Nigel Farage’s Reform compared to 1930s fascists by Michael Heseltine in scathing attack
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Nigel Farage’s Reform compared to 1930s fascists by Michael Heseltine in scathing attack
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farages-reform-compared-1930s-36028821
Posted by F0urLeafCl0ver
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Reform are popular because of a mix of things.
UK GDP per capita has had a poor performance but so has much of the developed world.
[https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-US&start=2008](https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-DE-FR-US&start=2008)
Housing has become far less affordable.
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2024](https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/2024)
Inflation has been very high in a period of very low wage growth
[https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/timeseries/l55o/mm23](https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/inflationandpriceindices/timeseries/l55o/mm23)
Immigration has been much higher than the long term trend, people have been voting to lower it yet it sky rocketed
[http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/assets/62436139-f99f-4657-aea3-a6e9baea4bd3.png](http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06077/assets/62436139-f99f-4657-aea3-a6e9baea4bd3.png)
This is mixed with a massive falling trust in mainstream politics and an endless array of people promising fixes but not delivering.
The left fixiate on Brexit, though these issues started long before then, and for the post industrial towns go back to the 70s and even 60s.
They are often broadly similar to similar economies but people will not admit that this is broad set of problems, instead fixating on things that are popular inside their echo chambers and living on the laziest of politics where they endlessly restreat into easy answers that would do f all to fix the long term problems.
Reform are populist, dishonest and opportunist. But people have been promised fixes by the mainstream for nearly 20 years and gotten nothing so simply name calling them is not going to change the huge political shift in to almost nihilistic support for anything that offers an alternative to the current stasis.
And it is stasis and decline.
It makes you all feel good name calling but we have to be honest that this is a general crisis across the developed world and there are no easy fixes. Only when people admit they dont have an easy fix there is a chance enough people might start believe us when we tell them Reform have no easy fixes either. When we promise them and do not deliver then turn to name calling for the next set of easy fixes, do not expect to make much impact.
I dont know when these politicians will learn that calling something Nazi like doesnt change peoples minds. You have to debate the idea, not just try and say X bad dont vote for them.
Calling trump a fascist didnt help.
Farage’s popularity is increasing
Italy, greece, and poland have gone further right over years.
“Fascism is when you want to return to early 2000s levels of mass immigration in Britain” – Benito Mussolini, ‘The Doctrine of Fascism’.
A lot of people are quick to dismiss describing Reform or any modern political party as fascists because it’s synonymous with Nazism, and that seems hysterical because what the Nazis did were crimes against humanity.
But do you think the Nazis started out with the “final solution”? (Clue’s in the name) and this isn’t to say Reform are going mass murder migrants but the playbook to get into power is the same i.e scapegoating powerless minorities to get into power.
Classic bleeding heart lefty who **checks wikipedia page** was a Conservative MP for 45 years and served in Thatchers cabinet for 11…
I don’t like Reform or Farage but Heseltine has always been a wanker. Tough immigration controls and actually deporting foreign criminals is in no way fascist.
Careful, they’re very delicate and they get very upset when you call them what they are.
They just don’t like it!
Same playbook – it’s obvious for anyone with a bit of education.
Those that don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
The flag shagger might know all about WW2 to utter such things as ‘ Lest We Forget ‘ and ‘ Never Again ‘ but they don’t seem to be aware of what happened before WW2.
Cool who’s our Neville chamberlain this time round?
Yup, again we hear that the old Tory warhorse is absolutely correct in his assumptions and opinions.
Well why don’t you speak to someone who supports that and see what they say? Because they seem to think it will help them.
Hesseltine another privileged establishment rich boy who has no idea about why so many millions are so angry…
[Worth watching Zack Polanski getting called out for using the term fascist and being completely unable to back it up](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ea7TRUwT8)
I feel the need to post this everywhere for it to gain traction:
Take a read here:
https://substack.com/@bearlypolitics/note/c-163780562?r=8sz89&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
CFABB/Resolute 1850, is the hidden agenda of this gang of traitors
Bringing Project 2025 to the UK.
Think it ‘can’t happen here’ sort of attitude?
Then take a look at the 350 million Americans who are watching the destruction of their country in disbelief.
I wonder if journalists write these headlines with a knowing sense of irony of how corny it sounds, or if they live in such a bubble that they actually think a scathing attack is these appropriate description
We waited 14 years to get into power. We should be pumping out great new laws and talking about those.
Why do we appear to spend all day focussing on Reform (with their 0.1% control of parliament).
It’s like I finally get Angelina Jolie to invite me to her hotel room and I spend all the time talking about Brad Pitt.
All the other political parties are running scared because Reform is becoming massively popular among the electorate so all they do is try to sneer, snipe and scorn at Reform.
I do not like Reform. I do not like Farage.
But Nigel Farage is not a fascist. He’s also nothing like 1930s fascists
I think people are getting a little carried away saying things like “fascists are only anti democratic once they get into power”
Which isn’t true.
If you want to know what Fascists in the UK were saying in the UK in the 30s the information is all there.
As an example:
https://www.atlasantiques.co.uk/en-GB/british-union-of-fascists-union-movement/1933-british-union-of-fascists-blackshirt-newspaper/prod_13473
“Democracy smashed”
“… Hitler who has, whatever his faults, has seen the wickedness of giving people democracy instead of work …”
There has been absolutely no anti democratic rhetoric coming from Reform.
Trump you can argue is anti Democratic because he tried to steal an election. But nobody has anything of this nature I have seen on Reform.
Unless people have evidence I’ve missed?
Just goes to show how extreme Reform are, when even a member of Thatcher’s cabinet recognises them as fascists.
I think that people still don’t understand that reform are fascists isn’t a slur (though it’s a anti liberal anti democratic anti British values thing) it’s a descriptive of what their policy goals and aims are which is to use state power, suppression of opponents and a Authy leader to control the country like a cult of personality leader would
I think they’re morons but that doesn’t mean they aren’t fash or working towards fash
They are, just don’t articulate it in those words.
This is a difference between the leadership and the supports some of whom are fash but a lot are just in despair and confused about how life has got a wee bit shit since atleast 2010
I’m not a Reform supporter but Heseltine has been off his trolley for many years. Suffers from Europhilia at dementia levels.
Damn, Reform have finally been found out. 20 years of people calling brexit voters, tories, ukip voters fascists, it always seemed like just a silly insult from ignorant leftists, but now, with this latest one, we finally have to admit that Farage has been caught and the 4th reich is not only imminent but inevitable.
Give me strength lmao, you people are actually hysterical.
Calling these people fascists or nazis doesn’t matter anymore because they have weaponized the idea that those terms are thrown around so much that they don’t have any weight.
Because of this, calling them these things just confirms to them that they don’t need to pay any attention to us.