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  1. irrelevantusername24 on

    ITT: Me explaining _exactly_ how literally the same things the Nazi’s did are happening, right now, all over the world, but specifically in the country most people on reddit live in (the us) and people responding with “lol no we aren’t, shut up you’re next on the list anyway. I sure am glad I haven’t flipped to page two of the list yet! Because so far I still have enough money to not become homeless and then “mentally ill” – as long as we stay on the first page of the list! And anyway, even if we get to page two, I’ll definitely be able to communicate to the Experts who we totally are sure have indisputable understanding of both human psychology and medicine and our treatments and there are zero questions or anything whatsoever, shut up, it definitely isn’t anything to do with it mostly being about money – er uh I am not going to consent to… wait what do you mean it doesn’t matter if I consent? I’m poor, not crazy!”

    This is literally a crime against humanity.

    This is literally Nazi shit.

    We are already there

    Assuming the data is correct and true.

    Which I should check, but I’m not going to, because in this specific context I already know the reality (We are already there) regardless of whether or not this specific data is correct and true

    If you argue we should continue this my argument is going to be how about we needlessly inject you with insulin (or if you have diabetes we restrict your access to insulin)? AKA how about we kill you instead?

    Facts are socioeconomics is responsible for 90%+ of “mental illness” and ignoring that is the only way any of the clearly uneffective “treatments” (eg ECT) are “justified” – which is the same conceptual “justification” as “but the Jews are clearly lesser people!”

    Like you can understand and agree socioeconomics is the problem in 90%+ of “mental illness” [edit: actually it doesn’t matter if you agree with that or not, you can agree that a human being who is not severely – ___severely____ mentally handicapped, to the point it is beyond obvious within .2 seconds of talking or even seeing them, they _must_ knowingly consent to anything that is going to happen to their being, their “habeus corpus”. You fucking Nazi’s. The only time it is okay to do something non consensually is when that person is _clearly_ harming their own self or others. It is __never__ okay to _non consensually_ do something to another sentient human being without their consent if the goal is to help them. You Fucking Nazi’s. /edit] while also recognizing that is a much more difficult problem to address, which means if an “uneffective” treatment such as “here’s some drugs” that is supported and accepted by a fully informed “patient” – well that is one thing. Forcing any person to be shocked is clearly a non consensual thing and a crime against humanity. You fucking Nazi’s

    I’m right you fucking Nazi’s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T4-Gutachter

  2. Hmm, feels a little misleading to call a jump from 1->31 a “3100% rise” even if it is technically correct. Agree with the other commenter that there may have been some procedural change or new treatment recommendations for a disorder.

    Also, your title would suggest that these are forced treatments which has an implication of violence, but it is literally a court petition for a medical treatment when a patient is unable to provide consent often because their mental condition prevents it (ergo, the term involuntary in your data). I would doubt that the majority of the time any one is receiving a treatment which is truely forced against a knowing will, nor that a course of treatment would be continued if it wasn’t having the desired therapeutic effect. Correct me of I am mistaken in my understanding of the procedures here, this just seems like a misunderstanding and fear mongering about a modern medical treatment.