These same people were lauded as key workers just a few years ago when there was a pandemic. People providing your food are of greater benefit to society than billionaires.
klepto_entropoid on
As the dust settles on the New Normal post-pandemic it has become very apparent that wages in this country are simply untenable at the low to mid level of almost any profession.
This is particularly confusing to many of us, as one of the things that became very apparent during the pandemic was how insanely important the people are who stock the shelves in supermarkets or who drive HGVs or who collect the waste or who ..
Blue_View_1217 on
>Most of those surveyed said they were eating cheaper alternatives.
So it’s a misleading headline then. They’re not struggling to afford food.
Fuzzy-Loss-4204 on
I worked in catering for 35 years, it has never been a well paid job, especially considering what the job entails. But minimum wage has done so much damage to what people can actually earn, The thing with catering was you could earn by working, it is hourly pay and if you wanted to earn you could earn, but you put the hours in, now you cannot put the hours in, basic wage killed it, and made harder to earn in a low paying job. Add to that, basic wage also pushes up the cost of living, and they being done up all ends, loosing the capacity to earn while at the same time raising the cost of everything.
To who ever made the comment just saying absolute bollocks, i cannot find it to reply, so i will reply here
That is 35 years lived experience mate, i have seen it with my own eyes, felt it with my own wage packet, people who work in catering were far better off before minimum wage, Yes you had to work long and hard to be better off, but we could afford our groceries and still have cash on the hip, now we cant afford our groceries, did you not read the article
Mental-Reference-719 on
Hot take:
And yet, you’ll always pick them out on a cheeky TUI or 2, via their Instagram stories, throughout the year… đź‘€
Razgriz_101 on
A lot of factories up and down the country are using more and more immigrant labour which has been pushing wages and conditions down, as someone who works in QA for a massive food manufacturing company and at other factories and actively seeking a new job elsewhere we’ve seen sites bus more and more immigrant labour on lower wages from further afield and refusing to negotiate with the unions then wonder why there’s a drain of more experienced workers on the shop floor and quality is diving between cutting corners in ingredient specs, package sizes etc.
This is just another symptom of a wider problem in the UK that the owners of these companies just want to ensure that line goes up at any cost, I know there’s people on the factory floor who have been sick because viruses literally go through these places like a wild fire and forced off work due to regulatory requirements of food handling then actively have to go to food banks as they’ll get basic SSP and that’s it while the company makes record profits.
There are so many things wrong in the food industry and the reliance on finding the cheapest labour and method possible is causing massive problems in the sector and only seems to be getting worse.
growthfocusedinvesto on
The UK has the second highest minimum wage in the world. The issue isn’t the wage but cost of living. We rank either first or second in the world for water, sanitation, public transport, electricity transmission, electricity, childcare and construction for infrastructure.
Add in a highly inefficient public sector, high taxes and expensive housing.
ironmaway on
It’s wild how we went from calling them heroes to letting them struggle to pay bills. The pandemic really laid bare which jobs are actually essential for society to function. It’s a national embarrassment that the people who literally feed us can’t afford the basics. We need a fundamental shift in how we value this kind of work.
Ok-Witness4724 on
Queue country wide “engagement sessions” on managing your money and how to budget 🙄
Astriania on
I don’t think this is actually a ‘pay is too low’ issue, I think it’s a ‘housing is too expensive’ issue. Even minimum wage is actually a pretty high wage, if you compare it to other European countries. The problem is that demand for housing is so insanely high that its price has got ridiculous.
Immigration is bad for both of those things of course – it’s provided a source of cheap labour for decades which has suppressed wages, at least anything that wasn’t at or close to minimum wage already. Your position in the labour market is largely based on how easy you are to replace, and when there’s a constant supply of new people arriving who will do the work for less, the answer is very easy. And even more obviously, they add demand for housing, which is extremely inelastic in terms of supply.
We need to stop inviting so many people into the country every year, and then we can ease the pressure on housing and we should also see labour rates rise in sectors like this where the pay is not good enough for it to be worth taking the job as an established resident.
Desperate_Caramel_10 on
Most of their income goes on housing. Make housing less expensive and wages don’t need to be as high.
phangtom on
Queue the people blaming immigrants for the issues poor people face. Rather than the top 1% that have continued to horde all the wealth.
“Don’t blame the slave owners for exploiting slaves. Get angry at the slaves for being exploited!”
Talkertive- on
But but it’s a small sacrifice they can make to make sure the business survives…
WinHour4300 on
The problem isn’t pay it’s the extortionate cost for housing from shortages.Â
Minimum wage is fairly high in the UK compared to elsewhere.Â
Jujitsumangradmuslim on
Unfortunately, true. I know people who work there and they need money from either their parents or the government.
KoBoWC on
They’re in common company, most Americans are not paid enough. The dream’s been dead for decades, it’s only just coming to light.
detectivebabylegz on
I’m a manager in retail and we only offer 20 hours contracts, maximum the company offer outside of the warehouse is 28 hours. The hourly wage isn’t the issues, it’s only working 20 hours and have having to be fully flexible, so it’s hard to manage your life around 2 jobs when you don’t have set hours.
Quirky_Trick_5015 on
The food industry is also swarmed with foreign labour. Foreign workers decreases the demand, therefore lowers the wages.
Its the same with all factory work, not just the food industry.
wkavinsky on
Clearly what needs to happen is a government subsidy to allow them to buy food (food stamps for Walmart workers in the US) rather than the supermarkets ensuring their own staff can afford to shop there.
Fucking Henry Ford had this figured out, and he was a super capitalist or super capitalists – but his staff were paid enough to be able to afford the product they were making.
Average_sheep1411 on
Does it mean the people harvesting the food? My understanding it was never a great salary to begin with which is why it attracted migrants, students and those that needed part time hours.
philelope on
wait, wait, wait. How is this even possible? They **work** in the food industry ffs.
Back in the day anyone that worked in a given industry had high availability of the products of that industry, given they worked in it and got serious discounts or gifts of the stock they worked with.
Is that now dead? Has the enshittification of our food industries by private equity got to the point where they fail to even look after their own workers?
Xercen on
Bloody disgusting.
I wonder if the business owners cannot afford the basics either.
I highly doubt it.
If they can afford to pay their workers a living wage similar to the London living wage (not perfect i know), they should do so.
If they can’t then they deserve to go to the wall (bankruptcy). You can’t have capitalism where companies are rich via abuse slave labour and paying peanuts.
If they can’t afford it then go bankrupt. Good riddance.
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These same people were lauded as key workers just a few years ago when there was a pandemic. People providing your food are of greater benefit to society than billionaires.
As the dust settles on the New Normal post-pandemic it has become very apparent that wages in this country are simply untenable at the low to mid level of almost any profession.
This is particularly confusing to many of us, as one of the things that became very apparent during the pandemic was how insanely important the people are who stock the shelves in supermarkets or who drive HGVs or who collect the waste or who ..
>Most of those surveyed said they were eating cheaper alternatives.
So it’s a misleading headline then. They’re not struggling to afford food.
I worked in catering for 35 years, it has never been a well paid job, especially considering what the job entails. But minimum wage has done so much damage to what people can actually earn, The thing with catering was you could earn by working, it is hourly pay and if you wanted to earn you could earn, but you put the hours in, now you cannot put the hours in, basic wage killed it, and made harder to earn in a low paying job. Add to that, basic wage also pushes up the cost of living, and they being done up all ends, loosing the capacity to earn while at the same time raising the cost of everything.
To who ever made the comment just saying absolute bollocks, i cannot find it to reply, so i will reply here
That is 35 years lived experience mate, i have seen it with my own eyes, felt it with my own wage packet, people who work in catering were far better off before minimum wage, Yes you had to work long and hard to be better off, but we could afford our groceries and still have cash on the hip, now we cant afford our groceries, did you not read the article
Hot take:
And yet, you’ll always pick them out on a cheeky TUI or 2, via their Instagram stories, throughout the year… đź‘€
A lot of factories up and down the country are using more and more immigrant labour which has been pushing wages and conditions down, as someone who works in QA for a massive food manufacturing company and at other factories and actively seeking a new job elsewhere we’ve seen sites bus more and more immigrant labour on lower wages from further afield and refusing to negotiate with the unions then wonder why there’s a drain of more experienced workers on the shop floor and quality is diving between cutting corners in ingredient specs, package sizes etc.
This is just another symptom of a wider problem in the UK that the owners of these companies just want to ensure that line goes up at any cost, I know there’s people on the factory floor who have been sick because viruses literally go through these places like a wild fire and forced off work due to regulatory requirements of food handling then actively have to go to food banks as they’ll get basic SSP and that’s it while the company makes record profits.
There are so many things wrong in the food industry and the reliance on finding the cheapest labour and method possible is causing massive problems in the sector and only seems to be getting worse.
The UK has the second highest minimum wage in the world. The issue isn’t the wage but cost of living. We rank either first or second in the world for water, sanitation, public transport, electricity transmission, electricity, childcare and construction for infrastructure.
Add in a highly inefficient public sector, high taxes and expensive housing.
It’s wild how we went from calling them heroes to letting them struggle to pay bills. The pandemic really laid bare which jobs are actually essential for society to function. It’s a national embarrassment that the people who literally feed us can’t afford the basics. We need a fundamental shift in how we value this kind of work.
Queue country wide “engagement sessions” on managing your money and how to budget 🙄
I don’t think this is actually a ‘pay is too low’ issue, I think it’s a ‘housing is too expensive’ issue. Even minimum wage is actually a pretty high wage, if you compare it to other European countries. The problem is that demand for housing is so insanely high that its price has got ridiculous.
Immigration is bad for both of those things of course – it’s provided a source of cheap labour for decades which has suppressed wages, at least anything that wasn’t at or close to minimum wage already. Your position in the labour market is largely based on how easy you are to replace, and when there’s a constant supply of new people arriving who will do the work for less, the answer is very easy. And even more obviously, they add demand for housing, which is extremely inelastic in terms of supply.
We need to stop inviting so many people into the country every year, and then we can ease the pressure on housing and we should also see labour rates rise in sectors like this where the pay is not good enough for it to be worth taking the job as an established resident.
Most of their income goes on housing. Make housing less expensive and wages don’t need to be as high.
Queue the people blaming immigrants for the issues poor people face. Rather than the top 1% that have continued to horde all the wealth.
“Don’t blame the slave owners for exploiting slaves. Get angry at the slaves for being exploited!”
But but it’s a small sacrifice they can make to make sure the business survives…
The problem isn’t pay it’s the extortionate cost for housing from shortages.Â
Minimum wage is fairly high in the UK compared to elsewhere.Â
Unfortunately, true. I know people who work there and they need money from either their parents or the government.
They’re in common company, most Americans are not paid enough. The dream’s been dead for decades, it’s only just coming to light.
I’m a manager in retail and we only offer 20 hours contracts, maximum the company offer outside of the warehouse is 28 hours. The hourly wage isn’t the issues, it’s only working 20 hours and have having to be fully flexible, so it’s hard to manage your life around 2 jobs when you don’t have set hours.
The food industry is also swarmed with foreign labour. Foreign workers decreases the demand, therefore lowers the wages.
Its the same with all factory work, not just the food industry.
Clearly what needs to happen is a government subsidy to allow them to buy food (food stamps for Walmart workers in the US) rather than the supermarkets ensuring their own staff can afford to shop there.
Fucking Henry Ford had this figured out, and he was a super capitalist or super capitalists – but his staff were paid enough to be able to afford the product they were making.
Does it mean the people harvesting the food? My understanding it was never a great salary to begin with which is why it attracted migrants, students and those that needed part time hours.
wait, wait, wait. How is this even possible? They **work** in the food industry ffs.
Back in the day anyone that worked in a given industry had high availability of the products of that industry, given they worked in it and got serious discounts or gifts of the stock they worked with.
Is that now dead? Has the enshittification of our food industries by private equity got to the point where they fail to even look after their own workers?
Bloody disgusting.
I wonder if the business owners cannot afford the basics either.
I highly doubt it.
If they can afford to pay their workers a living wage similar to the London living wage (not perfect i know), they should do so.
If they can’t then they deserve to go to the wall (bankruptcy). You can’t have capitalism where companies are rich via abuse slave labour and paying peanuts.
If they can’t afford it then go bankrupt. Good riddance.