Labour need to rake in the Muslim vote. It will be defined, and labour will call anyone that disagrees with it an islamaphobic racist.
Labour doesn’t care about blasphemy, Labour cares about votes, and that’s the driving force as they know the muslim vote is rapidly growing
GnolRevilo on
Blasphemy laws are attempting a comeback in the year 2025, aren’t we lucky that Labour are doing this only to take back the Muslim vote after haemorrhaging them due to the Gaza debacle.
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Hopeful_Stay_5276 on
Looking at the current state of the economy, and that Labour are too busy trying to appease Reform voters to actually tackle the economic issues, frankly I think Labour are actively trying to cause social unrest.
It’ll certainly help them with their push to curb personal freedoms and online privacy if it were to all kick off.
FlyWayOrDaHighway on
Labour could get massive amounts of the Muslim vote if they condemned the literal genocidal actions of Israel but instead they will add blasphemy laws which alienates the other side of the voter base just for a tiny increase in the Muslim vote, less than if they condemned literal war crimes.
Lmao Kier Starmer is a fucking moron
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TheNoGnome on
Mate, at this point every issue the right wing go on about “risks social disorder”.
Someone somewhere really wants you to riot. And it’s not the Kaiser Chiefs this time.
I suggest instead a peaceful democracy where various views are respected and individuals’ rights are valuable.
LifeMasterpiece6475 on
There should be no laws that stop criticism of religion, any religion.
There are already laws to stop people threatening other people. They should be enough. Discussion should never be censored.
Just remember that various religions in the past have stood against, vaccinations, blood transfusions, organ donation, contraception, and even anaesthetics is on a very long list.
If we had laws back in the day to stop criticism of religion maybe we won’t have all those things.
Piod1 on
Criticism of imaginary friends and their application in the real world is not a crime in the UK any longer and never should be again. Centuries of murder, torture, and mutilation for questions or criticism of the Abrahamic cults are not so far behind us. Other areas of the world still have real-life implications for such actions. Let us move forwards not in reverse.
Cersei-Lannisterr on
If they make it such a definition, then criticising fundamentalism will fall under it. Which will mean there’s no stopping extremism.
TheLyam on
Remember the outrage over Labour’s apparent antisemitism problem. Why is that more important?
AnalThermometer on
Although this isn’t a law itself… the way it interacts with existing law probably makes it close enough to one and it will likely be issued as guidance to police, as from what I can tell the antisemitism version of this is used in identifying potential hate crimes. I’d estimate lawyers could point to the Islamophobia definition as grounds that someone is insulting and “grossly offensive” enough to be pinned with something under the Public Order Act or Communications Act.
Armodeen on
There will be social unrest because the billionaire controlled press will make sure of it
Wise_Commission_4817 on
Islamaphobia aka having any criticisms of their religion
So a blasphemy law, but only them? All other religions fair game though? They’d have to be really stupid to do this it’s like they only want the one term
steepleton on
The issue is You can’t carve out special status for anti semitism without carving out special status for everyone else.
A government can’t play favourites .
You either protect all ancient ridiculous beliefs or you don’t
DukePPUk on
I thought we didn’t allow opinion pieces here?
> Britain will face social unrest and **a perception** of a two-tier society if the government pushes ahead with plans **to come up with** a formal definition of Islamophobia, the head of a new campaign group has warned.
This whole issue is so pathetic. The Government has asked a working group to come up with a *non-binding*, *non-legal* definition of “Islamophobia”, and before we’ve seen what they’ve suggested, never mind before the Government has taken any steps to accept their recommendation, we are already being told it is terrible.
Look at how weaselly this guy’s words are:
> We are seeing a sense of people being very unhappy about two-tier application of the law, two-tier society,… The same narrative is being **potentially, I’m hearing**, it’s being used around this definition. Why are Muslims getting extra protection? Why do they have to have more laws?
That’s almost Donald Trump levels of weaselling.
> It creates a sense of a deeply chilling effect, where people are scared to raise things about religion, which can be used against them, and where digital traces can be placed online that are difficult to remove,… It creates a vastly, deeply problematic element of a chilling effect in society. It doesn’t matter whether it’s statutory or non-statutory.
What does? Nothing has happened yet! We don’t even know what might happen?
Would the Times run the same article about a definition of anti-Semitism? Or homophobia? I would say transphobia, but we know they’d be more than happy to publish an article criticising that…
> The government faced criticism for attempting to limit public input into the plans by circulating a call for evidence to only a limited number of groups. But its plans were derailed after Claire Coutinho, the shadow equalities minister, found a link to the online consultation form and circulated it widely.
Oh boy. The Government tried to cover this up by… making the consultation publicly available online.
So pathetic.
Jonatc87 on
how convinient it’s civil unrest during labour and not during tories. How convinient they keep pushing reforms voice.
The-Gothic-Owl on
You can criticise a religion without being blatantly racist, it’s really not that bloody hard. Almost as if someone wants you to believe that genuine criticism is going to get you thrown in prison forever in order to spread an agenda….
terrordactyl1971 on
We don’t need any laws protecting medieval fairy tales, thanks
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Labour need to rake in the Muslim vote. It will be defined, and labour will call anyone that disagrees with it an islamaphobic racist.
Labour doesn’t care about blasphemy, Labour cares about votes, and that’s the driving force as they know the muslim vote is rapidly growing
Blasphemy laws are attempting a comeback in the year 2025, aren’t we lucky that Labour are doing this only to take back the Muslim vote after haemorrhaging them due to the Gaza debacle.
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Looking at the current state of the economy, and that Labour are too busy trying to appease Reform voters to actually tackle the economic issues, frankly I think Labour are actively trying to cause social unrest.
It’ll certainly help them with their push to curb personal freedoms and online privacy if it were to all kick off.
Labour could get massive amounts of the Muslim vote if they condemned the literal genocidal actions of Israel but instead they will add blasphemy laws which alienates the other side of the voter base just for a tiny increase in the Muslim vote, less than if they condemned literal war crimes.
Lmao Kier Starmer is a fucking moron
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Mate, at this point every issue the right wing go on about “risks social disorder”.
Someone somewhere really wants you to riot. And it’s not the Kaiser Chiefs this time.
I suggest instead a peaceful democracy where various views are respected and individuals’ rights are valuable.
There should be no laws that stop criticism of religion, any religion.
There are already laws to stop people threatening other people. They should be enough. Discussion should never be censored.
Just remember that various religions in the past have stood against, vaccinations, blood transfusions, organ donation, contraception, and even anaesthetics is on a very long list.
If we had laws back in the day to stop criticism of religion maybe we won’t have all those things.
Criticism of imaginary friends and their application in the real world is not a crime in the UK any longer and never should be again. Centuries of murder, torture, and mutilation for questions or criticism of the Abrahamic cults are not so far behind us. Other areas of the world still have real-life implications for such actions. Let us move forwards not in reverse.
If they make it such a definition, then criticising fundamentalism will fall under it. Which will mean there’s no stopping extremism.
Remember the outrage over Labour’s apparent antisemitism problem. Why is that more important?
Although this isn’t a law itself… the way it interacts with existing law probably makes it close enough to one and it will likely be issued as guidance to police, as from what I can tell the antisemitism version of this is used in identifying potential hate crimes. I’d estimate lawyers could point to the Islamophobia definition as grounds that someone is insulting and “grossly offensive” enough to be pinned with something under the Public Order Act or Communications Act.
There will be social unrest because the billionaire controlled press will make sure of it
Islamaphobia aka having any criticisms of their religion
So a blasphemy law, but only them? All other religions fair game though? They’d have to be really stupid to do this it’s like they only want the one term
The issue is You can’t carve out special status for anti semitism without carving out special status for everyone else.
A government can’t play favourites .
You either protect all ancient ridiculous beliefs or you don’t
I thought we didn’t allow opinion pieces here?
> Britain will face social unrest and **a perception** of a two-tier society if the government pushes ahead with plans **to come up with** a formal definition of Islamophobia, the head of a new campaign group has warned.
This whole issue is so pathetic. The Government has asked a working group to come up with a *non-binding*, *non-legal* definition of “Islamophobia”, and before we’ve seen what they’ve suggested, never mind before the Government has taken any steps to accept their recommendation, we are already being told it is terrible.
Look at how weaselly this guy’s words are:
> We are seeing a sense of people being very unhappy about two-tier application of the law, two-tier society,… The same narrative is being **potentially, I’m hearing**, it’s being used around this definition. Why are Muslims getting extra protection? Why do they have to have more laws?
That’s almost Donald Trump levels of weaselling.
> It creates a sense of a deeply chilling effect, where people are scared to raise things about religion, which can be used against them, and where digital traces can be placed online that are difficult to remove,… It creates a vastly, deeply problematic element of a chilling effect in society. It doesn’t matter whether it’s statutory or non-statutory.
What does? Nothing has happened yet! We don’t even know what might happen?
Would the Times run the same article about a definition of anti-Semitism? Or homophobia? I would say transphobia, but we know they’d be more than happy to publish an article criticising that…
> The government faced criticism for attempting to limit public input into the plans by circulating a call for evidence to only a limited number of groups. But its plans were derailed after Claire Coutinho, the shadow equalities minister, found a link to the online consultation form and circulated it widely.
Oh boy. The Government tried to cover this up by… making the consultation publicly available online.
So pathetic.
how convinient it’s civil unrest during labour and not during tories. How convinient they keep pushing reforms voice.
You can criticise a religion without being blatantly racist, it’s really not that bloody hard. Almost as if someone wants you to believe that genuine criticism is going to get you thrown in prison forever in order to spread an agenda….
We don’t need any laws protecting medieval fairy tales, thanks