Note that **none of these lawmakers in the UK Hose of Lords are elected**.
fahimching on
If this amendment passes, every smartphone in the UK becomes a state-mandated monitoring device. The clause for ‘tamper-proof system software’ to prevent child abuse material would require continuous on-device scanning of photos and videos. It’s client-side scanning, a massive breach of privacy dressed up as child protection.
martian_maneater on
UK citizens: one silver lining of brexit is we won’t be forced into chat control
UK politicians: we can do worse
BearsAreCrying on
Suddenly the market for second hand laptops pre 2026 shoots up
Underwater_Karma on
Orwell’s 1984 was a warning, not a policy guide.
Slow_Balance270 on
Holy moses, thought police much?
russian_cyborg on
I always thought 1984 was about the Soviet Union. Then when I read it I realized it took place in the UK. I found that odd
Now I get it.
DryDown27 on
The UK normalized CCTV and public surveillance a decade or so ago. “If you aren’t doing anything wrong…” etc. it’s just a slow march with predictable steps. US is next since the “don’t tread on me” folks are all frothed up and distracted to see what they elected and are permitting.
osoBailando on
just in time for “sons and daughters to get ready for war”. nothing to see, it is ALL FOR YOUR SAFETY.
🤦♂️
Universal_Anomaly on
The fact that all these countries all at once are pushing so hard for surveillance just makes me wonder which exact companies/individuals are trying to get rich off of this.
eXVraW5ha2FtdXJh on
very insane. privacy under real threat from many countries. not many discussion in main stream media. this must be for front page of news but sadly not
-password-invalid- on
Time to dig out my 3210. It probably still has a charge too.
FireMammoth on
I consider UK my home, I lived here most of my life since I moved here as a child. This shit will absolutely make me go back to Poland, at least there I have a strong feeling non of this surveillance will be accepted
tupe12 on
They skipped past the (questionable) justifications and right to the “we wanna know everything that you do”
Mental-Reference-719 on
Look at me – I’m China now
pspr33 on
Back to my Nokia 3310 and DSLR/Mirrorless then. Suits me.
K-Motorbike-12 on
I will riot if this passes.
FAFoxxy on
Ctos is almost getting real. This is just plain bad
TwiztedZero on
Mandatory on device. NO.
I will fight you.
Simple as that.
I live in a democracy.
Fordmister on
Just to give everyone a little bit of context. The government itself has said repeatedly it has no plans to regulate or ban VPN’s (presumably because they know it’ll be an absolute shit show) this is an amendment to a bill proposed by the unelected second house that the government is under no obligation to implement and almost certainly won’t pass anyway
springoniondip on
Apple would never let it happen, to much money at stake. Apple lobbies US, US threaten trades and boom it’s a nothing burger
punishingwind on
This couldn’t possibly pass. It would be the most comprehensive state sponsored surveillance of its citizens ever seen by any nation. Nobody would vote this into power no matter what “think of the children” garbage they wrapped this in.
latflickr on
I knew this would come. Natural progression from the child protection act that was obviously just an excuse to gain control.
bosebosebosebosebos on
Is there a reason why the UK specifically seems to be so anti-privacy?
CyroSwitchBlade on
Doubleplusgood!!
PipelineShrimp on
Paving the way for fascism I see.
MarkG1 on
Guess it’s time to become a luddite, what a crazy time to be alive.
iamezekiel1_14 on
Surely this is going to create a reversal of the type of phones used to bricks/3310s?
shadowds on
Gov: We want to know everything you do in your privacy.
The People: We want to know everything you guys be doing with our info, and privacy, as well what ever else you guys are doing.
Gov: LMAO no, now hand us your data!
alxmolin on
I don’t get it. Why is the UK always on the barricades when it comes to suggesting mass surveillance?
dawnraid101 on
First of all get fucked. Second of all why cant I trivially bypass this by booting into linux or something… Also good luck banning vpns unless you ban all encrypted traffic on the wire… which i dont think is feasible to maintain a functional economy if you go down this route. I think the HoL are terribly misguided here
throwthatbitchaccoun on
Welcome to the Great (Hadrian‘s) fire-wall of “Great” Britain!
BlackEagleActual on
Shit even in heavily-monitor chinese society, no mandatory monitoring apps are installed.
I mean yep the cops here could access your info, but usually they still need to go through a process of talking with phone & data storage company. But compulsory monitor app installation in every phone is crazy even here.
RickFuqit on
1984
ShakeZula_MicRulah on
Wouldn’t it be easier to just ban smart phones for children? But then you realize it was never about protecting the children, it’s about surveillance and control.
Wishing-Winter on
abolish the house of lords
Mr-Lungu on
The minute someone says it’s to protect the children, you know they are lying
subcide on
Idea: Let’s run a 5 year pilot with the members of the house of lords and their families, and make the data sets available for public scrutiny.
Shinjischneider on
Remember when people voted for labour because they were sick with all the shit the tories pulled?
Gotta love how labour for some fucked up reason saw that and went “we got elected, so people want us to be exactly like the tories'”
(Not blaming labour alone, but I think it’s funny in a very very very depressing way.)
27yrsnfat on
UK trying its hardest through vailed excuses to become North Korea
PotOPrawns on
Time to dig up and dust off the old Guy Fawkes manual and unlock the Torches and Pitchfork barn.
The cretins in power have been milking us like dairy cows for years but there is a limitation the publics patience, and it wont be pretty when it does run out.
Over here in England we often say ‘the French do it right’ in reference to them not putting up with government BS and actively making their voices heard via things like dumping mass amounts of cattle manure at the gates to their parliament etc.
rob3rtisgod on
Orwell predicting the future.
If this gets passed, id leave the country. “Protecting the kids” dressed up as literally monitoring for anything they can use to lock up or fine you without trial or reason.
Imagine that’s the UK turning into a bigger police state the communist countries.
UltimaTime on
In my feed i had one of those people during a ”lord” debate in UK saying that if people are so cautious about their own privacy they could just not use internet.
So basically they took the dead internet theory, stripped it to any kind of common sense, because it is a theory that predict that the lack of privacy will just force people to drop the internet in a near future, and use that argument against itself? So basically they want people out of modern tech for what reasons exactly?
This remind me when local writing or journalism much later in history started to be a popular thing and some ”decision makers” wanted to stop that at all cost. And this is the kind of people that are supposed to be taking decision for entire countries, and write rules? *slap front head*
It’s like those kind of people love to be able to track their population but also hate for them to be able to ward against it, they are like juggling with raw eggs and look like clowns that never care to train juggling. I guess this is modern conservatism that some how are hard on their little ”ideals” but cannot even maintain a somewhat logical train of thoughts about it; because in the end they just want it all.
SuddenBumHair on
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” if i had a penny….
IToldYouMyName on
Disgusting to say the least.
MrHedgehogMan on
I’ve got a couple of old Nokias in a drawer and they still work. Your move government.
nopeitsadog on
Who would’ve thought that LABOUR! who call their opponents FASCIST would be the FASCISTS? ironic huh
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Note that **none of these lawmakers in the UK Hose of Lords are elected**.
If this amendment passes, every smartphone in the UK becomes a state-mandated monitoring device. The clause for ‘tamper-proof system software’ to prevent child abuse material would require continuous on-device scanning of photos and videos. It’s client-side scanning, a massive breach of privacy dressed up as child protection.
UK citizens: one silver lining of brexit is we won’t be forced into chat control
UK politicians: we can do worse
Suddenly the market for second hand laptops pre 2026 shoots up
Orwell’s 1984 was a warning, not a policy guide.
Holy moses, thought police much?
I always thought 1984 was about the Soviet Union. Then when I read it I realized it took place in the UK. I found that odd
Now I get it.
The UK normalized CCTV and public surveillance a decade or so ago. “If you aren’t doing anything wrong…” etc. it’s just a slow march with predictable steps. US is next since the “don’t tread on me” folks are all frothed up and distracted to see what they elected and are permitting.
just in time for “sons and daughters to get ready for war”. nothing to see, it is ALL FOR YOUR SAFETY.
🤦♂️
The fact that all these countries all at once are pushing so hard for surveillance just makes me wonder which exact companies/individuals are trying to get rich off of this.
very insane. privacy under real threat from many countries. not many discussion in main stream media. this must be for front page of news but sadly not
Time to dig out my 3210. It probably still has a charge too.
I consider UK my home, I lived here most of my life since I moved here as a child. This shit will absolutely make me go back to Poland, at least there I have a strong feeling non of this surveillance will be accepted
They skipped past the (questionable) justifications and right to the “we wanna know everything that you do”
Look at me – I’m China now
Back to my Nokia 3310 and DSLR/Mirrorless then. Suits me.
I will riot if this passes.
Ctos is almost getting real. This is just plain bad
Mandatory on device. NO.
I will fight you.
Simple as that.
I live in a democracy.
Just to give everyone a little bit of context. The government itself has said repeatedly it has no plans to regulate or ban VPN’s (presumably because they know it’ll be an absolute shit show) this is an amendment to a bill proposed by the unelected second house that the government is under no obligation to implement and almost certainly won’t pass anyway
Apple would never let it happen, to much money at stake. Apple lobbies US, US threaten trades and boom it’s a nothing burger
This couldn’t possibly pass. It would be the most comprehensive state sponsored surveillance of its citizens ever seen by any nation. Nobody would vote this into power no matter what “think of the children” garbage they wrapped this in.
I knew this would come. Natural progression from the child protection act that was obviously just an excuse to gain control.
Is there a reason why the UK specifically seems to be so anti-privacy?
Doubleplusgood!!
Paving the way for fascism I see.
Guess it’s time to become a luddite, what a crazy time to be alive.
Surely this is going to create a reversal of the type of phones used to bricks/3310s?
Gov: We want to know everything you do in your privacy.
The People: We want to know everything you guys be doing with our info, and privacy, as well what ever else you guys are doing.
Gov: LMAO no, now hand us your data!
I don’t get it. Why is the UK always on the barricades when it comes to suggesting mass surveillance?
First of all get fucked. Second of all why cant I trivially bypass this by booting into linux or something… Also good luck banning vpns unless you ban all encrypted traffic on the wire… which i dont think is feasible to maintain a functional economy if you go down this route. I think the HoL are terribly misguided here
Welcome to the Great (Hadrian‘s) fire-wall of “Great” Britain!
Shit even in heavily-monitor chinese society, no mandatory monitoring apps are installed.
I mean yep the cops here could access your info, but usually they still need to go through a process of talking with phone & data storage company. But compulsory monitor app installation in every phone is crazy even here.
1984
Wouldn’t it be easier to just ban smart phones for children? But then you realize it was never about protecting the children, it’s about surveillance and control.
abolish the house of lords
The minute someone says it’s to protect the children, you know they are lying
Idea: Let’s run a 5 year pilot with the members of the house of lords and their families, and make the data sets available for public scrutiny.
Remember when people voted for labour because they were sick with all the shit the tories pulled?
Gotta love how labour for some fucked up reason saw that and went “we got elected, so people want us to be exactly like the tories'”
(Not blaming labour alone, but I think it’s funny in a very very very depressing way.)
UK trying its hardest through vailed excuses to become North Korea
Time to dig up and dust off the old Guy Fawkes manual and unlock the Torches and Pitchfork barn.
The cretins in power have been milking us like dairy cows for years but there is a limitation the publics patience, and it wont be pretty when it does run out.
Over here in England we often say ‘the French do it right’ in reference to them not putting up with government BS and actively making their voices heard via things like dumping mass amounts of cattle manure at the gates to their parliament etc.
Orwell predicting the future.
If this gets passed, id leave the country. “Protecting the kids” dressed up as literally monitoring for anything they can use to lock up or fine you without trial or reason.
Imagine that’s the UK turning into a bigger police state the communist countries.
In my feed i had one of those people during a ”lord” debate in UK saying that if people are so cautious about their own privacy they could just not use internet.
So basically they took the dead internet theory, stripped it to any kind of common sense, because it is a theory that predict that the lack of privacy will just force people to drop the internet in a near future, and use that argument against itself? So basically they want people out of modern tech for what reasons exactly?
This remind me when local writing or journalism much later in history started to be a popular thing and some ”decision makers” wanted to stop that at all cost. And this is the kind of people that are supposed to be taking decision for entire countries, and write rules? *slap front head*
It’s like those kind of people love to be able to track their population but also hate for them to be able to ward against it, they are like juggling with raw eggs and look like clowns that never care to train juggling. I guess this is modern conservatism that some how are hard on their little ”ideals” but cannot even maintain a somewhat logical train of thoughts about it; because in the end they just want it all.
“Slippery slope is a logical fallacy” if i had a penny….
Disgusting to say the least.
I’ve got a couple of old Nokias in a drawer and they still work. Your move government.
Who would’ve thought that LABOUR! who call their opponents FASCIST would be the FASCISTS? ironic huh
Just since it isn’t immediately apparent in the article (skimmed it mostly), [the proposal is in this document](https://bills.parliament.uk/publications/63901/documents/7465) on page 20.
I’ll be emailing my MP today about it since this is just an incredibly stupid proposal on many fronts.
They are just going to drive people onto the dark web
A truly insane and dystopian idea.