“Yeah but REAL communism has never been tried!!!!!”
Every “communist” regime in the history of humanity fit the description in this meme, so that point is irrelevant and should be disregarded.
“Yeah but that means REAL communism could work!!!!!”
Statelessness, classnessness, common ownership and moneylessness can work. The caveat is that it all falls flat the moment someone (e.g. a big enough rebellious organization, or a foreign invader) tries to take control, at which point you return to an authoritarian state which lacks laws to ensure private rights. tl;dr: it only works if the entire world cooperates, which will never happen.
nutitoo on
The main difference between nazi and Soviet Union is that nazis targeted other countries while Soviets (mainly) targeted their own people
y4XrW3UhRikFMG on
And that’s exactly why in Poland we hate both equally, and promoting either of them is prohibited by law.
springmeds on
Les Podervianskyi said exactly the same thing. He described Russian ideology as “Pussy nazism” (Сцикливий нацизм) as they are afraid to acknowledge they’re nazis.
Polish_Raccoon2137 on
not all communists are soviets tho
WetOnionRing on
What does this even have to do with poland
Moroff8 on
But you know that not every communist is stalinist and fan of soviet union right, lmao. If somebody says that Marx had some good points it dont mean that he like pol pot.
Smooth_Panic_8837 on
This. I get so annoyed when I see Westerners romanticize communism. My parents who actually grew up with it would like a word…
MasterDoogway on
All of these fits for interwar Poland as well so that’s not an ownage you think it is lol
Amfibiann on
Another pole not understanding what communism is. Not surprising
Bentman343 on
A.) Wrong
B.) Genuine Nazi apologia to pretend that they are not in denial about the evil of their ideology
TaroHonest9893 on
Most of the points on the left apply to our ultra-capitalist, democraticaly voted goverments 😬 And the rest would too, if there would be a space for it in our country(Slovakia). So I guess none of the systems is really immune to that?
CapVelo202 on
I mean, I agree, but a lot of people on the internet don’t understand that Communism and Socialism are two diffrent things, and most self-proclaimed “Communists” don’t support what actual Communism is, and actually the stuff they’re talking about fits into Democratic Socialism.
Important thing to know, is that Socialism is, in it’s core, a really good ideology, becouse it’s basicly just “Hey, lets be equal”. Buy, the problem always lies in the execution, with 90% of the time is, really shit.
Anyway, yeah, historically, communism was really bad.
kirrax1 on
The right pic should say “Same as Nazi, but they call every victim a Nazi”.
MCTheOnly on
Fuck Russia
Ok_Detail_1 on
Same in Croatia…
andrusbaun on
Communism is a system which is basically incompatible with human nature. People should be treated equally by law, but are not equal. People have different potentials, some are vulnerable and need extra care, majority will live just right and some will make live better for themselves and others.
There is nothing wrong with wealth, unless actions of wealthy individual negatively impact others.
That is why social-democracy, with free market, yet regulated by state is the ultimate solution.
SympathySad8571 on
libek sie zesral
WhatIsATriffid on
Totalitarian regimes often have several key things in common, similar to religion
– There is always a text of doctrine (Bible, Mein Kampf, Mao, Lenin’s work etc)
– There is always an enforcer (Spanish Inquisition, Gestapo, KGB etc)
– There is always an enemy that must be persecuted endlessly to extinction, often they consist of one or more minority groups (heretics, ‘***enemies*** of the people’ etc)
Numerous_Team_2998 on
This is true with one caveat – as soon as you start claiming that unemployment benefits are communist, your opinion should be discarded with the rules of reductio ad Hitlerum.
Alpensin on
There were no concentration camps in the USSR. And communism is not against democracy. You call propaganda takes as “facts”
Technical_Freedom566 on
Communism has shown itself to be a lie not to mention they say they are helpful
pawozakwa on
How many downvotes on r/Polska?
DistributionRight261 on
The big difference is that Nazis lost the war, so very one agreed on the story.
Meanwhile communists “helped” USA and they had nukes.
ElementalistPoppy on
This is precisely why I consider commies a bigger danger and overall, worse system. Nazism is so transparent on its flaws, its precisely used as a synonymous word to evil, wrong-doing, and so on. Like, even merely showing an inkling of sympathy towards it, makes you a bad guy and people wanting to distance themselves from you.
Commies on the other hand? They managed to brainwash entire world about how this ground of poverty and obscene human abuse is apparently an innocent fix to our all problems!
Both suck though and its apologists are bunch of, at best, edgelord teenagers, or worst, dangerous maniacs that can have blood on their hands.
Upbeat-Size-624 on
they were not strong enough to fight it down so they fall in it for years, decreasing their progress in any comparable aspect and now they say it was great to have communism.. lol
PolishKuroaki on
As some one who loves learning about Poland because it’s my heritage
I hate to say it but Poland was pretty authoritarian and undemocratic in the 30’s
Proskowinski on
Stalinists, yeah. Marxists? quite the opposite.
EraOfProsperity on
Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
Electrical-Cicada-89 on
Thanks, I know a LOT of people I can send this to
Individual_Quote2055 on
First lost the war, second won. That’s reason for that different narrative. What is more fucked up that there are also some good things that those oppresive systems did, which no one will talk about.
the_weaver_of_dreams on
“Nazis and communists are the same, I’m such a big-brained boy.”
Grow up and remember which one of those groups murdered millions of your countrypeople, looted the shit out of your country, and carried out mass destruction of your villages, towns and cities.
No one is saying communism was good for Poland; Nazism was simply much much worse.
GrandalfTheBrown on
They are ultimately just the different faces of totalitarianism.
Intrepid_Bobcat_2931 on
Karl Marx was troll on par with the worst 4chan trolls that have lived.
In real life he was a complete psychopath – living like a parasite, treating people like complete shit.
If you take a real look at his methods of argument:
Let’s say two people are in a discussion about something. Person A says we should strongly discourage private car ownership. Person B says we should instead encourage it. They both make references to economics, resources, feelings, culture to support their point.
Person A then claims: it is a SCIENTIFIC LAW that proves he is correct. No matter what B says or thinks, it doesn’t matter, because SCIENCE proves as a LAW that A is correct. Any society that tries to become what B wants WILL fail – there’s absolutely no uncertainty whatsoever. Even B trying to make arguments is a waste of time, because the arguments are futile and irrelevant. Over time, A doesn’t have to do anything, A will simply be proven right in the end no matter how anyone tries to disagree or stop him.
Where is the mathematical proof? No, A doesn’t have mathematic proof, but A claims it is LOGICALLY absolutely 100% correct. A logical law based on rhetorical constructions that says all societies can, will and must eventually stop private car sales, and that it’s impossible for anything else to happen. Any kind of resistance or counterargument is futile. Whereas B is uncertain, weak, doesn’t know for sure, which shows how poor his position is – A IS absolutely certain.
Any person who acted like A would be considered some kind of deranged person who combined narcissism with various mental illnesses and a lack of manners. They would be banned from any sane discussion forum.
His “stepwise” conception of communism was also tailor-made for complete psychopaths.
He planned for an orgy of violence – a totalitarian bloodbath, as people worked to enact the communism he wanted.
On the face of it, someone calling for this level of death would be considered alongside the greatest monsters of history.
BUT he had a solution – after the total power, the massacres, the end of democracy ….
oh yeah, after his likeminded bathed in blood, they would simply give away power freely, end all totalitarianism, become nice and good, start farming or something. Despite every lesson of history showing this was extremely unlikely.
In this way, he could style himself as a proponent of peace, nature, farming, instead of the totalitarian bloodbath immediately before.
Person A creates a theory people must undertake a series of massacres and bombings, and afterwards society can do something really important – design very aerodynamic trains. Therefore, A is styled by fellow trolls as a “proponent of very aerodynamic trains”. A train enthusiast. Truly the most exquisite of trolls.
pox123456 on
You can oppose communism and (rightfully) hate USSR. But also accept the fact that after 50 years of USSR oppression, there was some Poland left that could break free.
If it was 50 years of Nazi occupation, there would not be any Poland left nor Poles that could break free. Final solution was not targeted only against Jews, once they were exterminated, all slavs would be the main target and 50 years is enough time to fully erase any Poles, Czechs and others from their Reich.
JasnahsFeet on
Yes. These specific communists were in practice quite similar to nazis, in regards to all those things you’ve listed, which are also a thing in America. So in conclusion, capitalists, nazis and communists and exactly the same.
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“Yeah but REAL communism has never been tried!!!!!”
Every “communist” regime in the history of humanity fit the description in this meme, so that point is irrelevant and should be disregarded.
“Yeah but that means REAL communism could work!!!!!”
Statelessness, classnessness, common ownership and moneylessness can work. The caveat is that it all falls flat the moment someone (e.g. a big enough rebellious organization, or a foreign invader) tries to take control, at which point you return to an authoritarian state which lacks laws to ensure private rights. tl;dr: it only works if the entire world cooperates, which will never happen.
The main difference between nazi and Soviet Union is that nazis targeted other countries while Soviets (mainly) targeted their own people
And that’s exactly why in Poland we hate both equally, and promoting either of them is prohibited by law.
Les Podervianskyi said exactly the same thing. He described Russian ideology as “Pussy nazism” (Сцикливий нацизм) as they are afraid to acknowledge they’re nazis.
not all communists are soviets tho
What does this even have to do with poland
But you know that not every communist is stalinist and fan of soviet union right, lmao. If somebody says that Marx had some good points it dont mean that he like pol pot.
This. I get so annoyed when I see Westerners romanticize communism. My parents who actually grew up with it would like a word…
All of these fits for interwar Poland as well so that’s not an ownage you think it is lol
Another pole not understanding what communism is. Not surprising
A.) Wrong
B.) Genuine Nazi apologia to pretend that they are not in denial about the evil of their ideology
Most of the points on the left apply to our ultra-capitalist, democraticaly voted goverments 😬 And the rest would too, if there would be a space for it in our country(Slovakia). So I guess none of the systems is really immune to that?
I mean, I agree, but a lot of people on the internet don’t understand that Communism and Socialism are two diffrent things, and most self-proclaimed “Communists” don’t support what actual Communism is, and actually the stuff they’re talking about fits into Democratic Socialism.
Important thing to know, is that Socialism is, in it’s core, a really good ideology, becouse it’s basicly just “Hey, lets be equal”. Buy, the problem always lies in the execution, with 90% of the time is, really shit.
Anyway, yeah, historically, communism was really bad.
The right pic should say “Same as Nazi, but they call every victim a Nazi”.
Fuck Russia
Same in Croatia…
Communism is a system which is basically incompatible with human nature. People should be treated equally by law, but are not equal. People have different potentials, some are vulnerable and need extra care, majority will live just right and some will make live better for themselves and others.
There is nothing wrong with wealth, unless actions of wealthy individual negatively impact others.
That is why social-democracy, with free market, yet regulated by state is the ultimate solution.
libek sie zesral
Totalitarian regimes often have several key things in common, similar to religion
– There is always a text of doctrine (Bible, Mein Kampf, Mao, Lenin’s work etc)
– There is always an enforcer (Spanish Inquisition, Gestapo, KGB etc)
– There is always an enemy that must be persecuted endlessly to extinction, often they consist of one or more minority groups (heretics, ‘***enemies*** of the people’ etc)
This is true with one caveat – as soon as you start claiming that unemployment benefits are communist, your opinion should be discarded with the rules of reductio ad Hitlerum.
There were no concentration camps in the USSR. And communism is not against democracy. You call propaganda takes as “facts”
Communism has shown itself to be a lie not to mention they say they are helpful
How many downvotes on r/Polska?
The big difference is that Nazis lost the war, so very one agreed on the story.
Meanwhile communists “helped” USA and they had nukes.
This is precisely why I consider commies a bigger danger and overall, worse system. Nazism is so transparent on its flaws, its precisely used as a synonymous word to evil, wrong-doing, and so on. Like, even merely showing an inkling of sympathy towards it, makes you a bad guy and people wanting to distance themselves from you.
Commies on the other hand? They managed to brainwash entire world about how this ground of poverty and obscene human abuse is apparently an innocent fix to our all problems!
Both suck though and its apologists are bunch of, at best, edgelord teenagers, or worst, dangerous maniacs that can have blood on their hands.
they were not strong enough to fight it down so they fall in it for years, decreasing their progress in any comparable aspect and now they say it was great to have communism.. lol
As some one who loves learning about Poland because it’s my heritage
I hate to say it but Poland was pretty authoritarian and undemocratic in the 30’s
Stalinists, yeah. Marxists? quite the opposite.
Why is this such a difficult concept to grasp?
Thanks, I know a LOT of people I can send this to
First lost the war, second won. That’s reason for that different narrative. What is more fucked up that there are also some good things that those oppresive systems did, which no one will talk about.
“Nazis and communists are the same, I’m such a big-brained boy.”
Grow up and remember which one of those groups murdered millions of your countrypeople, looted the shit out of your country, and carried out mass destruction of your villages, towns and cities.
No one is saying communism was good for Poland; Nazism was simply much much worse.
They are ultimately just the different faces of totalitarianism.
Karl Marx was troll on par with the worst 4chan trolls that have lived.
In real life he was a complete psychopath – living like a parasite, treating people like complete shit.
If you take a real look at his methods of argument:
Let’s say two people are in a discussion about something. Person A says we should strongly discourage private car ownership. Person B says we should instead encourage it. They both make references to economics, resources, feelings, culture to support their point.
Person A then claims: it is a SCIENTIFIC LAW that proves he is correct. No matter what B says or thinks, it doesn’t matter, because SCIENCE proves as a LAW that A is correct. Any society that tries to become what B wants WILL fail – there’s absolutely no uncertainty whatsoever. Even B trying to make arguments is a waste of time, because the arguments are futile and irrelevant. Over time, A doesn’t have to do anything, A will simply be proven right in the end no matter how anyone tries to disagree or stop him.
Where is the mathematical proof? No, A doesn’t have mathematic proof, but A claims it is LOGICALLY absolutely 100% correct. A logical law based on rhetorical constructions that says all societies can, will and must eventually stop private car sales, and that it’s impossible for anything else to happen. Any kind of resistance or counterargument is futile. Whereas B is uncertain, weak, doesn’t know for sure, which shows how poor his position is – A IS absolutely certain.
Any person who acted like A would be considered some kind of deranged person who combined narcissism with various mental illnesses and a lack of manners. They would be banned from any sane discussion forum.
His “stepwise” conception of communism was also tailor-made for complete psychopaths.
He planned for an orgy of violence – a totalitarian bloodbath, as people worked to enact the communism he wanted.
On the face of it, someone calling for this level of death would be considered alongside the greatest monsters of history.
BUT he had a solution – after the total power, the massacres, the end of democracy ….
oh yeah, after his likeminded bathed in blood, they would simply give away power freely, end all totalitarianism, become nice and good, start farming or something. Despite every lesson of history showing this was extremely unlikely.
In this way, he could style himself as a proponent of peace, nature, farming, instead of the totalitarian bloodbath immediately before.
Person A creates a theory people must undertake a series of massacres and bombings, and afterwards society can do something really important – design very aerodynamic trains. Therefore, A is styled by fellow trolls as a “proponent of very aerodynamic trains”. A train enthusiast. Truly the most exquisite of trolls.
You can oppose communism and (rightfully) hate USSR. But also accept the fact that after 50 years of USSR oppression, there was some Poland left that could break free.
If it was 50 years of Nazi occupation, there would not be any Poland left nor Poles that could break free. Final solution was not targeted only against Jews, once they were exterminated, all slavs would be the main target and 50 years is enough time to fully erase any Poles, Czechs and others from their Reich.
Yes. These specific communists were in practice quite similar to nazis, in regards to all those things you’ve listed, which are also a thing in America. So in conclusion, capitalists, nazis and communists and exactly the same.