I know there are many advocates of private initiative up here, and I’m wondering how you will defend the disclosure of new amphibian pig farms. You really don’t think it’s a systemic problem?
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https://www.mladina.si/245289/tajna-operacija/
https://www.mladina.si/245250/konec-igre/
But just over a month ago, at the request of the general director of the Ljubljana clinical center, she took over the clinical department for maxillofacial and oral surgery. And then realized that they were under the previous management at the clinic in regularly ordered patients, only one extraction (pulling) of a tooth per day was performed on averageas a result of which the waiting times for this service with them amounted to more than three years.
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This is not just a revelation that some (of course, this is not an isolated case) waiting times are fake and that it is a special system with which individuals from the health sector force the state to privatize a health service due to the plight of patients. It is one thing to say that the previous management of the mentioned department deliberately created a crisis, by having the department perform only one tooth extraction per day, in order to create false queues and thus pressure to privatize the activity, as the waiting time thereby increased to a terrifying three years – which is an outrageously long time for tooth extraction. But we only see the true dimension if we look at the matter from the patients’ point of view: then we are talking about the fact that the previous management actually consciously left the patients in pain and immense hardship, even though they could have helped them, but decided not to.
This is a real consequence of the actions of the previous management: patients suffered because of the economic interests of some doctors. Not one day – but many years! And not one man. The dimensions are terrifying. In the year 2025, for example, there are 251 working days. So the previous management would have done 251 tooth extractions this year, and the new management 1,255 in the same time period.
The new head of the maxillofacial clinic Nataša Ihan Hren this week from her flatmates he even receives physical threats. The pressure, he says, is worse than all the worst expectations.
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The Novi Meš orthopedist diverted patients to a private surgery, where he operated
https://www.24ur.com/novice/slovenija/novomeski-ortoped-paciente-preusmerjal-v-zasebno-ordinacijo-kjer-je-operiral.html
Extraordinary professional supervision at the orthopedic department of the hospital in Novi Sad showed that its manager, Gregor Kavčič, artificially lengthened the waiting list, while at the same time diverting patients to the private institution where he operated. The management dismissed him as head of the department and terminated his employment contract.
As Milena Kramar Zupan, director of the Novo mesto General Hospital, said at the press conference, one of the patients called them indignantly and said that they were alerted to the controversial practice. employees from the hospital call her and offer her the possibility of faster hip surgery in a private practice with a concession in Otočec. She refused the offer, but informed the management about it.
The latter immediately decided on extraordinary professional supervision in the department, which is "perverted practice" confirmed. According to Kramar Zupanova, it showed that in the last four months, and more intensively in the last two, Gregor Kavčič diverted more than 150 patients from the waiting list to the private practice where he operated. It was mainly for lighter patients, where no major complications are expected, she said. There was no need to pay for the intervention, as the practice has a concession, and he also issued a referral for it. It is the practice of Arbor Mea from Ljubljana, which has rented premises in the surgical center Avelana in Otočec, she said.
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Tole namerno daljšanje čakalnih dob je po mojem mnenju kar konkretno kršenje Hipokratove prisege.
Gre pa za zelo predvidljivo in prosojno strategijo zasebnega uničevanja javnega. Pobereš lahke primere in jih pod lastnim okriljem zdraviš, težje pa namerno obračaš v agoniji daljšanja čakalnih vrst saj je to le voda na mlin svoje zasebne dejavnosti.
(niso vse čakalne vrste zlagane, ampak tehnika ni komplicirana, če se je lotiš)
Odlično! Vsaj dobim obravnavo, ki jo potrebujem
Pišete neresnice. Na stomatoloski kliniki se populi na dan ogromno zob. En dan pejte tja za par ur in se osebno prepričajte, videli boste polno čakalnico ljudi, ki čakajo na poseg. Prioriteta kirurgov je pa valda zdravljenje rakavih obolenj in poškodb. Komplicirane ekstrakcije so po triaziranju in napotitvi zdravnikov na pomembnejše operacije žal na zadnjem mestu. Za to je tam zaposlen 1specialist oralne kirurgije.
Definitivno pa vsak dan v OP oralne kirurgije na dveh stolih vzporedno delajo male posege vsak dan, v pritličju pa se v ENKI na treh vzporednih stolih puli zobe na polno.
Kako kirurg ki primarno operira onkološke paciente in skrbi za poškodbe podaljšuje čakalne dobe za izklese osmic (to ni v njihovi domeni) je ultra plot twist medijev in primitivcev, glasnih nepoznavalce sistema.
Razglasit za prihodnih 10 let izredne razmere v zdravstvu in začasno suspendirati pravico do svobodne gospodarske pobude, država prevzame vodenje vse zdravstvene dejavnosti, pol pa gremo dalje, številke, exel tablece in bomo vidli kaj in kako.
> pri redno naročenih pacientih opravljali v povprečju le po eno ekstrakcijo (puljenje) zoba na dan
Koliko jih je placal ZZZS? A so naredili vse, ki jih je placal ZZZS, ali pa je ZZZS ponujal vec denarja, pa so rekli, da nimajo casa?
Pri nas so cakalne vrste odvisne samo od tega, koliko placa zzzs.
Če ima nekdo hidden post history je zame bot, v najboljšem primeru pa nekaj skriva.
Vidim da vlada zopet švica zaradi zdravstva, je potrebno začeti novo kampanjo blatenja zdravnikov. Me zanima ali se bosta jenull in Keber tudi tokrat pridružila, glede na to da sta sedaj s Kordišem.
Drugače obstaja dobra rešitev za nastalo situacijo. Plače 3x gor pa prepoved ne bo več pomembna.
Ko je sekretar na ministrstvu za solidarno prihodnost za 4 dni dela od doma umeščen v višji razred kot zdravnik specialist vidiš da nekaj ne štima. Pa še dodatek za obremenitev ima, ki je v zdravstvu še nisem srečal.
Zdravniki sami bi morali najstrožje nastopiti proti takim zlorabam, ki jih izvajajo njihovi stanovski kolegi, saj ravno taki posamezniki mečejo slabo luč na njihovo stroko.
Ampak ampak, Bojana Beovič in Fides dajo pacienta na prvo mesto?? Aja hipokratova prisega nima veze, razen ko jo potrebujemo za uveljavljanje naše politike. Hipokrizija nekaterih zdravnikov je absurdna že.
Ali je res bistven podatek, koliko puljenj zob se lahko opravi na oddelku za maksilofacialno krurgijo? Puljenj zob? Na edinem oddelku v državi, kjer se opravljajo operacije kompleksnih prirojenih nepravilnosti in najhujših vrst raka obraza, vratu in ust. In mi govorimo o tem, da je norma koliko zob se izpuli na dan?
Zobe bomo imeli kje izpuliti tudi takrat, ko se bo ta oddelek zaprl. Ostalo, kar sem naštel, bo problem.
Glede drugih stvari pa, če je res, so to lahko kazniva dejanja, lahko pa prekrški za odpoved delovnega razmerja. Imamo postopke, organe, ki lahko preverijo dejstva in ustrezno ukrepajo.
In v obeh primerih sta omenjeni direktorici odgovorni, kaj se dogaja pri njih. Imata vsa pooblastila za ukrepanje. Kje smo pa še videli, da gre šef (privatne) firme v medije jokat “moji zaposleni pa ne delajo, kar jim ukažem, stranke mi speljujejo drugam, itd.” To bi se mu vsi smejali. Vodja si zato, da take stvari preprečiš, kaznuješ.
Novo vodstvo bo izpulilo 1255 zob, ker drugega ne bojo več počeli.
Sicer pa ni smisla opravljati puljenja zob v terciarni ustanovi, to je kot da bi h ekipi formule 1 peljal menjati olje v avtu.
Jaz verjamem da se namerno povzroca cakalne dobe in prav iz oddelka maksilofacialne in oralne kirurgije imam eno prigodo
Modrostni zob me je bolel par mescev nakar se odlocim da ga grem pulit. Poklicem na to kliniko in mi recejo pridte jutr ob 6ih zjutrej pa obvezno si zrihtajte nujno napotnico.
Okej jaz vzamem resno si vse uredim zjutraj pridem tja zive duse nikjer (sploh se niso zacel delat). Po stirih urah cakanja in poslusanja kako ropotajo salcke od kofeta in se krohotajo notr ni nobeden odprl vrat kaj sele da bi noter poklicali kaksnega pacienta
Ko pa so mi popustili zivci (od bolecin seveda) sem se zacel pritozevat in nakoncu od sestre dobil pod nos da je ona tam suzenj sistema in nevem kaj vse in nakoncu sem dobil groznje da bodo poklicali varnostnika
Vrgel sem ji napotnico v glavo in odkorakal ven
Hvala ker ste poslusali moj rant
Pa to je to kar pravim.
Namerno manj vpisov, namerno manj zdravnikov, namerno manj pregledov.
Vse zaradi denarja…
A pomoc pri smrti pa ne, ker to je kršenje prisege …
Namensko puščanje ljudi in ustvarjanje čakalnih vrst pa ne…
Pa daj nehaj no
ah well… anyway
Ce delas drzavno lh sam drzavno, ce si privat si privat, to je moja filozofija, nimam proti ene niti proti druge, pusti ljudjem d zberejo sami, sam nims kej delat na obeh straneh, prvo si ti bl sfukan kar pomeni vecja sansa napak, drugo ti je velka inciativa da ih preusmers drugje kar tud ni prou. Eno al drugo.
To je sam moje mnenje pomoje drugi bol vejo in razumejo.
Puljenje zob nima na maksilofacialni kirurgiji kaj počet, maš gazzilion oralnih kirurgov ki pa že od pamti veka to delajo privat.