If you are any better than the current AI slop then yes. If you are only slightly better than the current slop then you are not good enough.
Goes for everyone. If you are just as good as a current LLM, be better.
MetaKnowing on
[A few anecdotes from the writer who is at a SF hacker house]
“All professional creatives, Fay and I were told cheerfully, would soon exist only as hobbyists. This was not provocation. Not irony. Just fact. It’s the one moment in the documentary when we hear Fay’s voice. She suddenly cuts in, unsettled: “So AI’s going to get rid of my job?” It’s brief. Instinctive. But it changes the air in the room.
When I spoke to Fay recently, she remembered the moment clearly. “We moved so quickly,” she said, “from talking about how AI could help the creative industries to hearing, quite casually, how easily it could replace every role within them. The tone was friendly, encouraging, as if I should be excited.”
That exchange feels like the hinge of the story: a small, human moment of bafflement, when the conversation stopped being theoretical and became real.
They wanted to make us redundant.
I don’t want to ignore AI. But that phrase I used earlier, “the cat’s out of the bag”, now feels like its own kind of moral laziness, as if ethics expire the moment something new arrives.”
cogit2 on
100% no, and never will be. AI is only trained on what has already been created, it shows no ability for creative invention. When someone types into AI requesting art – the prompt is the creativity. AI will never create a new genre of music, or discover a novel brush stroke, people will. Whether we put it to media, or to AI, to realize, is really on us.
salizarn on
So far all the “AI” music I’ve heard has been really mid at best.
There are still lots of musicians that are average too.
When “AI” produces a groundbreaking track let me know.
(It never will bc it just amalgamates existing work)
I don’t buy heavily customized items. My clothing is not tailored. My furniture was not hand-produced by an individual carpenter.
My car is assembled mostly by robots these days. No human is doing the wielding.
A huge amount of music training literally is consuming and synthesizing existing classical music. AIs already are great at consuming what already exists and then producing a good, then better synthesis of that product.
And remember it doesn’t have to be great – all it has to be is better than what the average human composer creates.
NinjaLanternShark on
AI music will replace human-created music in places where that music more or less doesn’t matter very much. Like low-budget commercials, radio, TV production… if you “have to have” some background music but don’t want to pay for great original music, grabbing AI music will be a cost- and time-saver.
I have to think most of that has *already* been more or less relegated to that royalty-free music library stuff. If generating music for *those* libraries is your business… yeah, you’re cooked.
People continue to attend plays and concerts, even though home theater and digital music exist, because of the human connection, social aspect, as well as the unpredictability of live vs polished productions. There’s no reason to think AI will replace that.
As with many other industries, if you’re at the top of your field, innovating and creating, we still need you. If you’re grinding at the mid-bottom levels of quality and creativity, while thats never been a *great* place to be, it’s about to be gone entirely.
joogabah on
Well good. With more people proletarianized there won’t be so much resistance to global communism. I’m tried of the 10-20% of the population that is ok not caring about the living standards of the vast majority. Now THEY can see what it is like.
Pull them bootstraps!
chuckernorris on
Saw a book yesterday with a no ai used stamp on front – saying no ai had been used for research or writing. I think humans are going to want real human creative work for a long time.
Frigidspinner on
Anyone who thinks AI music is too generic to please an audience needs to read this :
Basically a J-pop composer went up against an AI composer, and the crowd chose (via anonymous vote) which one they wanted to be used in the J-pop band’s next single
The end result was not good for the J-pop composer
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Yev6 on
I write more from a fine artists perspective than a musicians but I think both apply. What draws me to an artwork is the very thing that a machine can’t deliver and that is the “hand.” The hand by extension is connected to the mind. Thinking, corrections, struggle is what breaths life into an artwork. Things that are also missing from mass produced art (think tourist galleries). If you want some background music or decoration, go for the mass produced “stuff”. If you want something you can savor and contemplate, then you need an artwork.
King_Salomon on
AI will not replace people, it will replace people who don’t use AI. As a designer rather than fearing AI i took the bull by its horns and started using AI to my advantage, it did nothing but elevate my work. what most people don’t get about AI, is that at least for the foreseeable future, no matter how AI seems crazy good, there will always be that little gap that it just can’t cross. and this is where you as a professional comes in, sure anyone can make a nice tune using AI (so does generate images) but your knowledge as a composer (or designer) give you that extra edge. now it’s all about are you willing to use AI to elevate your work and stay relevant (maybe even better) or are you hating on something which is just a tool because the mass use it to create ai slop? it’s really in your hands
TheGruenTransfer on
If you compose vapid music that sounds suspiciously like another composer, yeah, your days are numbered. If you write original music, you’re good because actual A.I. is a long time away and right now the “A.I” we know is all based on predictive algorithms that choose the average, most likely answer.
But also, chess A.I. can beat grandmasters, but did that put all professional chess players out of work? No. Did hydraulic presses put all Strong Men competitors out of work? No. There will always be appreciation and celebration of human talents.
Hasgrowne on
If you mean a classical music composer, you’ve been dead for a long time
meatshell on
People will still go to classical music concerts, just as they still play chess and buy oil painting on a physical canvas. The market that would get destroyed is the background music production for YouTube, ads, etc., and maybe films.
MrRandomNumber on
People with no taste won’t realize what they’re missing. The rest of us will carry on. Work that resonates will get noticed, meanwhile the robots can slop the hogs.
Creativity is omnivorous. The next generation of artists will take these systems, deconstruct them and use them to express themselves. Art is in the making.
If you want to take a ubi stance, the goal is for the machines to do ALL the work. We will, as a species, eventually become their pets.
seth928 on
A society that values cheap above all else will become cheap above all else.
MarkyDeSade on
I never got anywhere as a composer partly because after the barriers to home recording went away, directors generally have expected composers to be able to copy any genre or style to fit their vision on demand, which is a skillset that I don’t possess. Not to mention that anything low budget just won’t pay you since they could just get stock music for free. In other words, when things got “easier” because of technology, it already gave the people with money and power more options while putting more pressure on the creatives.
Salt_Disk998 on
No, you’re not.
I play with AI music, and was also a musician for some time in the past. I can tell you: there is no way AI replace genius, that little extra that brings about beauty and awe into the listener.
On the other hand, pop industry is dead, for right now I can make any shallow music to entertain me.
SpikeRosered on
I am honestly curious how humanity will find an equilibrium with AI. It’s here now and will be with us forever moving forward. Feelings on AI will be part of everyone’s identity soon, if not already.
derpferd on
My concern is the ‘cat out the bag’ factor.
It almost seems to mirror social media, something that has enormous real world impact but doesn’t seem to be properly regulated because the people who hold the power to enact regulation are either a bunch of farts too far behind understanding the power and potential of the technology or they’re on pay from the people who own the technology
ChefAslan on
As someone who thoroughly enjoys seeing orchestras live, I certainly hope not and don’t think so. At least not completely. Online presence might be impacted, but I think live shows where humans go to watch humans playing…it might become more of a commodity in the future. “Human-made” art in general I think will eventually become a sort of commodity, not too unlike how you’d go to a cobbler today for custom shoes.
Mieche78 on
Part of why ai has infiltrated and taken so many people’s livelihoods is the fact that a large majority of people don’t see art as something that’s worth the cost.
As a graphic designer, it happens to me all the time. People always see the end product and assume it’s easy, something anyone with Photoshop can make. They don’t account for the amount of trying and failing that goes into the work, especially if it’s a visual media. When it looks good, you don’t notice it. But anyone can tell when something looks bad.
Give any financebro a blank canvas and tell them to create a logo and branding and they would have zero clue where to even start, let alone the skills necessary to execute the idea or the implementation of feedback.
Nobody wants to pay the appropriate amount of money for art because they only see the tip of the iceberg in terms of labor. And they don’t understand the importance and impact of a properly executed visual media. They just want to save as much money as they can, sacrificing the integrity of the product.
Governmentwatchlist on
AI is good at mimicking but not at creating. I think the high level art will be fine. The rubbish will be mass produced.
Mobbo2018 on
I am a copywriter so I had to ask myself this question in the early days of AI. Today I would say AI is just another mediocre competitor. It can write and produce music but I never – not even once – saw something unique or great coming out of that technology. If you aim for great things don’t fear the bot.
tkdyo on
Wasn’t it already a vanishingly small amount of people who actually got to make living off of music? This is basically the nail in the coffin. Really sad.
ocarina97 on
I will say, I’ve heard some classical music that was composed by AI and it was usually super obvious. The themes just didn’t make any sense or have any flow.
think_like_an_ape on
No.
When it comes to the arts it doesn’t matter how great AI is, people want to hear and see people making art. That includes sports.
There is something about an elite artist that is next to godliness. Seeing a brilliant painting and knowing bit came out of human hands or hearing incredible compositions that a person crafted … that’s part of the art, that’s a BIG part of what moves us
Kun_ai_nul on
As a music maker it’s saddening. On the bright side, people follow their favorite artists because they have a connection to the artist themself. People making art unassisted by AI will always be impressive but ya if you thought there was no money in it before…
cabritozavala on
But hey, at least we’re not getting AI actors am i right? Only the top 1% will be safe sadly
DrDerekBones on
I mean… Hasn’t nearly every chord pattern already been made or played? You pretty much have to invent new instruments and sounds now these days to make something “new”
DJ-JazzyBenBromfield on
Hey I’m a composer. I work mostly in tv/film but I can’t stress how baffling it is to want to have AI write “classical” music — I put it in quotes because the contemporary orchestral scene is really not *results* oriented in the same way other realms of the music industry are. New works of orchestral music don’t exist to make money or even *sound pleasing* in a lot of cases. This is like having AI generate a Miro or Pollock and expecting them to hold the same worth…the value of those works isn’t in the pretty colors but the way it challenges the nature of art, historical significance, innovation etc…anyway, I’m not at all surprised that individual composers would see AI and think “how can I incorporate this new technology into one of my works” to continue pushing the boundaries of what is/isn’t music, but having cultural institutions partnering with AI orgs as if they’re going to *streamline* something that largely exists as a form of cultural exploration is bizarre and will not be well-received by the (shrinking) community of people who support the arts
AG28DaveGunner on
Its hard to say exactly what is going to happen.
See since the new AI video converter has come out from ChatGPT. It is essentially almost life like, and the issue is that…I can still sort of tell its AI but not really. I’m not sure what it is but I can just tell. Something in the clip usually stick’s out.
And it has become, almost overnight, 2/3 out of 5 videos on say ‘shorts’ on youtube or various other short form content is basically AI generated POV stunts or AI generated stunts in general. Or even skits.
You know what has happened now? I’ve watched basically 70% less short form content in 2 days and it will eventually be zero. Recognising that what I’m watching isnt real has instantly killed my interest in watching. I instead have watched more content from my actual subscription page, from real creators. The only issue is barely anyone seems to notice that it is AI now based in the comments and thats what gonna decide what happens next.
Knowing what I’m watching isn’t real instantly ruins any reason to watch it and the same applies to music and all creatives forms and if that happens on a large scale I have no idea whats gonna happen.
robbiedigital001 on
Have been banging the drum on this for years, Ai is going to wipe out every creative practice. It needs to be regulated or to have embedded data that labels every piece of this media as artificial
Marimba-Rhythm on
While human-made things might have more value than machine-made things, facing extinction remains inevitable for people who are not rich (very rich).
YellowBeaverFever on
I’m a musician.. and yeah, AI is going to take over most music composition. It will be “good enough” and extremely inexpensive. There will be outliers where human creativity wins out, but the majority of works will be AI driven.
But, it will never take over live shows. People will still want to experience things live.
And there is going to be a period where musicians receive almost no royalties because streaming services do not want to lay out for AI generated content. You can’t copyright it. But the tools artists use will have AI baked in. So, publishing and artists rights are going to be in flux… but the streaming services are still getting their $$$ and not paying it out.
YooYooYoo_ on
People have not been able to win against neural networks at chess for decades now…has chess stopped being played?
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If you are any better than the current AI slop then yes. If you are only slightly better than the current slop then you are not good enough.
Goes for everyone. If you are just as good as a current LLM, be better.
[A few anecdotes from the writer who is at a SF hacker house]
“All professional creatives, Fay and I were told cheerfully, would soon exist only as hobbyists. This was not provocation. Not irony. Just fact. It’s the one moment in the documentary when we hear Fay’s voice. She suddenly cuts in, unsettled: “So AI’s going to get rid of my job?” It’s brief. Instinctive. But it changes the air in the room.
When I spoke to Fay recently, she remembered the moment clearly. “We moved so quickly,” she said, “from talking about how AI could help the creative industries to hearing, quite casually, how easily it could replace every role within them. The tone was friendly, encouraging, as if I should be excited.”
That exchange feels like the hinge of the story: a small, human moment of bafflement, when the conversation stopped being theoretical and became real.
They wanted to make us redundant.
I don’t want to ignore AI. But that phrase I used earlier, “the cat’s out of the bag”, now feels like its own kind of moral laziness, as if ethics expire the moment something new arrives.”
100% no, and never will be. AI is only trained on what has already been created, it shows no ability for creative invention. When someone types into AI requesting art – the prompt is the creativity. AI will never create a new genre of music, or discover a novel brush stroke, people will. Whether we put it to media, or to AI, to realize, is really on us.
So far all the “AI” music I’ve heard has been really mid at best.
There are still lots of musicians that are average too.
When “AI” produces a groundbreaking track let me know.
(It never will bc it just amalgamates existing work)
11 years old and still applies:
https://youtu.be/7Pq-S557XQU?si=oEAvtPN_uCq2H8t8
I don’t buy heavily customized items. My clothing is not tailored. My furniture was not hand-produced by an individual carpenter.
My car is assembled mostly by robots these days. No human is doing the wielding.
A huge amount of music training literally is consuming and synthesizing existing classical music. AIs already are great at consuming what already exists and then producing a good, then better synthesis of that product.
And remember it doesn’t have to be great – all it has to be is better than what the average human composer creates.
AI music will replace human-created music in places where that music more or less doesn’t matter very much. Like low-budget commercials, radio, TV production… if you “have to have” some background music but don’t want to pay for great original music, grabbing AI music will be a cost- and time-saver.
I have to think most of that has *already* been more or less relegated to that royalty-free music library stuff. If generating music for *those* libraries is your business… yeah, you’re cooked.
People continue to attend plays and concerts, even though home theater and digital music exist, because of the human connection, social aspect, as well as the unpredictability of live vs polished productions. There’s no reason to think AI will replace that.
As with many other industries, if you’re at the top of your field, innovating and creating, we still need you. If you’re grinding at the mid-bottom levels of quality and creativity, while thats never been a *great* place to be, it’s about to be gone entirely.
Well good. With more people proletarianized there won’t be so much resistance to global communism. I’m tried of the 10-20% of the population that is ok not caring about the living standards of the vast majority. Now THEY can see what it is like.
Pull them bootstraps!
Saw a book yesterday with a no ai used stamp on front – saying no ai had been used for research or writing. I think humans are going to want real human creative work for a long time.
Anyone who thinks AI music is too generic to please an audience needs to read this :
[https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kwvlyrjyxo](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1kwvlyrjyxo)
Basically a J-pop composer went up against an AI composer, and the crowd chose (via anonymous vote) which one they wanted to be used in the J-pop band’s next single
The end result was not good for the J-pop composer
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I write more from a fine artists perspective than a musicians but I think both apply. What draws me to an artwork is the very thing that a machine can’t deliver and that is the “hand.” The hand by extension is connected to the mind. Thinking, corrections, struggle is what breaths life into an artwork. Things that are also missing from mass produced art (think tourist galleries). If you want some background music or decoration, go for the mass produced “stuff”. If you want something you can savor and contemplate, then you need an artwork.
AI will not replace people, it will replace people who don’t use AI. As a designer rather than fearing AI i took the bull by its horns and started using AI to my advantage, it did nothing but elevate my work. what most people don’t get about AI, is that at least for the foreseeable future, no matter how AI seems crazy good, there will always be that little gap that it just can’t cross. and this is where you as a professional comes in, sure anyone can make a nice tune using AI (so does generate images) but your knowledge as a composer (or designer) give you that extra edge. now it’s all about are you willing to use AI to elevate your work and stay relevant (maybe even better) or are you hating on something which is just a tool because the mass use it to create ai slop? it’s really in your hands
If you compose vapid music that sounds suspiciously like another composer, yeah, your days are numbered. If you write original music, you’re good because actual A.I. is a long time away and right now the “A.I” we know is all based on predictive algorithms that choose the average, most likely answer.
But also, chess A.I. can beat grandmasters, but did that put all professional chess players out of work? No. Did hydraulic presses put all Strong Men competitors out of work? No. There will always be appreciation and celebration of human talents.
If you mean a classical music composer, you’ve been dead for a long time
People will still go to classical music concerts, just as they still play chess and buy oil painting on a physical canvas. The market that would get destroyed is the background music production for YouTube, ads, etc., and maybe films.
People with no taste won’t realize what they’re missing. The rest of us will carry on. Work that resonates will get noticed, meanwhile the robots can slop the hogs.
Creativity is omnivorous. The next generation of artists will take these systems, deconstruct them and use them to express themselves. Art is in the making.
If you want to take a ubi stance, the goal is for the machines to do ALL the work. We will, as a species, eventually become their pets.
A society that values cheap above all else will become cheap above all else.
I never got anywhere as a composer partly because after the barriers to home recording went away, directors generally have expected composers to be able to copy any genre or style to fit their vision on demand, which is a skillset that I don’t possess. Not to mention that anything low budget just won’t pay you since they could just get stock music for free. In other words, when things got “easier” because of technology, it already gave the people with money and power more options while putting more pressure on the creatives.
No, you’re not.
I play with AI music, and was also a musician for some time in the past. I can tell you: there is no way AI replace genius, that little extra that brings about beauty and awe into the listener.
On the other hand, pop industry is dead, for right now I can make any shallow music to entertain me.
I am honestly curious how humanity will find an equilibrium with AI. It’s here now and will be with us forever moving forward. Feelings on AI will be part of everyone’s identity soon, if not already.
My concern is the ‘cat out the bag’ factor.
It almost seems to mirror social media, something that has enormous real world impact but doesn’t seem to be properly regulated because the people who hold the power to enact regulation are either a bunch of farts too far behind understanding the power and potential of the technology or they’re on pay from the people who own the technology
As someone who thoroughly enjoys seeing orchestras live, I certainly hope not and don’t think so. At least not completely. Online presence might be impacted, but I think live shows where humans go to watch humans playing…it might become more of a commodity in the future. “Human-made” art in general I think will eventually become a sort of commodity, not too unlike how you’d go to a cobbler today for custom shoes.
Part of why ai has infiltrated and taken so many people’s livelihoods is the fact that a large majority of people don’t see art as something that’s worth the cost.
As a graphic designer, it happens to me all the time. People always see the end product and assume it’s easy, something anyone with Photoshop can make. They don’t account for the amount of trying and failing that goes into the work, especially if it’s a visual media. When it looks good, you don’t notice it. But anyone can tell when something looks bad.
Give any financebro a blank canvas and tell them to create a logo and branding and they would have zero clue where to even start, let alone the skills necessary to execute the idea or the implementation of feedback.
Nobody wants to pay the appropriate amount of money for art because they only see the tip of the iceberg in terms of labor. And they don’t understand the importance and impact of a properly executed visual media. They just want to save as much money as they can, sacrificing the integrity of the product.
AI is good at mimicking but not at creating. I think the high level art will be fine. The rubbish will be mass produced.
I am a copywriter so I had to ask myself this question in the early days of AI. Today I would say AI is just another mediocre competitor. It can write and produce music but I never – not even once – saw something unique or great coming out of that technology. If you aim for great things don’t fear the bot.
Wasn’t it already a vanishingly small amount of people who actually got to make living off of music? This is basically the nail in the coffin. Really sad.
I will say, I’ve heard some classical music that was composed by AI and it was usually super obvious. The themes just didn’t make any sense or have any flow.
No.
When it comes to the arts it doesn’t matter how great AI is, people want to hear and see people making art. That includes sports.
There is something about an elite artist that is next to godliness. Seeing a brilliant painting and knowing bit came out of human hands or hearing incredible compositions that a person crafted … that’s part of the art, that’s a BIG part of what moves us
As a music maker it’s saddening. On the bright side, people follow their favorite artists because they have a connection to the artist themself. People making art unassisted by AI will always be impressive but ya if you thought there was no money in it before…
But hey, at least we’re not getting AI actors am i right? Only the top 1% will be safe sadly
I mean… Hasn’t nearly every chord pattern already been made or played? You pretty much have to invent new instruments and sounds now these days to make something “new”
Hey I’m a composer. I work mostly in tv/film but I can’t stress how baffling it is to want to have AI write “classical” music — I put it in quotes because the contemporary orchestral scene is really not *results* oriented in the same way other realms of the music industry are. New works of orchestral music don’t exist to make money or even *sound pleasing* in a lot of cases. This is like having AI generate a Miro or Pollock and expecting them to hold the same worth…the value of those works isn’t in the pretty colors but the way it challenges the nature of art, historical significance, innovation etc…anyway, I’m not at all surprised that individual composers would see AI and think “how can I incorporate this new technology into one of my works” to continue pushing the boundaries of what is/isn’t music, but having cultural institutions partnering with AI orgs as if they’re going to *streamline* something that largely exists as a form of cultural exploration is bizarre and will not be well-received by the (shrinking) community of people who support the arts
Its hard to say exactly what is going to happen.
See since the new AI video converter has come out from ChatGPT. It is essentially almost life like, and the issue is that…I can still sort of tell its AI but not really. I’m not sure what it is but I can just tell. Something in the clip usually stick’s out.
And it has become, almost overnight, 2/3 out of 5 videos on say ‘shorts’ on youtube or various other short form content is basically AI generated POV stunts or AI generated stunts in general. Or even skits.
You know what has happened now? I’ve watched basically 70% less short form content in 2 days and it will eventually be zero. Recognising that what I’m watching isnt real has instantly killed my interest in watching. I instead have watched more content from my actual subscription page, from real creators. The only issue is barely anyone seems to notice that it is AI now based in the comments and thats what gonna decide what happens next.
Knowing what I’m watching isn’t real instantly ruins any reason to watch it and the same applies to music and all creatives forms and if that happens on a large scale I have no idea whats gonna happen.
Have been banging the drum on this for years, Ai is going to wipe out every creative practice. It needs to be regulated or to have embedded data that labels every piece of this media as artificial
While human-made things might have more value than machine-made things, facing extinction remains inevitable for people who are not rich (very rich).
I’m a musician.. and yeah, AI is going to take over most music composition. It will be “good enough” and extremely inexpensive. There will be outliers where human creativity wins out, but the majority of works will be AI driven.
But, it will never take over live shows. People will still want to experience things live.
And there is going to be a period where musicians receive almost no royalties because streaming services do not want to lay out for AI generated content. You can’t copyright it. But the tools artists use will have AI baked in. So, publishing and artists rights are going to be in flux… but the streaming services are still getting their $$$ and not paying it out.
People have not been able to win against neural networks at chess for decades now…has chess stopped being played?