Model David Gandy says there is not enough narrative about ‘good men’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-gandy-centre-for-social-justice-andrew-tate-british-laura-kuenssberg-b2875156.html
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Model David Gandy says there is not enough narrative about ‘good men’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/david-gandy-centre-for-social-justice-andrew-tate-british-laura-kuenssberg-b2875156.html
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Dead serious: Peppa Pigs dad is apparently not a good man according to David Gandy.
“Useless fool” – such a scathing review of Bacon Sr.
> one of the best-paid male models and known for Dolce and Gabbana’s 2007 advert for Light Blue in which he wore a pair of white briefs.
This guy sounds like a fucking genius
Something about people trying to push back against the manosphere really infuriates right wingers.
Then create the narrative, be that good man.
This goes for us all, be the good man and teach that to your kids, nephews, cousins, etc. Be the man that listens to your friends and lets them know they can come to you if they have problems. Be the man that reaches out if you think they may be depressed or lonely. Be the man that actually listens to criticisms regarding negative male attitudes and doesn’t just get defensive and angry.
After his feature in this video, I can never take him seriously. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbeoV5ANNI&pp=ygUTTWVzc2FnZSB0byBzbHV0aGF0ZQ%3D%3D
I get the idea, but the issue is the males who are influenced by andrew tate will not be swayed by any campaign to be good. Also it feels like patronising to call what should be standard human behaviour “good man”.
This article references something he said 2 weeks ago have we not moved through the news cycle yet?
As someone who considers himself a “good man”, an opinion my wife, friends, mum, brother, etc all seem to share, I can answer this –
It’s just the default. You don’t need a “narrative”. It’s just the norm and how you should be.
A lot of people that wade in on the Tate/Manosphere debate haven’t spoken to lost young lads about what’s going on.
They look up to him because he has material possessions and they don’t, they feel isolated in their lives and his words resonate with them. So you try to explain what he thinks of women and says about them, and those women are their classmates, their sisters, their mums etc.
By the time they discover him, where were the male role models? Where were the positive images of men in their lives? If their dad is either absent, dead or awful, and likewise stepdad/uncle etc then it all adds up.
I’ve spent my life as one of the good guys and wonder what else there is to do, because opinions just seem to keep getting more polarised
John Cena. I haven’t seen or heard anything bad about him? Jacked, masculine, polite, respectful, LGBTQ+ supporter, most Make a Wish appearances.
Surely a good role model.
More of my feed is male than female, mostly because I shamelessly admit I like the eye candy. It’s also fairly niche, because of the sort of things I feed into it.
Blumineck: British content creator, does pole dance (and openly admits that he admires the sex workers that made the art what it is today), archery, cross dressing, and has a small armoury of bows, crossbows, swords, axes, and polearms that he demonstrates in his garden, sometimes while doing pole work
Sellsword Arts: two guys in Texas, who are both high level HEMA fencers, and their friend Megan, who mix nerdy pop culture with serious sword stuff
Jacques Ze Whipper: American performer who swapped being a television weatherman for whip artistry and singing filk songs live on stage
Instructor Bensei: highly skilled martial artist who does some amazing tricks with a meteor hammer and rope dart
RobinSwords: very sharply dressed swordsman
Tank Tolman: a Viking who does inspirational and mental health posts, along with duets showcasing the abilities of other weapons nerds
Yee Yee Life: gun wielding crazy man who shoots things with a selection of guns to test the stopping power, from a .22 up to a .50 caliber, from paper plates up to a hay bale
Glenn DeVarr: a southern country boy who makes an absolutely fabulous Queen
Stuart Mackey: Irish disaster bisexual BookTok thirst trap
Daniel Alexander/dalecsander: American bisexual BookTok thirst trap with a stripper pole in his living room
Badge502: American EMT who says No to putting things up your lower orifice(s) that aren’t specifically designed for that purpose
Oliver Stark: British actor who seems to be as much of a human golden retriever as his most prominent character is
Good men are out there. They don’t shout about being good men. They don’t make a big deal about being good men. They just exist, as good men, and if their interests don’t align with yours then you probably won’t see them in your feeds. I found most of these guys by accident, or because I was looking at one of them so another one got recommended to me by the algorithm.
And that’s what the problem is: if the algorithm doesn’t see that something matches your interests, then you won’t get that thing recommended. If you’re watching the likes of Andrew Tate, then it won’t recommend Stuart, or Ericano, or Jacques because their outlook on life is antithetical to Tate’s.
The narrative around men that social media loves to propagate is that they are more dangerous than an apex predator or having one as a boyfriend is embarrassing (Vogue), it literally could not get worse in some places. I know it’s still a minority but it’s really not surprising some young men are getting radicalised or rejecting mainstream politics, what social media allows and real world politics dismiss as being not serious is going to cause chaos.
I agree with him. The narrative needs to change.
Attitudes towards men are consistently negative (patriarchy, incels, toxic masculinity) and negligent (issues affecting men are largely ignored).
It makes some men – particularly those who are isolated or in otherwise difficult circumstances – feel demonised which is extremely counterproductive for all of society.
In the past powerful executives could control who our role models on TV and cinema would be. Sometimes for better and sometimes for worse. But there were limits in place that would prevent the extreme views reaching kids.
Now however with social media these checks and balances are no longer in place. Social media companies refuse to take the additional measures required to keep our children safe, because it hurts their bottom dollar. So whilst there are some good role models out there, there are also plenty of bad ones too.
We do have good male role models but the problem with masculine narratives is that they’re often dominated by the language of violence and domination so rewriting the good man narrative is much harder because we’re not entirely sure what it looks like
To me, a good man is just one who is kind, supportive and moral but that is very nebulous, in the same way that woman’s achievements are often implicitly offset against male ones, which in my opinion, reduces woman
I think really the good man narrative is kinda just trash at this point as the coding of both genders has gone down the pan as we’ve realised we’re basically the same, so we can no longer reduce good qualities down to easy symbols like Kings, Heroes, Providers, etc etc
It’s not a bad thing, it’s just a thing that’s happened as a result of something good
Made me think there aren’t many ‘good men’ narratives out there. Maybe Dick Van Dyke who’s probably had nothing bad written about him.
The entire “positive role models” concept will never work as long as mainstream society and feminism take it as a tenet that there is nothing that men do better than women. You’re gaslighting children by telling them on one hand for example “leadership is a positive example of masculinity” and then at the same time telling them it’s wrong to claim that men make better leaders than women. Either we need to treat everything as gender neutral and stop blaming only men and boys or we need to throw boys a bone and say that actually yes men and women are different some of it is bad but men are good at all of these things too. Right now the only characteristics that it is socially acceptable to assign to men and masculinity are negative traits like violence and abuse.
Unfortunately those men who may have the privilege of having good stories told about them will have their own values diminished with the values in the story. I’m not referring to the media or Hollywood. I mean the other institutions these stories are about.
So they can’t be equal parents in the end.
So be careful what you wish for, men who feel vulnerable and are taken in by these kinds of arguments.
They don’t have power in a relationship where someone is controlling their story. And it changes what they can do as parents.
It means I can’t imagine a kid more radical than me treated fairly.
I’m not a Men’s Right Activist. I know it can be unpopular on Reddit to state that. But it’s a toxic trap. I hope that’s not what this is. That’s another reason I’m arguing for critical thinking with these kinds of stories.
He’s not wrong though is he
Amount of shit I’ve watched recently where it’s a super intelligent female lead with the buffoon side kick male it’s embarrassing.
Not helped by the BBC constantly pushing this narrative
I don’t know really, are role models really a reality of the human psyche?
As a kid I liked watching Bruce Lee films and wished I could do flying kicks like he could, but that is about where it ended for me, I do not remember thinking any man was my role model and thinking “yer I want to be just like him”.
Does anyone else? What did it mean to you as a young man? Or is this role model thing just a load of bullshit?
I have a brain and can decide things for myself, likewise other men can think for themselves as well. Including young men and boys.
Some men are cunts though, they will be cunts if Andrew Tate never existed and there were plenty of cunts before he was born too.
I might come across as a bit out of touch but I genuinely want to ask – why are role models even necessary?
The issue is that anyone who is held up as a good roll model needs to be 100% perfect. If they have done anything slightly wrong in the past then it will be used as a stick to beat them with and given as a reason why they shouldn’t be listened to.
Algorithms push extreme content because it’s click bait and controversy sells newspapers. Influencer grifters love to be edgey because it drives engagement.
Your going to hear more about the negatives in the world because that makes more money than the positives.