Not technically true, it depends on what he told them in his assessment for the benefits. If he said he can’t do x y and z on a daily basis to qualify for the benefit, then goes and plays cricket then it invalidates what he said.
recursant on
>with the help of a runner and an umpire holding his crutch.
Misread that as crotch, got quite confused.
Emotional-Ebb8321 on
You know what? I don’t even care if he’s a world class paralympian. If you’re missing a major body part and it isn’t self-inflicted for the purpose of claiming benefits, just give the money. No further questions. Life is sucky enough already if you’ve only got one leg to stand on.
Edit: The state of this fucking country, downvoting charity for disabled people. Why not just go full zyklon B if you’re going to do this, you cheapskates.
TheNoGnome on
Ah, because playing cricket makes the costs of a substantial disability cheaper, for sure. Definitely!
The DWP are spiteful scumbags and most healthy people would be astonished how badly they treat the disabled.
Obi-Scone on
Wow, the UK press is such a right-wing shit-fest it’s hard to figure out what the actual truth of the story is.
warnwise on
I’m not sure he will be able to pay it back either way, seems like they could have spent a bit more time getting it right for him going forward that trekking back over what I would assume is 5 or 6 years… Do we reckon more than £36,000 was spent in recovering this money at £10 a month lol
TheCharalampos on
I still remember my permanently paraplegic mother having to go in a 3 hour journey just so a panel of people would go “Oh yeah still paralysed”
inside-outdoorsman on
I haven’t looked into the case in detail, but would you rather have this chap sitting home alone with no active role in his community or getting no exercise? On top of his benefits you’d now have to cover the costs of his mental and physical health decline too. But no, of course, how dare people receiving benefits also enjoy life or experience joy once in a while
bowen7477 on
Theres loads of jobs he could. He could be a kickstand for a motorcycle for a start
squirrelbo1 on
I do find this difficult in some ways because he’s clearly missing a limb. That’s obviously going to have an impact on his life. He should probably be supported.
I also think that sport is great for mental and physical health. What the DWP are saying here is if you are disabled and are getting PIP you better not do any sport or we will have the money back.
Aspect-Unusual on
Can I just point out something here, this guy lost his PiP because some envious asshat reported him as a someone faking their disability and how it affects them, the person reporting them had to know
1) his name
2) where he lives
3) that he plays cricket.
So chances are it was a “friend” or a family member who reported him (a man with a amputated leg as a faker…)
Flux_Aeternal on
Seems pretty cut and dried tbh, the comments here are more reflective of the sub bias. Interesting that he lied to the journalist about not wanting to take it to tribunal when in fact he had gone to tribunal and lost.
His attitude pretty clearly also seems to be “I have this condition so I should receive X payment” rather than receiving money based on functional limitations, which can lead people to try and fudge their level of disability to get the payment they think they deserve. An attitude which I’ve also seen multiple times on Reddit and is probably playing a big part in fueling mistrust of benefits claimants.
AidyCakes on
Too many people in these comments have no understanding of PIP
Existing_Macaron_616 on
There isn’t the information in the article to make an informed opinion on the matter either way. If he’s told them he can’t do basic tasks such as getting up to make a cup of tea when he is playing cricket then obviously that’s misleading.
Sea-Caterpillar-255 on
One of the issues here is why someone with one leg is getting benefits at all?
It’s sad he lost his leg. But 99% of jobs don’t require you to have 2, there is no reason he cannot live a normal life in a normal house with a normal job with a normal family with almost zero assistance.
But sure, the benefit bill is unaffordable but every individual case is justified…
11Kram on
Douglas Bader lost both legs in a flying accident and still fought in the Battle of Britain as a fighter pilot. He played golf all his life. He also never used crutches.
SojournerInThisVale on
There was actually a trend in 18th century cricket that they would play exhibition games such as a team of one legged players against a team of one armed players
hepworthy on
I’m not able to read this article to see what the context of this is at all, so who knows if this is legit or not.
WinHour4300 on
He doesn’t have to pay it back because he “plays cricket” but because he lied and doesn’t meet the criteria.
Moving around.
– Can stand and then move more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 0 points.
– Can stand and then move more than 50 metres but no more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 4 points.
– Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 8 points.
– Can stand and then move using an aid or appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 10 points.
– can stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided. 12 points.
– Cannot, either aided or unaided, –
stand; or
move more than 1 metre. 12 points.
A crutch or walking stick counts as an aid, it’s listed. He’s walking around the cricket field with an aid, more than 20 metres.
At most he is eligible for 8 points, not 12 points so he gets a free brand new car.
Many, many people walk with a stick or crutch and aren’t eligible for a free car.
Actual-Photograph794 on
I’m disabled and don’t feel like getting into it with other posters today, but I would like to ask, since when have the Telegraph ever done anything except imply all PIP claimants are scamming?
tofer85 on
They say he’s a confident batter when the ball on his leg stump…
_Monsterguy_ on
It’s nothing to do with him playing cricket, it’s just benefit fraud.
To get the higher rate mobility of PIP, which is required to be able to get a car through Motability, he has to have told them he can’t walk 50 meters.
Strange to see an article that’s seemingly in favour of benefit fraud, they can’t usually stop themselves from practically screaming “JUST LET THE CRIPS DIE”
shaftydude on
So basically if he was unhealthy/overweight stayed at home, people would be happy to pay him his benefits.
According_Parfait680 on
I’m loving the ‘I’m further to the right than the Torygraph on benefits’ bum fight in here. Fuck me this country is full of mean spirited jobsworths.
JamaicanSoup on
As a disabled person this is unsurprising. The current system makes it impossible to get benefits for most illnesses so the majority of people lie on their applications.
greenpowerman99 on
Torygraph pretending to care about disabled people so they can attack the Labour government. Fuck off.
Mindless-Hornet5703 on
Meanwhile someone with ‘Adult ADHD’ is on highest rate of PIP
zestinglemon on
As someone who has volunteered at a charity for mentally and physically disabled people and am now (hopefully just temporarily) disabled myself now, I can say from what I’ve seen and heard, the the benefits system is often very unfair on genuine disabled people.
When filling out a PIP form, the unofficial advice is to basically lie about how you are day to day by making out that how you feel on your worst possible day is actually how you feel every day. This is because supposedly the system can be very strict in its requirements and assessors will always only note down your best case scenario. So as a random example, if you said 1/7 days, your disability made you bed bound, 5/7 days you struggled to do things around the house and can’t go outside, whilst the other 1/7 days you felt able to get in your car and drive to a supermarket to get your shopping; the assessor would take that as ‘the claimant is able to drive about independently, walk around, complete chores, complete physical tasks, engage with society and live independently.’
So if I were to guess here, the man in question maybe usually can’t do a whole lot in his life but when he can, he goes out to get some necessary exercise to play disability friendly, assisted cricket. Now because he can’t do much with his life, he may need benefits but knows in order to be illegible he has to make out that his 1 in 7 days, bad day is actually 7 in 7 days of the week. He probably knew that if he put sometimes during the week, he feels well enough to play disability friendly cricket, then that will be taken as he can play competitive sports by the DWP. Now the DWP have found out and have decided he can play sports and has thus lied and is ineligible for benefits after all.
It’s sort of a lose, lose system as claimants just want to be taken seriously and are forced to lie, whilst the DWP doesn’t want to pay but forces people to make out they are worse than they actually are. Then something like this happens and the person who does actually need benefits but has been forced by the system to lie, gets found out and has to find £36 grand to cough up.
Ironrats on
I remember when the Tories were in power and the comments would be ripping into them like the ghouls they were, only now the boot on the other foot, and the ghouls are on the other side.
360Saturn on
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; we’re becoming a country, or even a society, that normalises cruelty and looks down on compassion.
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Not technically true, it depends on what he told them in his assessment for the benefits. If he said he can’t do x y and z on a daily basis to qualify for the benefit, then goes and plays cricket then it invalidates what he said.
>with the help of a runner and an umpire holding his crutch.
Misread that as crotch, got quite confused.
You know what? I don’t even care if he’s a world class paralympian. If you’re missing a major body part and it isn’t self-inflicted for the purpose of claiming benefits, just give the money. No further questions. Life is sucky enough already if you’ve only got one leg to stand on.
Edit: The state of this fucking country, downvoting charity for disabled people. Why not just go full zyklon B if you’re going to do this, you cheapskates.
Ah, because playing cricket makes the costs of a substantial disability cheaper, for sure. Definitely!
The DWP are spiteful scumbags and most healthy people would be astonished how badly they treat the disabled.
Wow, the UK press is such a right-wing shit-fest it’s hard to figure out what the actual truth of the story is.
I’m not sure he will be able to pay it back either way, seems like they could have spent a bit more time getting it right for him going forward that trekking back over what I would assume is 5 or 6 years… Do we reckon more than £36,000 was spent in recovering this money at £10 a month lol
I still remember my permanently paraplegic mother having to go in a 3 hour journey just so a panel of people would go “Oh yeah still paralysed”
I haven’t looked into the case in detail, but would you rather have this chap sitting home alone with no active role in his community or getting no exercise? On top of his benefits you’d now have to cover the costs of his mental and physical health decline too. But no, of course, how dare people receiving benefits also enjoy life or experience joy once in a while
Theres loads of jobs he could. He could be a kickstand for a motorcycle for a start
I do find this difficult in some ways because he’s clearly missing a limb. That’s obviously going to have an impact on his life. He should probably be supported.
I also think that sport is great for mental and physical health. What the DWP are saying here is if you are disabled and are getting PIP you better not do any sport or we will have the money back.
Can I just point out something here, this guy lost his PiP because some envious asshat reported him as a someone faking their disability and how it affects them, the person reporting them had to know
1) his name
2) where he lives
3) that he plays cricket.
So chances are it was a “friend” or a family member who reported him (a man with a amputated leg as a faker…)
Seems pretty cut and dried tbh, the comments here are more reflective of the sub bias. Interesting that he lied to the journalist about not wanting to take it to tribunal when in fact he had gone to tribunal and lost.
His attitude pretty clearly also seems to be “I have this condition so I should receive X payment” rather than receiving money based on functional limitations, which can lead people to try and fudge their level of disability to get the payment they think they deserve. An attitude which I’ve also seen multiple times on Reddit and is probably playing a big part in fueling mistrust of benefits claimants.
Too many people in these comments have no understanding of PIP
There isn’t the information in the article to make an informed opinion on the matter either way. If he’s told them he can’t do basic tasks such as getting up to make a cup of tea when he is playing cricket then obviously that’s misleading.
One of the issues here is why someone with one leg is getting benefits at all?
It’s sad he lost his leg. But 99% of jobs don’t require you to have 2, there is no reason he cannot live a normal life in a normal house with a normal job with a normal family with almost zero assistance.
But sure, the benefit bill is unaffordable but every individual case is justified…
Douglas Bader lost both legs in a flying accident and still fought in the Battle of Britain as a fighter pilot. He played golf all his life. He also never used crutches.
There was actually a trend in 18th century cricket that they would play exhibition games such as a team of one legged players against a team of one armed players
I’m not able to read this article to see what the context of this is at all, so who knows if this is legit or not.
He doesn’t have to pay it back because he “plays cricket” but because he lied and doesn’t meet the criteria.
Moving around.
– Can stand and then move more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 0 points.
– Can stand and then move more than 50 metres but no more than 200 metres, either aided or unaided. 4 points.
– Can stand and then move unaided more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 8 points.
– Can stand and then move using an aid or appliance more than 20 metres but no more than 50 metres. 10 points.
– can stand and then move more than 1 metre but no more than 20 metres, either aided or unaided. 12 points.
– Cannot, either aided or unaided, –
stand; or
move more than 1 metre. 12 points.
A crutch or walking stick counts as an aid, it’s listed. He’s walking around the cricket field with an aid, more than 20 metres.
At most he is eligible for 8 points, not 12 points so he gets a free brand new car.
Many, many people walk with a stick or crutch and aren’t eligible for a free car.
I’m disabled and don’t feel like getting into it with other posters today, but I would like to ask, since when have the Telegraph ever done anything except imply all PIP claimants are scamming?
They say he’s a confident batter when the ball on his leg stump…
It’s nothing to do with him playing cricket, it’s just benefit fraud.
To get the higher rate mobility of PIP, which is required to be able to get a car through Motability, he has to have told them he can’t walk 50 meters.
Strange to see an article that’s seemingly in favour of benefit fraud, they can’t usually stop themselves from practically screaming “JUST LET THE CRIPS DIE”
So basically if he was unhealthy/overweight stayed at home, people would be happy to pay him his benefits.
I’m loving the ‘I’m further to the right than the Torygraph on benefits’ bum fight in here. Fuck me this country is full of mean spirited jobsworths.
As a disabled person this is unsurprising. The current system makes it impossible to get benefits for most illnesses so the majority of people lie on their applications.
Torygraph pretending to care about disabled people so they can attack the Labour government. Fuck off.
Meanwhile someone with ‘Adult ADHD’ is on highest rate of PIP
As someone who has volunteered at a charity for mentally and physically disabled people and am now (hopefully just temporarily) disabled myself now, I can say from what I’ve seen and heard, the the benefits system is often very unfair on genuine disabled people.
When filling out a PIP form, the unofficial advice is to basically lie about how you are day to day by making out that how you feel on your worst possible day is actually how you feel every day. This is because supposedly the system can be very strict in its requirements and assessors will always only note down your best case scenario. So as a random example, if you said 1/7 days, your disability made you bed bound, 5/7 days you struggled to do things around the house and can’t go outside, whilst the other 1/7 days you felt able to get in your car and drive to a supermarket to get your shopping; the assessor would take that as ‘the claimant is able to drive about independently, walk around, complete chores, complete physical tasks, engage with society and live independently.’
So if I were to guess here, the man in question maybe usually can’t do a whole lot in his life but when he can, he goes out to get some necessary exercise to play disability friendly, assisted cricket. Now because he can’t do much with his life, he may need benefits but knows in order to be illegible he has to make out that his 1 in 7 days, bad day is actually 7 in 7 days of the week. He probably knew that if he put sometimes during the week, he feels well enough to play disability friendly cricket, then that will be taken as he can play competitive sports by the DWP. Now the DWP have found out and have decided he can play sports and has thus lied and is ineligible for benefits after all.
It’s sort of a lose, lose system as claimants just want to be taken seriously and are forced to lie, whilst the DWP doesn’t want to pay but forces people to make out they are worse than they actually are. Then something like this happens and the person who does actually need benefits but has been forced by the system to lie, gets found out and has to find £36 grand to cough up.
I remember when the Tories were in power and the comments would be ripping into them like the ghouls they were, only now the boot on the other foot, and the ghouls are on the other side.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; we’re becoming a country, or even a society, that normalises cruelty and looks down on compassion.