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    Epstein said Andrew did have photo taken with Virginia Giuffre, emails show
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    Epstein said Andrew did have photo taken with Virginia Giuffre, emails show

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    2. AugustusReddit on

      I thought that Andy was getting a takeaway pizza in London when the alleged photo was taken. And since Andy has trouble sweating (some glandular issue apparently) he couldn’t have been the sweaty lookalike in the photo. Obviously fake news – according to his good chum D J Trump… /s

    3. Cielo11 on

      12 million pay off, Removing his Royal titles, and an interview of him clearly lying. I don’t think we need these emails to know he is guilty of everything Virginia accused him of.

      The sad part is that a victim of sexual abuse came out, and was strong enough to go public, yet people still treated her like shit and refused to believe her.

    4. tritoon140 on

      “Real photo is real” shock!

      The fact that this is even news is ridiculous. We know a photo was taken. We’ve seen it.

    5. dbe14 on

      Epstein taped many of his “clients” for blackmail/favors purposes, there will absolutely be videos of Andrew and indeed Trump raping underage girls. The FBI has those videos now.

    6. sjintje on

      That’s a useless article, can’t work out what the email exchanges are on about and the narrative doesn’t help in any way.

    7. Striking_Smile6594 on

      The obsession with this photo is silly. In of itself it proves nothing beside the fact that Andrew and Giuffre once met. We need to be looking for actual evidence of crimes being committed.

    8. jodrellbank_pants on

      He’s just going to fade into obscurity, he will never be brought to account, just like trump. He’s a user and abuser not a pimp.

    9. alanbastard on

      Epstein was so narcissistic that he played everyone from presidents to princes to get what he needed. I admire his balls.

    10. draenog_ on

      In all seriousness, Andrew would have been far better off coming up with a believable lie like “Look, I’m deeply ashamed of this because I now see that the power dynamics were wrong, but I **did** sleep with her. I thought it was consensual, I was used to young women throwing themselves at me because I’m a prince, I didn’t realise she was being paid and trafficked. I’m deeply sorry.”

      His refusal to admit any wrong-doing at all and coming up with weird alibis that didn’t pass the sniff test (“The photo must be doctored”, “I was at a pizza express in Woking that night”, “Funny story, I can’t actually sweat due to a psychological injury I sustained *back when I was a war hero*, remember that?”) has made him come across as dishonest and unreliable and led us all to conclude that the allegations must be true.

      Although I suppose the issue was that while she was over the age of consent in the UK and in New York, she wasn’t over the age of consent in the US Virgin Islands, where Little Saint James/”Epstein Island” is. So if he admitted sleeping with her in the first two places he’d be making the case stronger (or admitting) that he’d slept with her in the third too, and that could have led to criminal proceedings against him. Not a lawyer, but doing some reading I’m getting the impression that depending on what exactly they charged him with and what they believed about his intent/knowledge of the situation, he could have been imprisoned for 10-20 years.

      But given the allegations came out in 2010, he could have been out of prison by the age of 60-70 (5 years ago, or in 5 years time) having served his time, and I bet the palace would have worked on a redemption arc for him in the public eye. Rather than him spending the rest of his life as a pariah with everyone *knowing* he’s guilty but never facing real consequences or taking accountability.

      Unless, of course, Virginia Giuffre was the tip of the iceberg, and he was afraid of what *else* might come out in court. Giuffre did allege that the sexual encounter on Little Saint James involved several other underage girls. Were there other underage girls he saw individually who have never come forwards? Was he involved in dodgy financial dealings? Would opening that can of worms have led to a much longer sentence, and him potentially dying of old age in prison?

    12. Lawfulraccoon on

      We all know there’s more to come, but it’s certainly on the way given the removal of his titles etc. classic pr trying to get ahead of it