Nigel Farage’s mass deportations plans ‘uncosted and unconstructed’, Home Office minister says
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/farage-deportations-uncosted-unconstructed-minister-5HjdBTs_2/
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Nigel Farage’s mass deportations plans ‘uncosted and unconstructed’, Home Office minister says
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/farage-deportations-uncosted-unconstructed-minister-5HjdBTs_2/
Posted by tylerthe-theatre
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Not to mention America already proved it’s both completely unworkable as well as inhumane in practice. Almost guaranteed to be used to go after actual productive “illegals” who’ve lived here most of their lives as well as the bad ones, with no distinction. And will rip families and communities apart.
Unfortunately a sizable part of the British electorate won’t listen to this line of arguement. They’ll hear Farage’s headline, nod, and wisely declare ‘common sense init’.
Why can’t they just call him a liar and a Russian asset?
I don’t know how you square the circle of populists giving one line solutions to massively complex and nuanced problems and the public not understanding that if it was really that easy why wouldn’t the government already do it?
“vote for me and I’ll deliver massive tax cuts and stop immigration by cutting government waste” speaks to the total cynicism the electorate has when it comes to politics that roughly a third of the electorate (if you believe polls) think that’s possible.
Well you can say whatever you want when you dont have to deliver it
Why doesn’t he call out Farage for what he truly is: a racist little fascist in the pockets of Putin and Trump?
Just like the rest of his manifesto. If establishment politicians want to go after this guy, they need to stop falling into the trap of calling him evil. That’s a hiding to nowhere and only strengthens his support.
Instead, attack him for being shit. If you want to bring in a new government that is going to make your life better, then this guy should be bottom of the list. You may look at the alternatives and think “things couldn’t get any worse” but they absolutely can, and under Farage they absolutely will. Look at his fantasy economics (he starts half his pledges with the word “imagine” for a reason), look at his incompetent councillors, look at his inability to hold 5 MPs together, look at the fact that a decade of arse kissing he gave to Trump resulted in no job and no seat at the inauguration. He wants to negotiate with the Taliban? They’ll take our taxpayer money all day, I wouldn’t be holding my breath for anything in return though.
They need to learn to say it much much simpler so the reform nobbers can understand it. Something like this would cost x so your tax would go up if you are workjng class from x to y to fund it. On top of needing to find 3k a year for private healthcare since reform will kill the nhs. Explain it in money terms for a working class person thats what will turn whats left of reform nobbers bar the racists
Long term costs of continuing as we are most likely worse unfortunately
What’s the plan Nige? You going to be like Trump and run around with a dulux colour chart deporting anyone that doesn’t measure up?
Nigel Farage is the person most responsible for the small boats coming over. It was him who pushed and swayed voters to get out of the EU. It was him who ruined our relationship with Europe. If anyone is responsible for the state of the UKs decline over the last ten years then it’s him. Governments running scared of his constant lies and hate overreacting to a public swayed by what the daily fail writes.
Iv always wondered how Reform intend to achieve these mass deportations if they also plan to sack all the civil servants.
Ah yes Labour, the problem with the Farage/Reform mass deportation plans is that they’re “uncosted”; not that they’re nasty fascist, racist, far right, humans rights abusing bs…
(PS although yes yes I get that attacking them on delivery and credibility is *perhaps* the right approach given that a significant % of the UK seem unconcerned about the above and are proving themselves Britain First racist nativists…? But is the sort of voter who supports this stuff the sort of voter that cares about trivial details like plans and cost either?)
The problem with trying to tackle Reform’s mad plans with lines about cost and economics is that the people who like this plan don’t give a shit about costs and economics.
Reform has given it’s supporters a unicorn policy: “We’ll just do the ‘obvious common sense’ thing and deport everyone, immediately” and that’s all they’re going to hear – they’ll pay any price for that, as the price is equally abstract. They’re so far down the rabbit hole that any logical issues can be immediately dismissed.
The better attack lines were the slightly overblown, but much more effective, headline about the Taliban liking this plan. Reform get to just spew mad, impossible theories and conspiracies, and everyone else seems to challenge them by placing a small line at the bottom of a 1700 word article, breathlessly relating exactly what Reform want people to hear, that says “We could find no evidence for the above”.
I say fight fire with fire. Make the headline “Immigrants in French camps eagerly await Reform payments”
Nigel Farage’s mass deportation plans aren’t realistic and just demagoguery to win over voters? What next, we’ll be told shouting “send them back” over a pint of Carling isn’t an actual policy framework?
And where on Earth are all of these people going to be deported to exactly?
Of course they’d say that because it’s more of a plan they have or intend to deliver.
How about:
– 1) ID and locate everyone on a visa and asylum seekers
– 2) Fine and deport visa over-stayers and other illegal immigrants, confiscate property where necessary
– 3) Fine and/or imprison people who employ illegal workers
– 4) Make law that landlords need proof of legal right to live in UK if letting for longer than a holiday
– 5) Fine and/or confiscate property of people who house illegal immigrants and visa overstayers
– 6) Fine and/or imprison people who illegally sublet council houses
– 7) Prioritise legal aide for the UK citizens, and those with right to remain over subsidising asylum/migration claims
– 8) Significantly raise the bar for ECHR arguments which prevent criminals being deported when they pose a risk and cost to UK citizens, gov’t and society (e.g. a paedophile’s right to family life, etc. shouldn’t trump UK citizen’s right to live free of immigrant paedophiles)
In his defence (ugh) he’s got a few years to sort that out.
Need to borrow more and more money to house and feed boat migrants. Forget schools, forget investing in innovation. The boat migrant must be helped. They deserve to be helped unlike the homeless, and their behavior is beyond reproach. Refugees welcome!!
It’s the “hang ’em all” school of politics.
Public frustrated with intractable, complicated problem naturally leans towards simple answers that hurt the ‘right’ people. Criminals? Lock up up, throw away the key. Murderers? ‘Ang the lot of em. Job done.
But of course we have centuries of crinimal law and justice reform that have, over time, attempted to change to fit an evolving world.
If you ‘ang ’em all then you just end up hanging a bunch of innocent people, the costs spiral, people question if the death penalty is a good idea at all, and then you end up not ‘anging ’em all.
Deporting all the ‘illegals’ sounds like an easy answer. Round ’em up, ship ’em off.
But there’s a reason why immigration has not been solved. There’s a reason boats keep coming. It’s not easy to fix.
There are no easy answers that work. Well… there are. You could have roving death squads in motor boats roaming the channel and gunning down anyone they see. Boat crossing drops. Job done.
But the public may start to get upset seeing bodies of people wash up on shore. Not reform voters maybe, but most people. It spoils your day at the beach. A hazmat crew has to come clean it up. It’s a whole thing. Also other countries might not approve and sanction us, or call it illegal or whatever.
Reform are going to provide easy answers. Answers that don’t work.
But we’ve seen this with trump. The play is not to provide actual solutions, but pretty words that rile up passions and then get forgotten. It gets replaced with a new distraction or rhetoric. He said he would release the Epstein files. His supporters cheered it on. Now he’s giving cushy deals to Maxwell. His supporters cheer him on.
Reform voters will do the same. They will cheer on the easy answers. Then when there are no easy solutions they will cheer on whatever Farage talks up next. They learned nothing from Brexit and their eager for more.
His voters & followers don’t care if it’s possible or not.
They just want the fantasy.
It’s insane how much airtime this has garnered. Can you imagine any other party giving a speech about a half baked policy and it getting days of headlines?
The media really learned nothing from Brexit and Trump.
In the long run it would save money, from associated welfare and crime costs. While also reducing demand on food and housing, reducing costs for citizens and legal migrants.
“Nigel farage is a populist liar”
Must be a slow news day I thought this was known fact?
Mass deportation is a policy that sounds so simple on paper.
No one digs into the practicalities of it or the legal challenges. Especially those deemed at genuine risk and those who’ve been here on asylum for years and moving towards permanent residence, rather than those seemingly hiding behind EHCR laws. It requires us to leave several binding international laws and agreements, might almost certainly need a bill, and would have to go through both houses, if that’s the case.
Are we going to end up with police herding everyone onto coaches to the airport? Are we going to have mass dawn raids of people being dragged out? Are we going to have a safety net to make sure this is targeted specifically at those deemed a risk, not just all and sundry? Are we going to have an appeals process at the otherside for those incorrectly deported to challenge? Are we going to reopen up legal routes for an asylum case to be properly assessed in a humane manner, fairly again?
The US has demonstrated how inhumane that can be, and how much it borders on illegal and immoral, especially when there are people with permanent residency, citizenship, or who’ve done no wrong, just sent direct to El Salvador, in flagrant disregard for due process, without a lawyer present, and without legal recourse to challenge that.
It should be simple and reasonable to reinterpret the laws as they currently exist to allow deportation of those convicted of criminality. Be it a one strike rule for violence and sexual offences and/or repeat offences for other crimes (like theft). Mass deportations though seems like an unworkable idea.
This all sits very uneasy with me.