I’m scared of what’s going to be written in the comments.
AvocadoBreakfast on
it is facts
MrDeoBook on
Biased data. Switzerland makes it painfully difficult to get nationality. You can be born there but not have the nationality if your parents arent swiss.
Uktabi-Bananas on
So if the locals in a country don’t have enough babies to keep the population from decreasing and immigration keeps rising each year, isn’t it going to be likely that the native population in that country will be gone eventually?
Why do people refuse to talk about this or call it a conspiracy when it’s basic math?
You guys love to say correlation and causatiom are not the same when it comes to statistics… then you post something like that… far left and far right do think alike !
GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B on
Comment section: Switzerland is being flooded with foreigners vs Switzerland is a conservative backwater with too strict an immigration process vs you’re a fucking rich expat your opinion is invalid.
It’s the Reddit way.
dallyan on
Can’t you be born here and still considered a migrant?
MightBeEllie on
Switzerland has an unemployment rate of 2.9%
Now look at that number up in the graphic and imagine what Switzerland would look like if those people weren’t here.
About how many jobs would be unfilled.
How long you’d have to wait for a doctor’s appointment.
How many nurses the hospitals would be missing.
Think about all the jobs swiss people don’t want to do, but that still need to be done.
The swiss economy would collapse without immigrants.
At the same time, 2.17% of the swiss population has a migratory background and receives social security payment, most of them are refugees (and most of them work, just don’t earn enough). That’s a tiny amount of people who put a burden on the state and that’s temporary.
That doesn’t mean that we don’t have issues that result from immigration, especially with living space. But those are issues we can solve without resulting to racism.
ItsMagic777 on
Switzerland does have an immigration problem. I know a lot of leftist dont wanna hear it, but its true. Immigration isnt bad if its moderate and you actualy get to immigrate the People well into your system.
But for such a small country to have such a massive wave of immigration to deal with is very difficult. Or as I would say near impossible.
Then you wonder why housing prices are up massivly year by year. Lot of Jobs are underpaying and it becomes in itself harder to find a “good” Job.
Im up to help People and im okey with taking in People who need the help, but the burden cant be on switzerland alone, while the EU shoves there problems our way. Poland and a lot of easter EU barly have any immigration and just because we show an helping Hand doesnt mean we get to hold all the burden.
Obviously the migration problem is a lot more complicated then it seems, but a country should always act in its first interest.
manzanita06 on
Switzerland’s immigration numbers look way higher than other countries partly because a ton of long-term EU residents just never bother becoming citizens. People who’ve been there for decades still get counted as “immigrants” in the stats, even though they’re completely part of Swiss life.
Why don’t they naturalize? Honestly, getting Swiss citizenship is a pain. it’s expensive and there’s a bunch of bureaucracy involved. And if you’re already an EU citizen, there’s not much point. You can already work and live there no problem. For guys, there’s also the whole mandatory military service thing, which is obviously not appealing.
So basically, the statistic is more about who has a passport than who actually just moved there recently.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
ZekeDiZurigo on
The share in Switzerland is bigger because it’s more difficult, takes more time, to get the passport. One thing to be considered.
False_Length_3765 on
Well, I see many companies hiring cheap labour and then calling it ‘diversity’. Human Resources fails to realise this isn’t a good strategy due to a lack of communication channels, practical local skills and logical structured thinking.
I want the pre 2008 Switzerland back and many swiss friends think the same.
And we should normalize talking about that in what kind of Switzerland we would like to live in. I would be glad to earn 20% less when the housing market / infrastructure would be used 30% less. I don’t want to live in a germany-like country.
CTMunger1924 on
If that’s a problem them increase Naturalization duration and tighten vetting.
Next_Palpitation8401 on
Not all immigration is the same
Skilled people from similar cultures >>> unskilled people who are a net drain and cause social discord
In Spain we get a bunch of educated Latin Americans and they do put an upward pressure on housing costs and bring their families, but at least they integrate. What we don’t want is more morrocans, senegalese, pakistanis who barely speak Spanish, have backwards views and sell úseles knickknacks at the Plaza Mayor or take in way more in social services than they put in.
Pure_Conversation_34 on
Most are engineers and doctors don’t worry
common_crow on
We gotta bring those numbers down.
KelGhu on
This is misleading. Many multiple-generation families who have the EU passport and never bothered to get the citizenship nor did the country made it easy for them to become Swiss. A lot were born in CH and have been C permit inhabitants their whole life. But they are culturally Swiss.
Any-Jellyfish6272 on
The Swiss people will disappear. This is just immigrants without the passport. The typical Swiss person will die out very soon. This is a fact, not an opinion.
Ill_Nobody_2726 on
But there isn’t mass migration in Switzerland allegedly
Karsa_1312 on
As far as I know it’s not refugees who made all rents explode in the last 15 years and made it impossible to find a affordable flat in Geneva and around …
Refugees Welcome Expats Go Home
PizzaPoweredLife on
This is an issue that, unfortunately, is currently addressed almost exclusively by the political right. Immigration policy should focus on admitting highly qualified individuals who are willing to integrate culturally, respect our values, and make a genuine effort to learn the language.
I know many immigrants who speak little or no German and live on IV.
Ri4Fu on
It’s really hard to have the forever growth that capitalism demands (to stay a wealthy country) with a native population that breeds under replacement rate and gets older on average. Politicians know that even if they signal otherwise. Thats why we need migration and why it wont get stoped.
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Perfect way to ruin my Sunday morning, thanks.
I’m scared of what’s going to be written in the comments.
it is facts
Biased data. Switzerland makes it painfully difficult to get nationality. You can be born there but not have the nationality if your parents arent swiss.
So if the locals in a country don’t have enough babies to keep the population from decreasing and immigration keeps rising each year, isn’t it going to be likely that the native population in that country will be gone eventually?
Why do people refuse to talk about this or call it a conspiracy when it’s basic math?
Source btw: https://www.voronoiapp.com/other/Ranked-Countries-Seeing-the-Fastest-Growth-in-Migrant-Populations-7222
You guys love to say correlation and causatiom are not the same when it comes to statistics… then you post something like that… far left and far right do think alike !
Comment section: Switzerland is being flooded with foreigners vs Switzerland is a conservative backwater with too strict an immigration process vs you’re a fucking rich expat your opinion is invalid.
It’s the Reddit way.
Can’t you be born here and still considered a migrant?
Switzerland has an unemployment rate of 2.9%
Now look at that number up in the graphic and imagine what Switzerland would look like if those people weren’t here.
About how many jobs would be unfilled.
How long you’d have to wait for a doctor’s appointment.
How many nurses the hospitals would be missing.
Think about all the jobs swiss people don’t want to do, but that still need to be done.
The swiss economy would collapse without immigrants.
At the same time, 2.17% of the swiss population has a migratory background and receives social security payment, most of them are refugees (and most of them work, just don’t earn enough). That’s a tiny amount of people who put a burden on the state and that’s temporary.
That doesn’t mean that we don’t have issues that result from immigration, especially with living space. But those are issues we can solve without resulting to racism.
Switzerland does have an immigration problem. I know a lot of leftist dont wanna hear it, but its true. Immigration isnt bad if its moderate and you actualy get to immigrate the People well into your system.
But for such a small country to have such a massive wave of immigration to deal with is very difficult. Or as I would say near impossible.
Then you wonder why housing prices are up massivly year by year. Lot of Jobs are underpaying and it becomes in itself harder to find a “good” Job.
Im up to help People and im okey with taking in People who need the help, but the burden cant be on switzerland alone, while the EU shoves there problems our way. Poland and a lot of easter EU barly have any immigration and just because we show an helping Hand doesnt mean we get to hold all the burden.
Obviously the migration problem is a lot more complicated then it seems, but a country should always act in its first interest.
Switzerland’s immigration numbers look way higher than other countries partly because a ton of long-term EU residents just never bother becoming citizens. People who’ve been there for decades still get counted as “immigrants” in the stats, even though they’re completely part of Swiss life.
Why don’t they naturalize? Honestly, getting Swiss citizenship is a pain. it’s expensive and there’s a bunch of bureaucracy involved. And if you’re already an EU citizen, there’s not much point. You can already work and live there no problem. For guys, there’s also the whole mandatory military service thing, which is obviously not appealing.
So basically, the statistic is more about who has a passport than who actually just moved there recently.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​
The share in Switzerland is bigger because it’s more difficult, takes more time, to get the passport. One thing to be considered.
Well, I see many companies hiring cheap labour and then calling it ‘diversity’. Human Resources fails to realise this isn’t a good strategy due to a lack of communication channels, practical local skills and logical structured thinking.
I want the pre 2008 Switzerland back and many swiss friends think the same.
And we should normalize talking about that in what kind of Switzerland we would like to live in. I would be glad to earn 20% less when the housing market / infrastructure would be used 30% less. I don’t want to live in a germany-like country.
If that’s a problem them increase Naturalization duration and tighten vetting.
Not all immigration is the same
Skilled people from similar cultures >>> unskilled people who are a net drain and cause social discord
In Spain we get a bunch of educated Latin Americans and they do put an upward pressure on housing costs and bring their families, but at least they integrate. What we don’t want is more morrocans, senegalese, pakistanis who barely speak Spanish, have backwards views and sell úseles knickknacks at the Plaza Mayor or take in way more in social services than they put in.
Most are engineers and doctors don’t worry
We gotta bring those numbers down.
This is misleading. Many multiple-generation families who have the EU passport and never bothered to get the citizenship nor did the country made it easy for them to become Swiss. A lot were born in CH and have been C permit inhabitants their whole life. But they are culturally Swiss.
The Swiss people will disappear. This is just immigrants without the passport. The typical Swiss person will die out very soon. This is a fact, not an opinion.
But there isn’t mass migration in Switzerland allegedly
As far as I know it’s not refugees who made all rents explode in the last 15 years and made it impossible to find a affordable flat in Geneva and around …
Refugees Welcome Expats Go Home
This is an issue that, unfortunately, is currently addressed almost exclusively by the political right. Immigration policy should focus on admitting highly qualified individuals who are willing to integrate culturally, respect our values, and make a genuine effort to learn the language.
I know many immigrants who speak little or no German and live on IV.
It’s really hard to have the forever growth that capitalism demands (to stay a wealthy country) with a native population that breeds under replacement rate and gets older on average. Politicians know that even if they signal otherwise. Thats why we need migration and why it wont get stoped.