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    Hundreds of firms warn new guidance on single sex spaces is ‘unworkable’ and would cause ‘significant economic harm’
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    Hundreds of firms warn new guidance on single sex spaces is ‘unworkable’ and would cause ‘significant economic harm’


    Hundreds of firms warn new guidance on single sex spaces is ‘unworkable’ and would cause ‘significant economic harm’

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/supreme-court-trans-single-sex-spaces-b2826924.html

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    2. Brendoshi on

      Of course it will. The goal is to make it unworkable so the businesses effectively have no choice but to push trans people out of public life.

    6. corbynista2029 on

      >They also express concern that the proposals would put them at “constant risk of complaints and litigation from multiple directions”, as well as forcing **“business staff into the unacceptable role of ‘gender police’”.**

      But but I was told this will never happen!! The TERFs told me we will never have genital inspectors in the UK!!

    7. Lady-Maya on

      For those that don’t want to read the article / look into this, basically the issue it comes down to is:

      1)You exclude trans people from the toilets of their gender and you then get sued for discrimination and invasion of privacy

      i) You are not allowed to ask for a persons GRC as this is an invasion of privacy (Supreme Court specifically mentioned this) so how do you prove someone is trans?

      ii) May also be a breach of the European Convention Of Human Right (there is a case currently in the works for this)

      2)You don’t exclude trans people and you get sued by campaigners like For Women Scotland or J.K Rowling.

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      Also want to specifically add the judges from the supreme court ruling came out after and clarified that you **”Can”** exclude trans people, not that you “must”.

      So if it went back to them the ruling would likely (but who truly knows) that you can exclude trans people but you’re not forced to.

    8. Mkwdr on

      Well they could just change all the signs to ones that say open to all. The problem is that you can only deleiberately discriminate in certain areas such as single sex spaces, and toilets haven’t actually been single sex spaces. So just open em up to everyone.

    12. shugthedug3 on

      No don’t you get it, you need to do this because a day drinking, bigoted children’s author who spends her entire day on twitter demands it.

    13. tempy1256 on

      I mean you either agree with single sex spaces needing to exist or you don’t. I’d prefer a single occupancy changing room and toilet every time

      Plus you can’t say this male is good but this male is bad and now this male takes HRT they can’t possibly be a risk, if a space is segregated by sex it’s pretty clear cut.

      But that doesn’t mean trans activists can’t advocate for facilities that work, for example like Women’s Aid. It’s a charity, there’s clearly missing refuge facilities for any male victims but nothing is stopping someone setting one up like what women had to do.

    14. Anyales on

      Of course its unworkable. To simplify the issue they are talking about lets imagine a real life scenario. 

      So if i as a man walk into a women’s toilet and state i was born a woman so legally i need to use the womens.

      How does the establishment decide which toilet i can use? Do they stop me mid shit and throw me out or wait for me to finish?

    15. FuzzBuket on

      Yeah but what’s more important, a functional country and a bit of empathy for a tiny minority who are marganalized, or that Wes streeting gets some hi-fives from a few telegraph columnists.

    16. Ver_Void on

      It’s also going to wreck a lot of peoples lives, but the economy? The precious numbers must be protected at all costs

    17. Narrow_Maximum7 on

      In non public toilets it seems a pretty easy fix. If shops have a male and a female toilet for staff ie lush, make them lockable unisex ie one in one out and therefore no issues, same a b&j offices, they are a multi million company, im sure they could have an individual lockable toilet put in place for anyone

    18. Thandoscovia on

      Reasonable adaptations for human rights reasons have always been required. I can’t see why that would have to change now

    19. bulldog_blues on

      Why do so many people refuse to accept that ‘one size fits all’ approaches to trans people *do not work*?

      There’s an increasing trend of both trans people and non-trans women who are ‘too masculine’ being harassed for daring to use appropriate facilities. And no one, apart from transphobes who want trans people out of public life entirely, benefit from it.