This is even more worthless then NATO, USA wont protect shit in EU. That much was made clear.
ElectroRice on
Just enough to extract the minerals and throw them under the bus again.
Dockers4flag2035orB4 on
Don’t take the deal.
I wouldn’t trust the USA for 15minutes with Trump in charge.
RidetheSchlange on
Didn’t Ukraine already have security guarantees that turned out to be fake and have forever changed the face of nuclear non-proliferation initiatives? You mean that agreement which is now sparking the beginning of nuclear armament?
Royal-Hunter3892 on
There is in no way US would fight with Russia for Ukraine, heck it’s not even willing to fight Russia for its European NATO members.
TrueLegateDamar on
Experience shows the Cheeto’s guarantees guarantee nothing.
G_UK on
A guarantee from America is about as much use as a marzipan dildo.
billionaire_leech on
These meetings are useless. Trumps guarantees are recognised globally as completely meaningless. And what the fuck was Junk doing giving Putin a two-hour briefing prior to Zelensky’s arrival.
He should be in hand-cuffs with his pants pulled down live on camera.
snower88 on
I think I would be an idiot to take this offer
SenseiKingPong on
Don’t trust what Donnie says
postusa2 on
The problem is obviously being previewed at the same time: the Trump administration will side with Putins account rather than go to war. Thought this war going back to Crimea and MH17, Putin just smiles and denies. So it will continue with the extra weight that Trump will blame Ukraine for any future attack.
Comfortable_Owl9363 on
Shouldn’t they be throwing the idea of a peace plan to Russia since they are the aggressor?
SXOSXO on
Plenty of time for Russia to rebuild its armed forces.
gentleman_bronco on
It’s a lie. Trump’s word is only as good as a kernel of corn in an outhouse.
ThatsAllFolksAgain on
What are the punishments for Russia? What do they have to give up? Who will pay for the damage done to Ukraine?
It seems like Ukraine is the loser one way or another.
clingbat on
I don’t see how this actually ends without NATO peacekeeping boots on the ground in Ukraine given the circumstances, so Putin refusing to allow that shows he’s not being serious at all about ending this. It’s just political theatre for him so he can tell his supporters he “tried” but the other side just aren’t being reasonable.
Without a true deterrent that forcefully triggers a larger war if he tries to invade again, security guarantees don’t mean a fucking thing if we’re keeping it real. Ukraine already had a security guarantee from Russia (Budapest Memorandum) and Russia completely ignored that commitment, and the UK and US sat by watching them get pummelled for months before really engaging even in serious weapon supply/ intel at a minimum.
tykillacool23 on
I can literally guarantee you guys that Russia will attack them again, even if they’re a treaty
uprightshark on
Trump can not be trusted. His word means nothing.
I have my doubts that he would honor his NATO commitment if Russia attacks Europe. So definitely not Ukraine.
As a Canadian, I worry every night thar nut has another “moment” and decides to annex us for our water, minerals and oil.
Nothing he says is true …. he can not be trusted.
Matt7738 on
Ask Sitting Bull how those usually work out.
mvallas1073 on
Trump is the epitome of “Promise everything, deliver nothing”
dudical_dude on
Everything’s a subscription plan these days
minobi on
Putin is going to circle this day in his calendar.
UdidWatWitWho on
Trusting the US is always a big mistake. Even more so these days.
Deatheturtle on
Worthless so long as the GOP are in power.
SedesBakelitowy on
What sense does this even make? Shouldn’t “guarantees” be wishful thinking enough that DT could just promise whatever, like 99 years or something?
I mean, 15 years sounds straight up like “you get this much time to prepare and we don’t care what happens later”
Fantastic-Cricket705 on
Lol he knows what Trump’s promises are worth.
Zargoza1 on
Trump lies like other people breathe
Gimedecash on
Ya sure. Just enough time for putin to get more ammo and soldiers for the next attack.
Armtoe on
US and Russia both offered security guarantees when Ukraine gave up its nukes. How’d that work out for them?
cstmoore on
Neither Trump nor Putin can be trusted. Ever.
Ukraine, you in trouble girl.
wjames0394 on
You can’t trust the u s government.
Sad_Beat_4404 on
Dude this would last like three years and then ya “sorry we can’t continue helping when your existence is a threat”
nofuckingpeepshow on
DON’T TRUST IT!
bowens44 on
Nothing from the trump administration can be trusted. They lie more easily than they breathe.
im_in_hiding on
Wasn’t the US supposed to help protect them already??
FemmeWizard on
American promises are worth as much as Russian ones at this point.
midtown_museo on
Trump has damaged America’s credibility so much that American promises are pretty meaningless at this point.
Justryan95 on
Trump’s promises are less credible than Putin’s
K1ngk1ller71 on
15 years is long enough for Trump to die and the Republicans to melt down.
Then we may get a mature, professional US government that changes this to something a lot more progressive.
Conscious-Disk5310 on
Trumps word is shit.
mental_monkey on
Not that long ago Russia also promised to protect Ukraine, yet here we are.
Pretty clear already that any so-called promises or guarantees made by the shit show of an administration sadly means a sweet fuck all.
NMBruceCO on
Let’s see, the current agreement isn’t working, so why should this one?
GuitarGeezer on
The US cannot be relied upon by Allies as Trump has frequently stated publicly. He publicly repudiated Article 5 already. Only enemies and dictatorships can trust us, never again should rule of law countries view the US as being all that much better than Russia. Sure, some mid and low level American NATO officers keep working away and assuring people we are still in. Their relative powerlessness and the clear signs that the US views rule of law republics as the great Satan makes that mean very damned little when push comes to shove.
No longterm peace with Russia is even possible under any imaginable set of facts or circumstances for any nation and it virtually never has been. Lavrov and Putin made that clear repeatedly by word and deed for decades. Any likely successor will be the same or worse and it is childish to pretend otherwise after centuries of consistent expansionist genocide that makes Imperial and Nazi Germany’s entire legacy look like short term dilettante amateurs at totalitarianism.
I get that careless and lazy people are all ‘just get any ceasefire at any price and it has to be good’, but that happened around 2015 already and it didn’t turn out good at all. The endless list of second war of this and second war of that just in the past 40 years tells you all you need to know about this terminator never ceasing to say “I’ll be back.” Remember that Russia will be reloading too.
Most-Artichoke6184 on
A guarantee by Donald Trump is worth nothing.
Paratwa on
I’m from the US I wouldn’t trust Trump to shit in his pants and that’s what he’s best at.
Tankeverket on
We’ve seen what security guarantees get you from the US, it’s worth nothing
beer_curmudgeon on
A Trump guarentee is about as good as a paper straw left in your drink for 15min.
Worthless.
7th_Sim on
Gee didn’t the US promise that when Ukraine gave up its nukes?
Only NATO membership will provide security.
Give Ukraine that and their land and people back, reparations for the damage and Putin charged and tried by the world court.
That’s peace.
yogtheterrible on
The us can guarantee all it wants, trump doesn’t honor agreements of any kind so any agreement made is pointless.
lostnthestars117 on
You mean like the US did like last time and failed to uphold the end of deal.
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This is even more worthless then NATO, USA wont protect shit in EU. That much was made clear.
Just enough to extract the minerals and throw them under the bus again.
Don’t take the deal.
I wouldn’t trust the USA for 15minutes with Trump in charge.
Didn’t Ukraine already have security guarantees that turned out to be fake and have forever changed the face of nuclear non-proliferation initiatives? You mean that agreement which is now sparking the beginning of nuclear armament?
There is in no way US would fight with Russia for Ukraine, heck it’s not even willing to fight Russia for its European NATO members.
Experience shows the Cheeto’s guarantees guarantee nothing.
A guarantee from America is about as much use as a marzipan dildo.
These meetings are useless. Trumps guarantees are recognised globally as completely meaningless. And what the fuck was Junk doing giving Putin a two-hour briefing prior to Zelensky’s arrival.
He should be in hand-cuffs with his pants pulled down live on camera.
I think I would be an idiot to take this offer
Don’t trust what Donnie says
The problem is obviously being previewed at the same time: the Trump administration will side with Putins account rather than go to war. Thought this war going back to Crimea and MH17, Putin just smiles and denies. So it will continue with the extra weight that Trump will blame Ukraine for any future attack.
Shouldn’t they be throwing the idea of a peace plan to Russia since they are the aggressor?
Plenty of time for Russia to rebuild its armed forces.
It’s a lie. Trump’s word is only as good as a kernel of corn in an outhouse.
What are the punishments for Russia? What do they have to give up? Who will pay for the damage done to Ukraine?
It seems like Ukraine is the loser one way or another.
I don’t see how this actually ends without NATO peacekeeping boots on the ground in Ukraine given the circumstances, so Putin refusing to allow that shows he’s not being serious at all about ending this. It’s just political theatre for him so he can tell his supporters he “tried” but the other side just aren’t being reasonable.
Without a true deterrent that forcefully triggers a larger war if he tries to invade again, security guarantees don’t mean a fucking thing if we’re keeping it real. Ukraine already had a security guarantee from Russia (Budapest Memorandum) and Russia completely ignored that commitment, and the UK and US sat by watching them get pummelled for months before really engaging even in serious weapon supply/ intel at a minimum.
I can literally guarantee you guys that Russia will attack them again, even if they’re a treaty
Trump can not be trusted. His word means nothing.
I have my doubts that he would honor his NATO commitment if Russia attacks Europe. So definitely not Ukraine.
As a Canadian, I worry every night thar nut has another “moment” and decides to annex us for our water, minerals and oil.
Nothing he says is true …. he can not be trusted.
Ask Sitting Bull how those usually work out.
Trump is the epitome of “Promise everything, deliver nothing”
Everything’s a subscription plan these days
Putin is going to circle this day in his calendar.
Trusting the US is always a big mistake. Even more so these days.
Worthless so long as the GOP are in power.
What sense does this even make? Shouldn’t “guarantees” be wishful thinking enough that DT could just promise whatever, like 99 years or something?
I mean, 15 years sounds straight up like “you get this much time to prepare and we don’t care what happens later”
Lol he knows what Trump’s promises are worth.
Trump lies like other people breathe
Ya sure. Just enough time for putin to get more ammo and soldiers for the next attack.
US and Russia both offered security guarantees when Ukraine gave up its nukes. How’d that work out for them?
Neither Trump nor Putin can be trusted. Ever.
Ukraine, you in trouble girl.
You can’t trust the u s government.
Dude this would last like three years and then ya “sorry we can’t continue helping when your existence is a threat”
DON’T TRUST IT!
Nothing from the trump administration can be trusted. They lie more easily than they breathe.
Wasn’t the US supposed to help protect them already??
American promises are worth as much as Russian ones at this point.
Trump has damaged America’s credibility so much that American promises are pretty meaningless at this point.
Trump’s promises are less credible than Putin’s
15 years is long enough for Trump to die and the Republicans to melt down.
Then we may get a mature, professional US government that changes this to something a lot more progressive.
Trumps word is shit.
Not that long ago Russia also promised to protect Ukraine, yet here we are.
Pretty clear already that any so-called promises or guarantees made by the shit show of an administration sadly means a sweet fuck all.
Let’s see, the current agreement isn’t working, so why should this one?
The US cannot be relied upon by Allies as Trump has frequently stated publicly. He publicly repudiated Article 5 already. Only enemies and dictatorships can trust us, never again should rule of law countries view the US as being all that much better than Russia. Sure, some mid and low level American NATO officers keep working away and assuring people we are still in. Their relative powerlessness and the clear signs that the US views rule of law republics as the great Satan makes that mean very damned little when push comes to shove.
No longterm peace with Russia is even possible under any imaginable set of facts or circumstances for any nation and it virtually never has been. Lavrov and Putin made that clear repeatedly by word and deed for decades. Any likely successor will be the same or worse and it is childish to pretend otherwise after centuries of consistent expansionist genocide that makes Imperial and Nazi Germany’s entire legacy look like short term dilettante amateurs at totalitarianism.
I get that careless and lazy people are all ‘just get any ceasefire at any price and it has to be good’, but that happened around 2015 already and it didn’t turn out good at all. The endless list of second war of this and second war of that just in the past 40 years tells you all you need to know about this terminator never ceasing to say “I’ll be back.” Remember that Russia will be reloading too.
A guarantee by Donald Trump is worth nothing.
I’m from the US I wouldn’t trust Trump to shit in his pants and that’s what he’s best at.
We’ve seen what security guarantees get you from the US, it’s worth nothing
A Trump guarentee is about as good as a paper straw left in your drink for 15min.
Worthless.
Gee didn’t the US promise that when Ukraine gave up its nukes?
Only NATO membership will provide security.
Give Ukraine that and their land and people back, reparations for the damage and Putin charged and tried by the world court.
That’s peace.
The us can guarantee all it wants, trump doesn’t honor agreements of any kind so any agreement made is pointless.
You mean like the US did like last time and failed to uphold the end of deal.