So they are going to go on strike then. Good for them, you honestly couldn’t pay me enough to be a teacher in this country these days.
ReligiousGhoul on
> My, My 40k earners, your shoulders are looking awfully “broad” this Spring
A PAYE piggy’s work is never done after all
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Neat_Owl_807 on
Increase wages significantly but move all teachers to defined contribution pension schemes so you eventually phase out current ones over next 40 years or so
BlindStupidDesperate on
Successive governments seem to regard teachers as little more than baby sitters, who exist solely to occupy the children of the UK long enough to allow their parents to be economically active.
I see the level of pointless admin, box ticking, assessment, late night working, government targets, uninformed criticism and political kickings that my wife (a secondary school teacher) has to put up with and I wonder how anybody sticks with teaching as a profesion.
KoontFace on
Tiny violins for the teachers. NO ONE gets pay rises that even meet inflation, you’re not special
Viz_Nick on
Good. Teachers should start on £50k and the average salary should be £80k+
Competitive-Step-270 on
Honestly, as a teacher, why the hell wouldn’t you go work for a private school? No doubt get paid so much more, better behaved kids (on average), better facilities?
Obviously not every teacher can do this, but if you are good, surely it’s the obvious move? It certainly beats waiting around for the government to decide you deserve an extra 2% pay
Fairway_Wanderer on
Why spend all that time training to get a job you know is poorly paid, and then moan about how poorly paid you are?
ZookeepergameThis617 on
I’m a doctor on strike, we deserve pay restoration but teachers (and nurses) deserve it even more!
Solidarity!
AngryTudor1 on
Will we?
Maybe ask us first, mate.
I ain’t voting yes and I ain’t going on strike
Maybe concentrate on actually helping decent honest teaching staff when they need you.
I’ve seen them go to the ends of the earth for the minority of shirkers trying it on, but every honest and decent member of staff I’ve ever seen be treated genuinely badly the union has basically been “sucks to be you”
conrat4567 on
School Trusts are to busy lining the pockets of administrators and creating high paying jobs to actually pay teachers well.
The Trust I work for hasn’t been able to keep staff for more than 9 to 12 months. HR claim its the lack of decent teachers but if you pay cheap, you get cheap.
Our administrators earn up to 85k for doing a job no one knows nothing about. Our headteachers are all on 60 to 80, and one is on 110k because they where former CEOs of other trusts that joined by merger. Funnily enough, they are the longest serving staff at each school.
I say do it. Its about time schools actually remembered the main reason they exist is to teach, not run businesses.
Roamdesk on
Don’t blame the we have teachers jobs on our site and the pay scale is stupid
Xcoblob on
They already earn £80k when normalised for the 70 days annual leave.
Confident_Drop8326 on
Teacher pay is joke. Especially outside london. I wonder whether I can take my kids on holiday while the strike is on thou 🤔. Two birds, one stone
Top_Mud4664 on
Teachers get plenty of money. Especially when you take into account how much time they have off.
Combine that with the gold plated pensions, and they’re really doing quite well.
Buttermyparsnips on
We’re borrowing 150 billion a year and we’re not at war nor have the banks collapsed. What are we paying them with exactly
BeautyAndTheDekes on
To be fair, when people say “Tax the Rich” they aren’t talking about the £125k earners. They’re talking about the multimillionaires and billionaires who are dodging paying tax in the first place.
I personally think we should have more tax bands, with a wider spread.
Angelsomething on
wild there is still this pervasive idea that vocational careers like teaching and social care don’t deserve competitive compensation. wild that a bartender makes more than a teacher or the nurse that looks after your loved ones.
bulldog_blues on
Given how poorly treated and compensated teachers are this isn’t at all surprising.
thecheeseboiger on
Essentially, the workload has increased (SEND/admin) but it’s still crammed into the same hours it was 40-50 years ago.
In part because there is more admin and also because of trusts taking over most mainstream schools due to *educational research* which said they promoted better outcomes for students. They don’t, as it turns out but the government planned to make every school a trust school ten years ago before quietly abandoning that notion.
And now, the workload has shot up and compensation for that work has declined. It’s also become much less fulfilling to be in this profession.
And as a bonus: schools in trusts can now get orders and financial decisions made by crusty, incompetent, middle-aged types who have never taught in their lives.
They’re usually referred to broadly as HR. Ask your local teacher what they think about those swine.
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So they are going to go on strike then. Good for them, you honestly couldn’t pay me enough to be a teacher in this country these days.
> My, My 40k earners, your shoulders are looking awfully “broad” this Spring
A PAYE piggy’s work is never done after all
[deleted]
Increase wages significantly but move all teachers to defined contribution pension schemes so you eventually phase out current ones over next 40 years or so
Successive governments seem to regard teachers as little more than baby sitters, who exist solely to occupy the children of the UK long enough to allow their parents to be economically active.
I see the level of pointless admin, box ticking, assessment, late night working, government targets, uninformed criticism and political kickings that my wife (a secondary school teacher) has to put up with and I wonder how anybody sticks with teaching as a profesion.
Tiny violins for the teachers. NO ONE gets pay rises that even meet inflation, you’re not special
Good. Teachers should start on £50k and the average salary should be £80k+
Honestly, as a teacher, why the hell wouldn’t you go work for a private school? No doubt get paid so much more, better behaved kids (on average), better facilities?
Obviously not every teacher can do this, but if you are good, surely it’s the obvious move? It certainly beats waiting around for the government to decide you deserve an extra 2% pay
Why spend all that time training to get a job you know is poorly paid, and then moan about how poorly paid you are?
I’m a doctor on strike, we deserve pay restoration but teachers (and nurses) deserve it even more!
Solidarity!
Will we?
Maybe ask us first, mate.
I ain’t voting yes and I ain’t going on strike
Maybe concentrate on actually helping decent honest teaching staff when they need you.
I’ve seen them go to the ends of the earth for the minority of shirkers trying it on, but every honest and decent member of staff I’ve ever seen be treated genuinely badly the union has basically been “sucks to be you”
School Trusts are to busy lining the pockets of administrators and creating high paying jobs to actually pay teachers well.
The Trust I work for hasn’t been able to keep staff for more than 9 to 12 months. HR claim its the lack of decent teachers but if you pay cheap, you get cheap.
Our administrators earn up to 85k for doing a job no one knows nothing about. Our headteachers are all on 60 to 80, and one is on 110k because they where former CEOs of other trusts that joined by merger. Funnily enough, they are the longest serving staff at each school.
I say do it. Its about time schools actually remembered the main reason they exist is to teach, not run businesses.
Don’t blame the we have teachers jobs on our site and the pay scale is stupid
They already earn £80k when normalised for the 70 days annual leave.
Teacher pay is joke. Especially outside london. I wonder whether I can take my kids on holiday while the strike is on thou 🤔. Two birds, one stone
Teachers get plenty of money. Especially when you take into account how much time they have off.
Combine that with the gold plated pensions, and they’re really doing quite well.
We’re borrowing 150 billion a year and we’re not at war nor have the banks collapsed. What are we paying them with exactly
To be fair, when people say “Tax the Rich” they aren’t talking about the £125k earners. They’re talking about the multimillionaires and billionaires who are dodging paying tax in the first place.
I personally think we should have more tax bands, with a wider spread.
wild there is still this pervasive idea that vocational careers like teaching and social care don’t deserve competitive compensation. wild that a bartender makes more than a teacher or the nurse that looks after your loved ones.
Given how poorly treated and compensated teachers are this isn’t at all surprising.
Essentially, the workload has increased (SEND/admin) but it’s still crammed into the same hours it was 40-50 years ago.
In part because there is more admin and also because of trusts taking over most mainstream schools due to *educational research* which said they promoted better outcomes for students. They don’t, as it turns out but the government planned to make every school a trust school ten years ago before quietly abandoning that notion.
And now, the workload has shot up and compensation for that work has declined. It’s also become much less fulfilling to be in this profession.
And as a bonus: schools in trusts can now get orders and financial decisions made by crusty, incompetent, middle-aged types who have never taught in their lives.
They’re usually referred to broadly as HR. Ask your local teacher what they think about those swine.