Keir Starmer ‘planning to blame Nigel Farage and Brexit’ for budget tax hikes
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-rises-budget-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-b2843635.html
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Keir Starmer ‘planning to blame Nigel Farage and Brexit’ for budget tax hikes
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tax-rises-budget-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-b2843635.html
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Fair enough. About time we stopped pretending Brexit was anything other than a massive shit show and blame the man most responsible.
I mean he’s not wrong lots of the budget issues start with brexit, got compounded with Covid, but Nige is a king weasel. The failure of brexit is not his fault, because he bitched out after the vote
Yeah, he’ll fuck up the delivery and lose even more “points”.
He needs to focus on delivering, he’s not charismatic enough to get into a dick measuring contest with Nigel.
Mate just stop fucking talking about him. The reason Brexit happened was because Remain did nothing but tell us how scary Leave were, instead of telling us how great Remain were. There’s a lesson to be learned there.
The Brexit fiasco is responsible for so many of our current problems. Starmer is correct to blame it. Farage bears responsibility.
Although disingenuous in his timing, it’s about time we stopped pretending democracy ended and we had to keep committing acts of self harm to honour a misinformed and noisy group that have largely died out. Do we keep pushing this brexit nonsense into the 30s 40s 50s?
I would say people should declare leave or remain. If they voted remain, they get none of the Brexit wins. If you voted leave, you should get the lot…which also means you need to foot any shortfall for your actions. Let’s see if people are willing to put their money where their mouth is
It’s also because he and Rachel Reeves and utterly shit.
Farages biggest weaknesses are the policies he supports that to go incredibly badly (not just Brexit but things like Truss’ budget, Milei’s economics, etc), together with his support of Trump who is very unpopular in the UK.
These are very difficult for Labour to use without committing to rejoining the EU or while having to work with Trump.
Ideally the media & other parties should be mentioning this, but the media are giving Reform an easy ride & barely reporting on the other parties.
What a politician has supported in the past is pretty damn relevant for those considering voting him in the future.
> But sources told The Times Sir Keir and chancellor Rachel Reeves are planning to argue that this downgrade would not have happened were it not for Brexit, pinning the blame on the Reform leader for leading the campaign to take Britain out of the EU.
It’s true, and people have been speculating that Starmer’s last throw of the dice would be leaning heavily back into the Remain constituency. It is wild that 48% of people voted Remain in 2016, an even higher percentage of the voting public would support Remain now, but that constituency has largely just been abandoned by our political class.
I just can’t help but think this pivot will be very difficult to make when:
1) Starmer and his team have spent the last few years insisting Brexit is actually cool
2) When questioned, Starmer and his team will almost certain continue to say they think Brexit is actually cool.
If he’s going to do that then I really think he needs to show a way forward to resolve it by moving towards getting the customs union or single market back
The problem with this farming of pointing the finger at Brexit is that when you’re in charge, you could reverse it. So when you don’t, it comes across poorly.
Just get him on his plans for the economy, and more local stuff like ASB, something some of his voters do that irritates the fuck out of everyone else. Find a wedge somewhere
2074 – Labour blame everything on 14 years of Tory government and the infamous ’20 billion black hole’.
FFS. Try a bit harder guys.
I’m so bored of the Brexit argument.
We was expected to have lost 4% of our annual GDP due to Brexit making it a loss of around £32bn a year including EU rebates and saving an approximate £13.2bn in membership fees.
Problem is, this was only a prediction. We don’t know what the UK economy would have done was it still in the EU as the EU has been all but as stagnant as the UK since COVID as well. Only the USA and Asia has seen decent growth.
Does anyone actually have anything concrete in regards to Brexit to actually say, with figures, what the actual reality is or are we just going to keep throwing the adjective around like some sort of coping mechanism???
Also, I don’t really understand what Nigel Farage has done yet. He certainly has the potential to make things worse but what policies has he actually enacted this far?
I think the last 28 years of successive governments have a lot more to answer for than the union we’re still trading with. I know dairy and meat producers have shit out pretty badly but was this + travelling entertainers really holding us up that much?
For context, it’s predicted the cost of COVID19 on the UK economy was £310bn to £410bn, but I suppose you can’t really blame anyone for that can you…………………
Doesn’t matter who he blames, it’s getting little tiring! It’s his own doing….
So Starmer is now blaming Farage.
He has also been blaming the Tories.
Labour had 14 years to prepare for being in government. They knew at least six months before the election they would be in power, but even then, they didn’t hit the ground running.
Labour need to stop the blame game and start being positive.
As much as people moan about Trump, at least he started making changes from day one..
He won’t directly blame Brexit – a party wouldn’t risk the stubborn public from doubling down.
Absolutely pathetic stuff. Perhaps Reeves should use the time instead to have a little fiscal discipline
The only people this will fool is those fools who are fooled anyway.
I wonder if the Labour wonks have decided to take a risk and put Brexit back on the table? They will get mauled by the usuals of course, but they are going to maul them anyway. This at least puts some more distance between himself and Farage and might grab some moderate conservatives.
Good. Stop pussyfooting around and be clear where the issues are.
That’s all very well and good so do something about it then.
Every single time it’s a massive elephant in the room and Keir has no plan going forward.
If it’s that bad, then let’s start a campaign to rejoin – consistent polling shows people want to rejoin or at least be more inline with Europe.
Keir has no desire for this, so he doesn’t get to blame it for his ills. Either put up or shut up.
Funny how at the last budget, there “wouldn’t be any more tax rises” because no more were needed, apparently. Now the world has changed and that wound up being wrong, due to something that happened in, er, 2016.
Ok, wait for the public to “wake up” in one hand and shit in the other and see which fills up first.
Shame he has hasn’t got a huge majority and this has only become apparent after he pledged not to increase taxes on working people. Weak, disingenuous, no idea how to run the country but at least it will only be one parliament.
In my circle most labour voters I know voted to leave whilst a lot of tories I know voted remain. Cameron was obviously heavy on remain. Think starmer and his team have ran out of ideas at this point.
Thank f**k for that. About time someone call spade a spade
Who cares, he’s never going to win another election any way. The more he makes Farrage center stage the better… Starmer just makes him self look even more like a wabbit in the headlights,
Welcome to Labour, where everything is someone’s or something else’s fault
A good leader would take accountablility and control of the country he leads
14 years of austerity under Tories sprinkling with a Russian Traitor and a disastrous vote to leave our trade partners and be poorer.
This. We need to stop pussy footing around Brexiteers and their fragile egos. They and Farage fucked up the economy. They need to be called out on it more aggressively
Ugh. Can you just not?
I’ve not heard them take ownership of literally anything, and I’ve heard them call people paedophiles for disagreeing with them. I don’t think there’s been a more disasterous first term(Lettuce doesn’t count) than this.
I was so excited to vote for him. I had a party to celebrate them getting shut of the Tories(obligatory fuck the Tories), but this is not what I voted for. You may as well go and hand the keys to 10 to him by hand at this point.
Literally no one is buying any of this anti-Farage stuff. Just fucking wait until the idiot makes a tit out of himself and then pounce on it. You don’t need to treat them like the opposition and blame them for a bunch of stuff. He hasn’t even been in power at any point, despite being a big architect of Brexit, he had no real power to pull it off. This is the easiest deflection ever and just even *more* airtime for Farage.
Freezing income tax bands is a direct increase, by whatever inflation is which has been a high number
As per usual, there is a ton of astroturfing. But the fact remains that the reason Brexit went across the line is a large part to Farage. And we are worser for it.
Rather than not saying anything about it, politicians need to state what the cause is. It is Brexit, and Farage, Cameron, Johnson et al and the right wing MSM that help facilitate this decline.
Judging from some of the brain dead comments here, people dont like to look at the reflection of what has happened because of it. Tough fucking shit. Its your mess, and you’re being called out for causing it. Fuck you.
Edit: Every downvote I get raises my self esteem fucksticks 🖕
Classic. Can’t look at himself and his government given he’s been in office for over 12 months now.
So breaking manifesto promises and the invented £10bn black hole was supposedly the Tories’ fault. And now further tax rises and potentially further manifesto breaches are the fault of Reform (who have never been in government).
At what point does he stand on his own record?
Last week he was saying how Reform just moan and point out problems, so this week he’s moaning and blaming Reform for the problems.
Starmer is a clown, I can’t wait for him and his circus to be gone.
And he can brexit has no tangible benefits for the general public and its costing us year on year.
Given the fact that only the tories and Labour have been in power for more than 100 years, how can they blame anyone else? 🤪
Do it! Farage blames everybody else for Brexit’s shortcomings. Every time he even bothers to turn up to Parliament and opens his gob about something, i wouldn’t answer directly I’d just hit him with facts for his previous lies
Should have been doing it from the very start.
It IS a major reason why…. But only stating it now makes it unbelievable to a lot of people
I’ll believe him when he says he’s cancelling the Chagos deal because it’s too expensive. You can’t go crying poor when you’re wasting a hundred million pounds a year to *give away* territory.
I would absolutely love to blame Brexit for every single problem this country has, but the fact is that the rest of Europe isn’t doing substantially better than we are. If we hadn’t left the EU, we would still have largely the same economic problems, although probably less severe.
It’s the distribution of wealth that’s the issue.
How can they blame Brexit now?! Why do people just accept any old excuse so long as it aligns with their political view…
Smooth brained still thinking a single stock is better than an global etf
the guy that is in government for more than one year, the most unpopular PM in the history of UK, instead of also blaming the previous party in power, will blame the guy who was never part of the government. makes as much sense as half of the stupid shit starmer says
This is just really bad politics.
Firstly, there’s very limited evidence that Brexit is responsible for any of our problems. Other western European countries (which remain in the EU) are in a similar position. We’re all suffering from COVID and market conditions since Russia invaded Ukraine, and in the UK we’re also suffering from very high demand for housing thanks to mass immigration, something being an EU member would not help with.
And Farage can very easily say “it would have worked if you’d done it my way” – he had nothing to do with the Conservative fuck ups in 2019-24.
And the people who wanted a softer Brexit can also ask Starmer why he, as Shadow Brexit Sec in 2019, decided to vote down all May’s options and give us Johnson as PM.
It also gives Farage way more prominence and respect than he deserves.