They weren’t fucking about with their Warning letters.
killmetruck on
To save you from the ragebait: the inspection was before the fire. She admitted she watched Eastenders without a license.
I’ll act as your mom and remind you the best way is to never talk to strangers.
peachy1990x on
Makes you more angry as you read it..
Didnt have a TV Licence because husband usually paid it, when realised, setup direct debit and paid for it.
House burns down, cancels direct debit since.. House is burned down…
Convicted because she watched eastenders before house burned down..
Shows proof that when she realised he wasnt paying she immediately setup the direct payments, she accepted and apologized that during the ONE day she watched eastenders there was no licence in place,
And the BBC wonders why they have became a joke lmao..
RoughVirtual1626 on
Why are we forced to pay for state propaganda. I literally have not watched BBC in a decade and still need a license because I have sky sports. The BBC needs to go. Because let’s face it, it seems to be the vulnerable who let these people in to their homes.
DukePPUk on
More campaign journalism from the Standard here (they really hate the SJP).
Anyway… so she skipped paying for the licence. She then admitted she had broken the law to an inspector. They agreed not to prosecute her if she kept paying. She stopped the payment plan (when the house burned down and TVLA told her she didn’t have to pay any more). They prosecuted her (for the original offence).
> In her letter to the court, the woman accepted there was no licence in place on June 3, and says she “fully cooperated, confirmed that a TV was present, and took immediate steps to resolve the matter and set up a direct debit”.
So… she pleaded guilty.
What was the court supposed to do; refuse her guilty plea? All the rest is mitigation; but mitigation goes to sentencing, not to guilt. You admit guilt, that’s that.
> Magistrate Simon Tyler Murphy, sitting in Brighton, handed the woman a three-month conditional discharge, and ordered that she pays the £120 cost of the prosecution, as well as a £26 “victim surcharge”.
That’s about as low a punishment as she could get.
Should the TVLA have brought the prosecution? Probably not – they told her to cancel her direct debit payments, she did so, and then they prosecuted her for doing it.
But she pleaded guilty.
I don’t know what the solution here is. Obviously the TVLA screwed up. Obviously we can talk about whether TV licensing should be a thing any more, whether it should be a crime, whether it should be covered by direct taxes or whatever.
But maybe the big problem here is the woman not understanding that she was admitting a crime to the inspector, and then not realising she was pleading guilty to a crime when writing to the court. Maybe there is an issue here with how poorly the general public understands our legal system.
That said, I note the article is entirely third person; the Standard doesn’t seem to have got any quotes or contact from the woman. There doesn’t seem to be anything in the article other than information from the court records. Is the Standard just trawling SJP cases to find ones they can write outrage-bait articles about?
ameliasophia on
According to government statistics, tv licence evasion made up 12% of all prosecutions against women in 2023, 18% in 2021 and 30% in 2017.
YoshiMK on
Sadly shows being honest usually fucks you over when it comes to unscrupulous/predatory businesses.
Could have just said they stopped watching it and they can’t prove shit (unless using online services where there is an element of tracking that can be done with email addresses used for accounts etc which can be linked to a TV license or lack of)
hepworthy on
Absurd. Fresh reminder to never give those scum a penny.
Beginning-Seat5221 on
She was prosecuted for watching TV unknowingly without a licence.
Normally crimes require the person to be aware that they are doing the prohibited thing.
This offence is strict liability, not requiring awareness. These laws are nearly always unfair.
Bolvaettur on
This still won’t coerce me into getting a TV license.
Nidhoggr54 on
This reminds me of usi when we all received letters telling us how we could register to say that as uni students we didn’t need a license and be good. I laughed and said register to not be registered haha nah and binned the letter.
Guess what happened to my friend that registered to not be registered they got chased and hounded non stop by TV licence argent.
Me and the friends who binned the letters never heard from them.
scottishkiwi-dan on
Here’s one for you:
I was looking at the questions in the Life in the UK Test, and one of the questions asked if it’s true or false that: in a shared rental with multiple people renting separate rooms, each person needs their own BBC TV license. I guess false because that sounded ridiculous, but the answer was true!
Absolutely baffling. I don’t think I knew anyone renting a room in a shared house with a TV license, never mind one per room! What planet are they living on?
Consistent-Pirate-23 on
When I bought my first house it had been repossessed from the previous owner, the place wasn’t fit to move into so I hadn’t. Literally everyone else was fine with this- gas/electric wiped the credit off the meter, council were fine with classing it as empty house because we were making it habitable and would tell them when it was.
Tv licensing were sending threats left right and centre. No amount of “it’s a building site not fit for living in” was good enough. “We’ll send someone round”, apparently “can you send someone that’s good at plastering, we could use the help” isn’t what they wanted to hear
tb5841 on
Here is what should happen.
-You should only be able to log in to iplayer with your TV license details.
-You should need to log in with license details to watch any live TV
-All TV use should be tracked through the internet, so they know ‘this license was used at this location at this time.
-Then they should make all these TV license enforcers redundant, as they won’t be needed anymore.
JohnJUK on
Absolutely never speak to these scumbags when they knock on your door.
Never let them in your home.
Don’t even acknowledge your name.
Ask who they are with and shut the door in their face.
Fuck the TV licence and the BBC for imposing it.
downbarton on
They haven’t convicted me. 5 years and they can duck right off if they think I’d ever pay them a penny x
voluntarydischarge69 on
It’s absolutely discracful that this country continues to allow this form of abuse. The board of the bbc are clearly mentally ill if they think this is acceptable behavior. But considering they turn a blind eye to other forms of abuse it’s not surprising.
suckmewendy on
If they don’t know who lives there they can’t do nothing. Never answer the door to people you don’t know.
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They weren’t fucking about with their Warning letters.
To save you from the ragebait: the inspection was before the fire. She admitted she watched Eastenders without a license.
I’ll act as your mom and remind you the best way is to never talk to strangers.
Makes you more angry as you read it..
Didnt have a TV Licence because husband usually paid it, when realised, setup direct debit and paid for it.
House burns down, cancels direct debit since.. House is burned down…
Convicted because she watched eastenders before house burned down..
Shows proof that when she realised he wasnt paying she immediately setup the direct payments, she accepted and apologized that during the ONE day she watched eastenders there was no licence in place,
And the BBC wonders why they have became a joke lmao..
Why are we forced to pay for state propaganda. I literally have not watched BBC in a decade and still need a license because I have sky sports. The BBC needs to go. Because let’s face it, it seems to be the vulnerable who let these people in to their homes.
More campaign journalism from the Standard here (they really hate the SJP).
Anyway… so she skipped paying for the licence. She then admitted she had broken the law to an inspector. They agreed not to prosecute her if she kept paying. She stopped the payment plan (when the house burned down and TVLA told her she didn’t have to pay any more). They prosecuted her (for the original offence).
> In her letter to the court, the woman accepted there was no licence in place on June 3, and says she “fully cooperated, confirmed that a TV was present, and took immediate steps to resolve the matter and set up a direct debit”.
So… she pleaded guilty.
What was the court supposed to do; refuse her guilty plea? All the rest is mitigation; but mitigation goes to sentencing, not to guilt. You admit guilt, that’s that.
> Magistrate Simon Tyler Murphy, sitting in Brighton, handed the woman a three-month conditional discharge, and ordered that she pays the £120 cost of the prosecution, as well as a £26 “victim surcharge”.
That’s about as low a punishment as she could get.
Should the TVLA have brought the prosecution? Probably not – they told her to cancel her direct debit payments, she did so, and then they prosecuted her for doing it.
But she pleaded guilty.
I don’t know what the solution here is. Obviously the TVLA screwed up. Obviously we can talk about whether TV licensing should be a thing any more, whether it should be a crime, whether it should be covered by direct taxes or whatever.
But maybe the big problem here is the woman not understanding that she was admitting a crime to the inspector, and then not realising she was pleading guilty to a crime when writing to the court. Maybe there is an issue here with how poorly the general public understands our legal system.
That said, I note the article is entirely third person; the Standard doesn’t seem to have got any quotes or contact from the woman. There doesn’t seem to be anything in the article other than information from the court records. Is the Standard just trawling SJP cases to find ones they can write outrage-bait articles about?
According to government statistics, tv licence evasion made up 12% of all prosecutions against women in 2023, 18% in 2021 and 30% in 2017.
Sadly shows being honest usually fucks you over when it comes to unscrupulous/predatory businesses.
Could have just said they stopped watching it and they can’t prove shit (unless using online services where there is an element of tracking that can be done with email addresses used for accounts etc which can be linked to a TV license or lack of)
Absurd. Fresh reminder to never give those scum a penny.
She was prosecuted for watching TV unknowingly without a licence.
Normally crimes require the person to be aware that they are doing the prohibited thing.
This offence is strict liability, not requiring awareness. These laws are nearly always unfair.
This still won’t coerce me into getting a TV license.
This reminds me of usi when we all received letters telling us how we could register to say that as uni students we didn’t need a license and be good. I laughed and said register to not be registered haha nah and binned the letter.
Guess what happened to my friend that registered to not be registered they got chased and hounded non stop by TV licence argent.
Me and the friends who binned the letters never heard from them.
Here’s one for you:
I was looking at the questions in the Life in the UK Test, and one of the questions asked if it’s true or false that: in a shared rental with multiple people renting separate rooms, each person needs their own BBC TV license. I guess false because that sounded ridiculous, but the answer was true!
Absolutely baffling. I don’t think I knew anyone renting a room in a shared house with a TV license, never mind one per room! What planet are they living on?
When I bought my first house it had been repossessed from the previous owner, the place wasn’t fit to move into so I hadn’t. Literally everyone else was fine with this- gas/electric wiped the credit off the meter, council were fine with classing it as empty house because we were making it habitable and would tell them when it was.
Tv licensing were sending threats left right and centre. No amount of “it’s a building site not fit for living in” was good enough. “We’ll send someone round”, apparently “can you send someone that’s good at plastering, we could use the help” isn’t what they wanted to hear
Here is what should happen.
-You should only be able to log in to iplayer with your TV license details.
-You should need to log in with license details to watch any live TV
-All TV use should be tracked through the internet, so they know ‘this license was used at this location at this time.
-Then they should make all these TV license enforcers redundant, as they won’t be needed anymore.
Absolutely never speak to these scumbags when they knock on your door.
Never let them in your home.
Don’t even acknowledge your name.
Ask who they are with and shut the door in their face.
Fuck the TV licence and the BBC for imposing it.
They haven’t convicted me. 5 years and they can duck right off if they think I’d ever pay them a penny x
It’s absolutely discracful that this country continues to allow this form of abuse. The board of the bbc are clearly mentally ill if they think this is acceptable behavior. But considering they turn a blind eye to other forms of abuse it’s not surprising.
If they don’t know who lives there they can’t do nothing. Never answer the door to people you don’t know.