A few months is barely enough time to get planning permission, unless they’re planning on very quickly ripping up the planning legislation on day 1.
You can’t just quickly build houses anymore, you’re just not allowed to.
sbos_ on
With what money and where? How? This sort of talk close to election is dangerous too. NIMBIES will not like it l
Questjon on
The key word is start. Skipping lunch is starting a diet but it’s not the same as losing weight. There are a myriad of problems in our house building sector, land shortage, overwhelmed infrastructure, skills shortage and crucially the people who need homes don’t have any spare money so who is paying to build them?
glaringOwl on
I’d rather they focus on reviving derelict buildings and city centres that have been killed in the past 15 years.
JayR_97 on
Are they going to do anything about reducing immigration as well? Trying to catch up with the supply side while demand is still increasing is a losing battle
PODnoaura on
Broadly a good idea. The pinch point in development is planning, if central govt bulldozes people who try to block local developments* housebuilding should be hugely profitable due to prices being demand pull driven.
I’m not a fan of ‘affordable housing’, it’s mostly a euphemism for ‘tiny&shit-but-still-very-expensive’, and ends up adding more low eceonomy households to areas with already plenty. A sort of ‘poor people live here so let’s build more tiny houses for them’ circle of shitholery. And I suspect this’ll be an argument, with every nonurban MP saying ‘yes, but not _here,_ this isn’t the right place for it’. And I doubt the govt will take the opportunity to use their ability to override planning and make big profits for the treasury by building houses in the Cotswolds.
But, overall, a good idea. Needs strong leadership to force it through without faffing. Not sure Starmers’ personality is ideal for that (hell, he helped stop HS2 going through his constituency), but the big fat Labour majority we’re on target for _is_ good for it, they could afford a few rebels and still pass stuff easily. Theoretically they could even get nasty with it, cram them in Cons constituencies….there are plenty of wealthy places in the home counties that could use a lot more housing. Hope these get built where house prices are _highest_, ‘cos that’s where the demand is.
*unfortunately this includes a lot of MPs, including Labour MPs.
ferrel_hadley on
Now watch the penny drop at CPHQ and they realise that the GDP boost from house building, plus the needed infrastructure plus the huge demand from people means that being on board with the NIMBYs is no longer the election winner it was.
Then we shall see how fast they scramble for photoshoots in front of 50 new £750 000 houses in Basingstoke claiming to have fixed London’s housing crisis.
House building is how Labour can get the GDP moving again and can appeal to a big chunk of voters without really having to come up with politically difficult choices for cuts in one place for spending in another.
Affectionate_Show873 on
No mention of immigration policy yet. They have not given any concrete answers on whether they will cut numbers
Artales on
Believe at your peril. There will be no ‘social’ housing programme.
HereticLaserHaggis on
I just want there to be so many houses that they’re a shit investment.
Disastrous_Fruit1525 on
Labour building houses. Pull the other one. No mention on how this will be funded.
Gekkers on
Stop fucking lying to us all the time. Just tell the truth. You want to build homes. How many? Where? And how long? I’m sick of the stupid mind games. My god the sheer narcissism on politicians to think we believe their tripe
vario_ on
Does anyone else feel like houses get built too quickly without considering other things that people/towns need to exist? My town has had so many housing estates built over the years but still only two GP surgeries, three primary schools and one secondary school. The primary school I work at built an expansion for four new classrooms and it’s already full again.
RS_Mk3 on
They’ll say anything. All of them have yet to fulfil their promises. Absolute joke
OrcaResistence on
As long as they use modern standards, like not emphasising car dependancies and have robust cycling and pedestrian infrastructure along with green spaces then im all for it. Our towns and cities need to be modernised heavily.
jungleboy1234 on
Tories were always stuck between a rock and a hard place. One side, they have housebuilding doners the other side they have over 60s Nimbyism.
They tried to please both and it obviously failed.
Nationally both parties have put all their eggs in one basket by bringing all sorts of investment and initiatives all centered around London and the SE, nowhere else. There are enough houses to fit us all in, problem is who is gonna live in the middle of nowhere.
If Labour don’t get swayed by the two stakeholders then yes they could pull it off. They also need to make sure every city has unique “wow” factor e.g. xx city is the centre of car making, xx for AI, xx for this and that…
Infrastructure needs to be spread, and stop the neoliberalism pls!
going_down_leg on
If they don’t remove the right to buy nonsense then the whole project will be a failure regardless of how many the build
ionetic on
As always, judge a politician on what they do, not what they say they’ll do.
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A few months is barely enough time to get planning permission, unless they’re planning on very quickly ripping up the planning legislation on day 1.
You can’t just quickly build houses anymore, you’re just not allowed to.
With what money and where? How? This sort of talk close to election is dangerous too. NIMBIES will not like it l
The key word is start. Skipping lunch is starting a diet but it’s not the same as losing weight. There are a myriad of problems in our house building sector, land shortage, overwhelmed infrastructure, skills shortage and crucially the people who need homes don’t have any spare money so who is paying to build them?
I’d rather they focus on reviving derelict buildings and city centres that have been killed in the past 15 years.
Are they going to do anything about reducing immigration as well? Trying to catch up with the supply side while demand is still increasing is a losing battle
Broadly a good idea. The pinch point in development is planning, if central govt bulldozes people who try to block local developments* housebuilding should be hugely profitable due to prices being demand pull driven.
I’m not a fan of ‘affordable housing’, it’s mostly a euphemism for ‘tiny&shit-but-still-very-expensive’, and ends up adding more low eceonomy households to areas with already plenty. A sort of ‘poor people live here so let’s build more tiny houses for them’ circle of shitholery. And I suspect this’ll be an argument, with every nonurban MP saying ‘yes, but not _here,_ this isn’t the right place for it’. And I doubt the govt will take the opportunity to use their ability to override planning and make big profits for the treasury by building houses in the Cotswolds.
But, overall, a good idea. Needs strong leadership to force it through without faffing. Not sure Starmers’ personality is ideal for that (hell, he helped stop HS2 going through his constituency), but the big fat Labour majority we’re on target for _is_ good for it, they could afford a few rebels and still pass stuff easily. Theoretically they could even get nasty with it, cram them in Cons constituencies….there are plenty of wealthy places in the home counties that could use a lot more housing. Hope these get built where house prices are _highest_, ‘cos that’s where the demand is.
*unfortunately this includes a lot of MPs, including Labour MPs.
Now watch the penny drop at CPHQ and they realise that the GDP boost from house building, plus the needed infrastructure plus the huge demand from people means that being on board with the NIMBYs is no longer the election winner it was.
Then we shall see how fast they scramble for photoshoots in front of 50 new £750 000 houses in Basingstoke claiming to have fixed London’s housing crisis.
House building is how Labour can get the GDP moving again and can appeal to a big chunk of voters without really having to come up with politically difficult choices for cuts in one place for spending in another.
No mention of immigration policy yet. They have not given any concrete answers on whether they will cut numbers
Believe at your peril. There will be no ‘social’ housing programme.
I just want there to be so many houses that they’re a shit investment.
Labour building houses. Pull the other one. No mention on how this will be funded.
Stop fucking lying to us all the time. Just tell the truth. You want to build homes. How many? Where? And how long? I’m sick of the stupid mind games. My god the sheer narcissism on politicians to think we believe their tripe
Does anyone else feel like houses get built too quickly without considering other things that people/towns need to exist? My town has had so many housing estates built over the years but still only two GP surgeries, three primary schools and one secondary school. The primary school I work at built an expansion for four new classrooms and it’s already full again.
They’ll say anything. All of them have yet to fulfil their promises. Absolute joke
As long as they use modern standards, like not emphasising car dependancies and have robust cycling and pedestrian infrastructure along with green spaces then im all for it. Our towns and cities need to be modernised heavily.
Tories were always stuck between a rock and a hard place. One side, they have housebuilding doners the other side they have over 60s Nimbyism.
They tried to please both and it obviously failed.
Nationally both parties have put all their eggs in one basket by bringing all sorts of investment and initiatives all centered around London and the SE, nowhere else. There are enough houses to fit us all in, problem is who is gonna live in the middle of nowhere.
If Labour don’t get swayed by the two stakeholders then yes they could pull it off. They also need to make sure every city has unique “wow” factor e.g. xx city is the centre of car making, xx for AI, xx for this and that…
Infrastructure needs to be spread, and stop the neoliberalism pls!
If they don’t remove the right to buy nonsense then the whole project will be a failure regardless of how many the build
As always, judge a politician on what they do, not what they say they’ll do.