Sure, I don’t want Reform to win, at all. But the idea that listening to Reform voters and taking their concerns seriously is some kind of appeasement, rather than how democracy should ideally work, is a bit cynical in my view. People who have that opinion have spent too many years in politics I think.

    For me, Labour should look at the concerns of Reform voters, and then see if the issues can be addressed within a framework oriented around Labour’s values and priorities. Not simply ignore a load of the British public for 4 years, and hope that they can win another election without their support to extend the amount of time they can ignore them for to 8 years. That’s shit, and a recipe for division and decline.

  11. Is there a difference? It’s just shifting the party line to capture or recapture voters. You can’t “beat” public opinion, right?

  12. WhalingSmithers00 on

    You’ve got to appease the anti-immigration sentiment amongst the public. It’s a democracy and it’s so many peoples number one issue that it’s the issue they will base their vote on.

    If Corbyn can’t see that or is unwilling to deal with it then his party is set up to take a few left leaning votes off labour, secure his MP salary and nothing more. They aren’t serious about making a difference