Nah as long as labour supports the Online Safety Act, Reform will win
Krabsandwich on
Flash in the pan springs to mind, still a while to the GE but if Reform is losing support now its not looking good.
SlightlyAngyKitty on
Meet the new self serving party who doesn’t give a shit about young people, same as the old party
Doctordelayus on
Farage wants us to have a similar healthcare to America, fuck that
He’s also an untrustworthy snake, there’s actually no good party (that I’m aware of) to vote for… how annoying
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
Just looking at the data now:
32% labour 30th June
24% labour 28th July
38% labour 18th August
31% greens 21st July
14% 8th August
Reform generally poll around the 10% mark for this age group but did have a peak early August, which appears to be anomaly.
It seems there’s quite a lot of fluctuations in a short period of time, and this is observed regardless of political party. However, there is a clear trend towards support for Labour, Liberal Democrats, and then Greens in that order.
GhostRiders on
Not to worry, they will get somebody to make a funny TikTok video and support will go racing back up..
Not saying that young people are stupid but am I saying thay are naive and have zero critical thinking skills.
CensorTheologiae on
Of course it has. They’re not dim and they want a future.
They can see through middle-aged bluster and bullshit better than anyone.
The question is, who’s going to offer them anything they want?
Efficient_Sky5173 on
Reform has nothing to offer. All puff and no pastry.
Nonoomi on
My bet is they learnt that Farage is an idiot who doesn’t know what’s he on about
tom-goddamn-bombadil on
Why is he making that face? Has he just tasted something unpleasant? Is it meant to be cheeky in a relatable sort of way, like “oh look at Nigel what a madlad haha”?
Is it an attempt at seduction? I know certain species of lizard make similar mating displays. Or it might be that little dinosaur from Jurassic Park I’m thinking of, you know the one, the unexpectedly deadly one with the sudden neck frill.
rainator on
Probably people were supporting them as a joke and then realised that the older people were genuinely serious about them.
Visa5e on
Relying on dissatisfaction with the government isn’t going to work unless you have concrete policies that people think are credible.
Relying on stirring up race wars isn’t going to cut it.
Noble_Titus on
Turns out xenophobia not so popular amongst young people.
Vdubnub88 on
Im not believing this. The other week it was support for reform amongst young people was at an all time high…
Lets just ignore shite articles like this, let the voters have their day young or old.
WheresWalldough on
Sigh.
Not sure why people post things from this ridiculous site.
Since June Yougov’s weekly results for 18-24 are:
* 11%
* 13%
* 9%
* 14%
* 11%
* 9%
* 8%
* 8%
* 14%
* 21%
* 12%
* 7%
Obviously young people aren’t actually that insanely fickle that their support for Reform triples in two weeks then goes back down to what it was before two weeks after that.
It’s simply statistical noise – sample variations, probably a small subsample size giving a very high confidence interval on any of the numbers.
Next week, the sample is likely to be higher than 7%. “The London Economic” won’t report on this because it doesn’t fit their agenda.
Obviously in fact Reform are **not** popular with the 18-24 group. That much is very clear. It’s just thick or dishonest to pretend that they were very popular and that that has suddenly collapsed.
Spamgrenade on
Well that’s marginally restored my faith in humanity.
chuffingnora on
I like the results but it’s one survey. I’d take with a pinch of salt
Kosmopolite on
Much as this is great to see, I’m as cynical as I would be if it were a poll I *wasn’t* happy about. I’m not convinced *YouGov* polls really give us any real sense of what’s going on in the public at large.
That having been said, I *do* hope this one is true. And that Farage is crying into his evening Corn Flakes as we speak.
FTXACCOUNTANT on
The boats have pretty much stopped so, apart from ruining the country’s infrastructure, what’s their beneficial policies now?
IMO the worst position for Labour to be in for attracting the votes of young people is to be in power. Because they’re now constrained by the responsibility of making what they promise a reality.
It should actually be easy for parties like Reform UK to steal vote share fir the young with a load of BS promises. It speaks for how much Reform are just gunning for Pensioners at the expense of the young, opposing green sustainable policies, and being giant NIMBYs.
If Reform UK get into power the one thing to be thankful is there’s least the same ticking time bomb on their demographics as the Tories. Plus lack of appeal outside of Farage himself.
pajamakitten on
They might be tough on immigration but their economic plans are terrible for young people and the country as a whole. They are against the NHS, the BBC, climate change etc. Farage is also a grifter and a lot of young people can spot that a mile off, which puts off a lot of them. Hopefully young people realise that Farage will tell them whatever they want to hear, even if he promises different things to different groups.
mightypup1974 on
Irrelevant if they don’t vote, and the young don’t vote.
Primary-Effect-3691 on
I’ll never get over that we had a 3ish year period where young people (men really) that thought they were fighting the man by voting for tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation for businesses. And returning to institutional religion.
Different_Lychee_409 on
If (& that’s a big if) Reform win the next election they’ll have to deal with the same challenges as the current government. The biggest problem is that there aren’t enough tax payers and too many codger boomers who need to be looked after.
We’ve had a demographic deficit for 50 years and the chickens are coming home to roost. Needless, they have absolutely no clue how to deal with it.
FlaviousTiberius on
This varies all over the place depending on the polling company, the recent Find Out Now one had the youth vote at around 28%
AverageFishEye on
There was also a big shift of tone in many right wing outlets on their view of farage. He is now labeled a self serving betrayer of the “cause” and fence sitter.
AttitudeSimilar9347 on
No one really supports Reform, they are a broom to sweep away the old parties. Once that is done new parties will form that people do actively support.
Kromovaracun on
That is quite the picture. Someone was sitting on that for a while.
Dull_World4255 on
I think Reform will struggle to win over the younger generation tbh. This is largely due to what the younger generation believe to be the most important issues for their specific age group (18-30) ie: being able to purchase a property, not having to pay extortionate rents, increased job opportunities and easy access to Europe in order to travel and/work. The issue with some of these is that it appears that this age group believe that one of Labour, the Lib Dems or even Corbyns party will provide all of these and do so without there being possible negative consequences for doing so.
– The current rate of unemployment for 18-25 year olds in the UK is 12%. The rate for the same age group in the EU is 14.7%. This will mean that British 18-25 year olds will eventually be faced with even greater competition for jobs once the youth mobility scheme comes into force.
– Yes, travel to and through the EU is about to become more difficult and also limited in terms of how long a person can continously stay at any one time. This is as a result of Brexit and the EUs anger at Britain voting to leave. Leaving the EU was always going to have negative consequences as Europe was always going to seek to punish the UK for voting to do so. I remember reading an article on Euronews.com in which they surveyed people from France, Germany, Spain and Italy. One of the surveys asked if the people polled thought the EU was being less cordial and seeking to punish Britain for voting to leave, 3 of the 4 countries voted ‘Yes’. Also, on average, only 1 out of 7 peoe believed the EU was better off with Britain out.
– Regarding cheaper rents, this won’t happen under Labour. A recent investigation showed that the Labour Party had the highest number of MP’s who own more than one property for the purpose of renting. One of the MP’s had 15 properties I believe and the former minister for homelessness, Rushanara Ali, evicted her tenants recently so she could hike up the rent and move new tenants in. She promptly stood down from her position give the utter hypocrisy of her behaviour. For clarity, 85 MP’s register themselves as landlords, 44 of those are Labour MP’s.
– Corbyn appears a popular choice for the younger generation, why? He has failed on two occasions to win a general election as his policies would totally bankrupt the country and thankfully, each time he ran even the most devoted Labour supporter could see what a bad choice he would have been. Also, whilst he claims to be against wealth, it was reported that his own net worth was in excess of £3m. He’s also not opposed to a acquiring wealth via the acquisition and re-sale of property ie: He once bought a place in North London for £363,000 and then looked to sell some years later for just under £1m….strange this, especially given he is a self-confessed Karl Marx fan. Karl Marx being the guy who did NOT believe in private property ownership.
– Then there’s the Lib Dems, a party I am considering voting for myself. The issue I have however is that I’m just not sure the Lib Dems are capable of governing this country or any other country, and I’m not sure they are either. They also seem to just want to jump back into the EU and could essentially be a slightly less worse option than the current government.
Personally, I think the next election will see a hung parliament and subsequently a Labour and Lib Dems coalition, which won’t be good for anyone.
Kind-Combination6197 on
They probably realised Farage would make them work for a living.
Furicist on
It’s a long time until the next general election.
Organisations like Reform, BNP, UKIP, dont have staying power. Controversies come out, policy turns out to be hollow, poor policies and generally an absolute dumpster fire.
People will surely see that other than polarising people with immigration and racism, Reforms other policies are absolutely not going to go down well with anyone, even the racists or xenophobes.
Immigration is a single issue amongst many issues. Videos where someone is interviewing Reform voters and asking them to name a single other policy they agree with and no one is able to name one. When the interviewer then outlines a policy the people are always absolutely surprised and disagree or shit themselves when they realise how terrible Reform policy is.
I think these things need clearly publicising.
Astriania on
Did they get around to reading some of their policies lol
Edit: though, seriously, this is pretty bad journalism given the actual data
planeloise on
Time for all the British media to double up their efforts platforming this party I guess
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Nah as long as labour supports the Online Safety Act, Reform will win
Flash in the pan springs to mind, still a while to the GE but if Reform is losing support now its not looking good.
Meet the new self serving party who doesn’t give a shit about young people, same as the old party
Farage wants us to have a similar healthcare to America, fuck that
He’s also an untrustworthy snake, there’s actually no good party (that I’m aware of) to vote for… how annoying
Just looking at the data now:
32% labour 30th June
24% labour 28th July
38% labour 18th August
31% greens 21st July
14% 8th August
Reform generally poll around the 10% mark for this age group but did have a peak early August, which appears to be anomaly.
It seems there’s quite a lot of fluctuations in a short period of time, and this is observed regardless of political party. However, there is a clear trend towards support for Labour, Liberal Democrats, and then Greens in that order.
Not to worry, they will get somebody to make a funny TikTok video and support will go racing back up..
Not saying that young people are stupid but am I saying thay are naive and have zero critical thinking skills.
Of course it has. They’re not dim and they want a future.
They can see through middle-aged bluster and bullshit better than anyone.
The question is, who’s going to offer them anything they want?
Reform has nothing to offer. All puff and no pastry.
My bet is they learnt that Farage is an idiot who doesn’t know what’s he on about
Why is he making that face? Has he just tasted something unpleasant? Is it meant to be cheeky in a relatable sort of way, like “oh look at Nigel what a madlad haha”?
Is it an attempt at seduction? I know certain species of lizard make similar mating displays. Or it might be that little dinosaur from Jurassic Park I’m thinking of, you know the one, the unexpectedly deadly one with the sudden neck frill.
Probably people were supporting them as a joke and then realised that the older people were genuinely serious about them.
Relying on dissatisfaction with the government isn’t going to work unless you have concrete policies that people think are credible.
Relying on stirring up race wars isn’t going to cut it.
Turns out xenophobia not so popular amongst young people.
Im not believing this. The other week it was support for reform amongst young people was at an all time high…
Lets just ignore shite articles like this, let the voters have their day young or old.
Sigh.
Not sure why people post things from this ridiculous site.
Since June Yougov’s weekly results for 18-24 are:
* 11%
* 13%
* 9%
* 14%
* 11%
* 9%
* 8%
* 8%
* 14%
* 21%
* 12%
* 7%
Obviously young people aren’t actually that insanely fickle that their support for Reform triples in two weeks then goes back down to what it was before two weeks after that.
It’s simply statistical noise – sample variations, probably a small subsample size giving a very high confidence interval on any of the numbers.
Next week, the sample is likely to be higher than 7%. “The London Economic” won’t report on this because it doesn’t fit their agenda.
Obviously in fact Reform are **not** popular with the 18-24 group. That much is very clear. It’s just thick or dishonest to pretend that they were very popular and that that has suddenly collapsed.
Well that’s marginally restored my faith in humanity.
I like the results but it’s one survey. I’d take with a pinch of salt
Much as this is great to see, I’m as cynical as I would be if it were a poll I *wasn’t* happy about. I’m not convinced *YouGov* polls really give us any real sense of what’s going on in the public at large.
That having been said, I *do* hope this one is true. And that Farage is crying into his evening Corn Flakes as we speak.
The boats have pretty much stopped so, apart from ruining the country’s infrastructure, what’s their beneficial policies now?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days
IMO the worst position for Labour to be in for attracting the votes of young people is to be in power. Because they’re now constrained by the responsibility of making what they promise a reality.
It should actually be easy for parties like Reform UK to steal vote share fir the young with a load of BS promises. It speaks for how much Reform are just gunning for Pensioners at the expense of the young, opposing green sustainable policies, and being giant NIMBYs.
If Reform UK get into power the one thing to be thankful is there’s least the same ticking time bomb on their demographics as the Tories. Plus lack of appeal outside of Farage himself.
They might be tough on immigration but their economic plans are terrible for young people and the country as a whole. They are against the NHS, the BBC, climate change etc. Farage is also a grifter and a lot of young people can spot that a mile off, which puts off a lot of them. Hopefully young people realise that Farage will tell them whatever they want to hear, even if he promises different things to different groups.
Irrelevant if they don’t vote, and the young don’t vote.
I’ll never get over that we had a 3ish year period where young people (men really) that thought they were fighting the man by voting for tax cuts for the wealthy and deregulation for businesses. And returning to institutional religion.
If (& that’s a big if) Reform win the next election they’ll have to deal with the same challenges as the current government. The biggest problem is that there aren’t enough tax payers and too many codger boomers who need to be looked after.
We’ve had a demographic deficit for 50 years and the chickens are coming home to roost. Needless, they have absolutely no clue how to deal with it.
This varies all over the place depending on the polling company, the recent Find Out Now one had the youth vote at around 28%
There was also a big shift of tone in many right wing outlets on their view of farage. He is now labeled a self serving betrayer of the “cause” and fence sitter.
No one really supports Reform, they are a broom to sweep away the old parties. Once that is done new parties will form that people do actively support.
That is quite the picture. Someone was sitting on that for a while.
I think Reform will struggle to win over the younger generation tbh. This is largely due to what the younger generation believe to be the most important issues for their specific age group (18-30) ie: being able to purchase a property, not having to pay extortionate rents, increased job opportunities and easy access to Europe in order to travel and/work. The issue with some of these is that it appears that this age group believe that one of Labour, the Lib Dems or even Corbyns party will provide all of these and do so without there being possible negative consequences for doing so.
– The current rate of unemployment for 18-25 year olds in the UK is 12%. The rate for the same age group in the EU is 14.7%. This will mean that British 18-25 year olds will eventually be faced with even greater competition for jobs once the youth mobility scheme comes into force.
– Yes, travel to and through the EU is about to become more difficult and also limited in terms of how long a person can continously stay at any one time. This is as a result of Brexit and the EUs anger at Britain voting to leave. Leaving the EU was always going to have negative consequences as Europe was always going to seek to punish the UK for voting to do so. I remember reading an article on Euronews.com in which they surveyed people from France, Germany, Spain and Italy. One of the surveys asked if the people polled thought the EU was being less cordial and seeking to punish Britain for voting to leave, 3 of the 4 countries voted ‘Yes’. Also, on average, only 1 out of 7 peoe believed the EU was better off with Britain out.
– Regarding cheaper rents, this won’t happen under Labour. A recent investigation showed that the Labour Party had the highest number of MP’s who own more than one property for the purpose of renting. One of the MP’s had 15 properties I believe and the former minister for homelessness, Rushanara Ali, evicted her tenants recently so she could hike up the rent and move new tenants in. She promptly stood down from her position give the utter hypocrisy of her behaviour. For clarity, 85 MP’s register themselves as landlords, 44 of those are Labour MP’s.
– Corbyn appears a popular choice for the younger generation, why? He has failed on two occasions to win a general election as his policies would totally bankrupt the country and thankfully, each time he ran even the most devoted Labour supporter could see what a bad choice he would have been. Also, whilst he claims to be against wealth, it was reported that his own net worth was in excess of £3m. He’s also not opposed to a acquiring wealth via the acquisition and re-sale of property ie: He once bought a place in North London for £363,000 and then looked to sell some years later for just under £1m….strange this, especially given he is a self-confessed Karl Marx fan. Karl Marx being the guy who did NOT believe in private property ownership.
– Then there’s the Lib Dems, a party I am considering voting for myself. The issue I have however is that I’m just not sure the Lib Dems are capable of governing this country or any other country, and I’m not sure they are either. They also seem to just want to jump back into the EU and could essentially be a slightly less worse option than the current government.
Personally, I think the next election will see a hung parliament and subsequently a Labour and Lib Dems coalition, which won’t be good for anyone.
They probably realised Farage would make them work for a living.
It’s a long time until the next general election.
Organisations like Reform, BNP, UKIP, dont have staying power. Controversies come out, policy turns out to be hollow, poor policies and generally an absolute dumpster fire.
People will surely see that other than polarising people with immigration and racism, Reforms other policies are absolutely not going to go down well with anyone, even the racists or xenophobes.
Immigration is a single issue amongst many issues. Videos where someone is interviewing Reform voters and asking them to name a single other policy they agree with and no one is able to name one. When the interviewer then outlines a policy the people are always absolutely surprised and disagree or shit themselves when they realise how terrible Reform policy is.
I think these things need clearly publicising.
Did they get around to reading some of their policies lol
Edit: though, seriously, this is pretty bad journalism given the actual data
Time for all the British media to double up their efforts platforming this party I guess