I wonder what it would be if they all knew that trail hunting=fox hunting.
callsignhotdog on
“Look we’re not hunting Foxes, we’re just training a couple dozen dogs to aggressively pursue the scent of fox, and then we’re going to take them out for a lovely ride in the country and if they accidentally happen across a fox and tear it apart en masse, well that’s just a tragic accident.”
Tomatoflee on
As much as I dislike hunting, imo all this stuff is a mistake. People Disneyfy animals when the animal kingdom really is red in tooth and claw. My view is that we should let this stuff die out naturally by choice.
At the end of the day, we have real problems as a country. These bans solve nothing really and they take away by government force traditions that are just a part of a system and culture that the people banning it don’t fully understand.
This just creates more division, hatred, and polarisation and it’s a distraction from solving the actual problems we have. That’s the main reason do-nothing centrists love it. They’re cashing in on “we all love animals, right?” sentiment without actually having to do the work of fixing the country.
Imo banning stuff we don’t really understand without trying to find out or persuade is the wrong way to go.
jakethepeg1989 on
Have we actually started enforcing the hunting ban yet?
I_love_running_89 on
Good – get this barbaric practice gone.
We have plenty of other, non barbaric practices to conserve our heritage and culture.
InflatableSexBeast on
Fox hunting: for when parking your Range Rover across three disabled spaces in Waitrose car park just doesn’t say ‘cunt’ enough.
draenog_ on
That’s a *very* generously worded question.
> “Trail hunting” is the practice of laying a scent trail using a rag soaked in animal scent for hounds and riders on horseback to chase. Advocates say that this allows people to simulate hunts without actually harming an animal, but critics say it is sometimes used as a smokescreen for actual fox hunting. Do you think trail hunting should be made illegal, or should it remain legal?
If I was trying to word the question neutrally, I would have phrased it more like:
> “Trail hunting” and “drag hunting” are the practice of laying a scent trail for hounds and riders on horseback to chase. “Trail hunting” uses a rag soaked in fox urine, and packs of foxhounds. “Drag hunting” uses artificial scents, such as aniseed, and may use foxhounds or bloodhounds. “Hunting the clean boot” is a third simulated hunting practice where a human runner lays a trail of their natural scent for bloodhounds.
> Advocates say that trail hunting allows people to simulate hunts without actually harming an animal, and that foxhounds preferentially hunt foxes so using fox urine reduces the risk of the hounds becoming distracted by other wildlife trails.
> Critics say trail hunting is normally a smokescreen for actual fox hunting, and that people who genuinely want to simulate hunting without harming animals go drag hunting or hunting the clean boot instead, using bloodhounds.
> Do you think trail hunting should be made illegal, or should it remain legal?
If I was being partial to the anti-hunting side, I would point out that advocates of trail hunting have a tendency to forget themselves and argue that the foxes are pests and need to be controlled, forgetting that it’s perfectly legal to shoot foxes for pest control and that they’re not actually *supposed* to be controlling the fox population on their “trail hunts”.
Gentle_Snail on
I’m genuinely so up for the proposed alternative where they chase a person instead, sounds like such a fucking blast – could honestly be a new great British tradition like cheese rolling.
It’s like a game of tag, except when they catch you you get swarmed in friendly spaniels. Fucking sensational, how has no one thought of this before.
sober_disposition on
I’m sure the public would support banning bonuses for financial services jobs by at least the same margin but that doesn’t mean we should do it.
Policy should not be dictated by uninformed opinion.
Ill_Refrigerator_593 on
Also from the survey-
– *50% of Britons living in rural areas say trail hunting should be banned*
*- 51-58% in rural areas say hunting is not important socially or economically to rural communities*
Dependent_Key5423 on
It’s pretty telling that support for a ban jumps when you explain what trail hunting actually is. The whole “accident” excuse is such a transparent loophole. Public opinion has clearly moved on from this outdated cruelty.
Employ-Personal on
Now let’s ask them whether they’d like to see hanging return for, oh I don’t know, child rape and murder? If you base decisions on what percentages of the population want then you’ll be opening a whole new can of worms. Hatred of the country side and ‘toffs’ isn’t enough on which to base a law.
No_Atmosphere8146 on
29% is shockingly high. I can’t imagine why anybody outside of the Toff Toffington circles would support this.
OiseauxDeath on
If trail hunting is save for foxes id be far more up for people volunteering to be the fox covered in whatever they use, obviously it have to be some type of lottery from the hunting gangs
AdrenalineAnxiety on
In my opinion there is a way to maintain tradition and have the positive social aspects of dog training and horse riding whilst not harming animals. Drag hunting with bloodhounds should be allowed. Bloodhounds are trained to follow any scent, often human, and are not trained to kill animals or wildlife. The scent used should not be one that can be confused with wildlife, for example aniseed, or just hunt a person! Surely hunting a person who has an hours headstart is much more sporting than an animal anyway.
Trail hunting with foxhounds uses fox urine as the scent and then “oops”, we accidentally killed this fox. Of course you bloody did. You literally trained them to follow the scent of a fox and kill them and then pretended it would all be okay because you also used some fox pee on a rag.
Permission from the landowners should also be a requirement for a hunt to be legal, unless on a public path and all hunts should be registered with the local police so they can choose to have a representative there to ensure the law is being stuck to.
There should be extremely harsh penalties for anyone participating in a hunt that illegally kills animals and no allowances made for accidents; then perhaps they’d be more careful about the scent and dogs used.
Ok_Impact9745 on
Whether or not they are actually killing foxes or not I think banning fox hunting sends a message to the toffs that we’ve had enough of their shit. For that reason alone I support the ban.
Substantial-Goal-794 on
Can’t they just hunt animals that have to be culled??? Deer populations are unchecked and causing massive damage to the environment. Id prefer reintroducing wolves,but I dont think there would be a lot of support for it
Public-Ganache2885 on
While we are at it, should we ban cars from country lanes? See more dead foxes and badgers due to cars than i hear about from the other lot.
Youknowkitties on
Very depressing that it’s only 50%. I guess most people don’t realise that trail hunting = fox hunting.
pm_me_yur_ragrets on
I’m interested to know if those polled oppose it because they actually don’t agree with cruelty to animals (see bacon) or because they don’t agree with the entitled fucks on horses….
Sirlacker on
I think it should be absolutely legal to release the Chavs on their dirt bikes on boxing day. Hunters go for the fox, Chavs go for the hunters.
Get it aired on TV as a pay per view event and I’d watch it.
_Monsterguy_ on
Last time I saw my local “hunt” they were riding their horses through 4 sets of red traffic lights at a motorway junction.
It’s only because everyone else cared about animals that there wasn’t an incident.
OverTheCandlestik on
We don’t hunt foxes anymore, we hunt scent. We still take our dogs though so if by accident we find a fox in y’ know the entire English countryside then oopsie daisy it’s just a silly accident!
peterchekhov on
Absolutely, it is a ridiculous relic and should be banned
_Monsterguy_ on
“Oh, no! The dogs have accidentally caught a fox, how awful”
“In an astonishing turn of events, I seem to have accidentally wiped fox blood onto the faces of crying children”
Many-Explanation6644 on
People won’t go trail hunting – they’ll go out riding to exercise their dogs. The police won’t prosecute (they don’t currently) as their resources are stretched.
Gardyloop on
Toff blood sports can die the cruel death they deserve.
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I wonder what it would be if they all knew that trail hunting=fox hunting.
“Look we’re not hunting Foxes, we’re just training a couple dozen dogs to aggressively pursue the scent of fox, and then we’re going to take them out for a lovely ride in the country and if they accidentally happen across a fox and tear it apart en masse, well that’s just a tragic accident.”
As much as I dislike hunting, imo all this stuff is a mistake. People Disneyfy animals when the animal kingdom really is red in tooth and claw. My view is that we should let this stuff die out naturally by choice.
At the end of the day, we have real problems as a country. These bans solve nothing really and they take away by government force traditions that are just a part of a system and culture that the people banning it don’t fully understand.
This just creates more division, hatred, and polarisation and it’s a distraction from solving the actual problems we have. That’s the main reason do-nothing centrists love it. They’re cashing in on “we all love animals, right?” sentiment without actually having to do the work of fixing the country.
Imo banning stuff we don’t really understand without trying to find out or persuade is the wrong way to go.
Have we actually started enforcing the hunting ban yet?
Good – get this barbaric practice gone.
We have plenty of other, non barbaric practices to conserve our heritage and culture.
Fox hunting: for when parking your Range Rover across three disabled spaces in Waitrose car park just doesn’t say ‘cunt’ enough.
That’s a *very* generously worded question.
> “Trail hunting” is the practice of laying a scent trail using a rag soaked in animal scent for hounds and riders on horseback to chase. Advocates say that this allows people to simulate hunts without actually harming an animal, but critics say it is sometimes used as a smokescreen for actual fox hunting. Do you think trail hunting should be made illegal, or should it remain legal?
If I was trying to word the question neutrally, I would have phrased it more like:
> “Trail hunting” and “drag hunting” are the practice of laying a scent trail for hounds and riders on horseback to chase. “Trail hunting” uses a rag soaked in fox urine, and packs of foxhounds. “Drag hunting” uses artificial scents, such as aniseed, and may use foxhounds or bloodhounds. “Hunting the clean boot” is a third simulated hunting practice where a human runner lays a trail of their natural scent for bloodhounds.
> Advocates say that trail hunting allows people to simulate hunts without actually harming an animal, and that foxhounds preferentially hunt foxes so using fox urine reduces the risk of the hounds becoming distracted by other wildlife trails.
> Critics say trail hunting is normally a smokescreen for actual fox hunting, and that people who genuinely want to simulate hunting without harming animals go drag hunting or hunting the clean boot instead, using bloodhounds.
> Do you think trail hunting should be made illegal, or should it remain legal?
If I was being partial to the anti-hunting side, I would point out that advocates of trail hunting have a tendency to forget themselves and argue that the foxes are pests and need to be controlled, forgetting that it’s perfectly legal to shoot foxes for pest control and that they’re not actually *supposed* to be controlling the fox population on their “trail hunts”.
I’m genuinely so up for the proposed alternative where they chase a person instead, sounds like such a fucking blast – could honestly be a new great British tradition like cheese rolling.
It’s like a game of tag, except when they catch you you get swarmed in friendly spaniels. Fucking sensational, how has no one thought of this before.
I’m sure the public would support banning bonuses for financial services jobs by at least the same margin but that doesn’t mean we should do it.
Policy should not be dictated by uninformed opinion.
Also from the survey-
– *50% of Britons living in rural areas say trail hunting should be banned*
*- 51-58% in rural areas say hunting is not important socially or economically to rural communities*
It’s pretty telling that support for a ban jumps when you explain what trail hunting actually is. The whole “accident” excuse is such a transparent loophole. Public opinion has clearly moved on from this outdated cruelty.
Now let’s ask them whether they’d like to see hanging return for, oh I don’t know, child rape and murder? If you base decisions on what percentages of the population want then you’ll be opening a whole new can of worms. Hatred of the country side and ‘toffs’ isn’t enough on which to base a law.
29% is shockingly high. I can’t imagine why anybody outside of the Toff Toffington circles would support this.
If trail hunting is save for foxes id be far more up for people volunteering to be the fox covered in whatever they use, obviously it have to be some type of lottery from the hunting gangs
In my opinion there is a way to maintain tradition and have the positive social aspects of dog training and horse riding whilst not harming animals. Drag hunting with bloodhounds should be allowed. Bloodhounds are trained to follow any scent, often human, and are not trained to kill animals or wildlife. The scent used should not be one that can be confused with wildlife, for example aniseed, or just hunt a person! Surely hunting a person who has an hours headstart is much more sporting than an animal anyway.
Trail hunting with foxhounds uses fox urine as the scent and then “oops”, we accidentally killed this fox. Of course you bloody did. You literally trained them to follow the scent of a fox and kill them and then pretended it would all be okay because you also used some fox pee on a rag.
Permission from the landowners should also be a requirement for a hunt to be legal, unless on a public path and all hunts should be registered with the local police so they can choose to have a representative there to ensure the law is being stuck to.
There should be extremely harsh penalties for anyone participating in a hunt that illegally kills animals and no allowances made for accidents; then perhaps they’d be more careful about the scent and dogs used.
Whether or not they are actually killing foxes or not I think banning fox hunting sends a message to the toffs that we’ve had enough of their shit. For that reason alone I support the ban.
Can’t they just hunt animals that have to be culled??? Deer populations are unchecked and causing massive damage to the environment. Id prefer reintroducing wolves,but I dont think there would be a lot of support for it
While we are at it, should we ban cars from country lanes? See more dead foxes and badgers due to cars than i hear about from the other lot.
Very depressing that it’s only 50%. I guess most people don’t realise that trail hunting = fox hunting.
I’m interested to know if those polled oppose it because they actually don’t agree with cruelty to animals (see bacon) or because they don’t agree with the entitled fucks on horses….
I think it should be absolutely legal to release the Chavs on their dirt bikes on boxing day. Hunters go for the fox, Chavs go for the hunters.
Get it aired on TV as a pay per view event and I’d watch it.
Last time I saw my local “hunt” they were riding their horses through 4 sets of red traffic lights at a motorway junction.
It’s only because everyone else cared about animals that there wasn’t an incident.
We don’t hunt foxes anymore, we hunt scent. We still take our dogs though so if by accident we find a fox in y’ know the entire English countryside then oopsie daisy it’s just a silly accident!
Absolutely, it is a ridiculous relic and should be banned
“Oh, no! The dogs have accidentally caught a fox, how awful”
“In an astonishing turn of events, I seem to have accidentally wiped fox blood onto the faces of crying children”
People won’t go trail hunting – they’ll go out riding to exercise their dogs. The police won’t prosecute (they don’t currently) as their resources are stretched.
Toff blood sports can die the cruel death they deserve.