Like all medicine, unless there’s a cost issue what’s the question?.
srirachauv on
I healed my CPTSD from it. I’d always recommend personally unless someone is dumb and irresponsible
ScaryEmployer on
so the 1st person was prescibed it under medical supervision and had a good experience. But the 2nd person took ‘LSD’ recreationally years ago when he was 18 and had a bad trip, umm, how is that a valid comparison lol, the bbc are batshit putting this story out.
-MrSimpleton- on
As a nutter, I’d rather have them than the pills. Unless they too cause long lasting side effects
klepto_entropoid on
LSD was used in psychiatry and psychotherapy for decades. It may be surprising to hear but it was found to be most effective in treating alcoholism..
StreamWave190 on
I’m anti-legalising drugs for the public, but I’m completely fine with prescription distribution of certain drugs where there is good scientific evidence to suggest they can help people with various illnesses, diseases, or conditions.
I don’t think you should just be able to buy cannabis from a shop on your high street and then light it up on the kerb, but some form of medicinal marijuana from a licensed pharmacist for a cancer patient is fine with me, for example.
I believe there’s also some good evidence that small quantities of LSD can also be helpful for some conditions and patients as well.
kun92sul on
Well they’re outsourcing mental health care to churches, community groups and anything else they can think of, so why not.
abyssal-isopod86 on
If it helps then absolutely.
If it does not then no.
Some trials have found that a single dose of psilocybin can act as an antidepressant for up to six months for some people.
Personally if that works that way from me, you’re damn right I want to take it.
One_Anteater_9234 on
Yeah but shouldn’t be dr supervised. Ruins it tbh. Sanitiser experienceÂ
Dismal_Fox_22 on
Mental ill health maybe. But that’s really quite vague. For the conditions that it has been proven to work for then absolutely. It is negligent not to.
AdHot6995 on
Going out on a limb here but if you give people with mental health problems some mdma or mushrooms and send them to a club/ a festival with some friends or other people with music they like I think it might help them.
Not really sure about this mental health epidemic either, if you earn an average wage in the UK which is what 35K, why wouldn’t you have mental health problems, you can barely do anything, life must be pretty rubbish in the UK, you can’t even treat yourself to nice food or put the heating on.
mrginge94 on
Personally completely solved an addiction issue with one application of psilocybin at home without professional guidance.
The possibilities for that compound in combination with psychiatric professionals guiding the process could be limitless. It absolutely could be life changing for a large proportion of society.
kiwigothic on
More pointless moral panic, unless you’re an expert in the field you shouldn’t even be asking or answering the question because you have nothing useful to offer.
jasovanooo on
hell yeah they should. solved a load of my problems
Dissidant on
If it actually found to work, its under supervision and controlled, go for it
Treating mental health isn’t one shoe fits all nomatter how eager they are to blanket prescribe SRIs
Not knocking the latter, just that while they work for some, others respond better to different stimulae
Some get on with standard medication, some with targeted therapy/cbt, and it wouldn’t surprise me if this turned out to work as well
ISB-Dev on
They should do whatever the evidence says will work best in each individual instance.
Petcai on
All I know is that the rates of mental issues and depression in young people are much higher now than when magic mushrooms are semi-legal.
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Revolutionary-Mode75 on
Yes in clincial enviroment, using delivery methods and treatement protocols that has been validated by clinical trial data. Given that none of these are patentable, it will probably be up to the NHS and the government to fund these large scale trials.
Not sure Jules Evans adds anything to the debate, we have known for years that pschodelics recreational purpose can be harmful, recently with cannibis an others we have discover their a genetic component to this as well I believe, at least for cannibis, so developing a way to screen patients that suitable should be possible with enough funding and research.
I don’t believe anyone is running trials using them anywhere near the dosages use by recreational users.
I think the real problem is that many of the efforts to get these drugs into the medicine, is dress up as way to make them legal for recreational use, this is especially the case for cannibis.
iHetty on
I imagine all this would be administered through
Microdosing programmes as well as other treatment at the same time.
I.e microdose and following a productive daily routine over a couple of months.
NOT devouring 8 grams of raw cubensis.
Edit: interestingly when I was living in Canada and attending cognitive behavioural therapy sessions I asked my counsellor about microdosing and she said there was plenty of medical research out there suggesting it was an effective treatment, the only issue is sourcing and measuring suitable doses.
HussingtonHat on
Getting some patients to trip some balls has seen pretty good results over a fairly wide range of mental stuff across the world. I think there was another one that basically molly’d up dementia patients and it had pretty surprisingly good results.
Nozorel on
Yes, if it helps getting our workforce back. At least they can be on Zhroom.
FutilePenguins on
Psilocybin is known to have the same effects as antidepressants without the physical side effects, so yes, yes they should
Fine_Analyst_4408 on
I resolved a lot of trauma through a few magic mushroom trips. My last trip I cried for 8 hours straight, which sounds like a bad thing but I felt so much better afterwards. Haven’t needed a trip since.
YoukanDewitt on
I don’t understand the problem, is it because it’s not manufactured?
Bayer invented heroin to be a less addictive opioid, it didn’t go that well.
If a substance has a therapeutic benefit as is administered in a controlled manner, then it can be useful, regardless of the source.
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If it helps then yeah.
If it doesn’t then no.
Like all medicine, unless there’s a cost issue what’s the question?.
I healed my CPTSD from it. I’d always recommend personally unless someone is dumb and irresponsible
so the 1st person was prescibed it under medical supervision and had a good experience. But the 2nd person took ‘LSD’ recreationally years ago when he was 18 and had a bad trip, umm, how is that a valid comparison lol, the bbc are batshit putting this story out.
As a nutter, I’d rather have them than the pills. Unless they too cause long lasting side effects
LSD was used in psychiatry and psychotherapy for decades. It may be surprising to hear but it was found to be most effective in treating alcoholism..
I’m anti-legalising drugs for the public, but I’m completely fine with prescription distribution of certain drugs where there is good scientific evidence to suggest they can help people with various illnesses, diseases, or conditions.
I don’t think you should just be able to buy cannabis from a shop on your high street and then light it up on the kerb, but some form of medicinal marijuana from a licensed pharmacist for a cancer patient is fine with me, for example.
I believe there’s also some good evidence that small quantities of LSD can also be helpful for some conditions and patients as well.
Well they’re outsourcing mental health care to churches, community groups and anything else they can think of, so why not.
If it helps then absolutely.
If it does not then no.
Some trials have found that a single dose of psilocybin can act as an antidepressant for up to six months for some people.
Personally if that works that way from me, you’re damn right I want to take it.
Yeah but shouldn’t be dr supervised. Ruins it tbh. Sanitiser experienceÂ
Mental ill health maybe. But that’s really quite vague. For the conditions that it has been proven to work for then absolutely. It is negligent not to.
Going out on a limb here but if you give people with mental health problems some mdma or mushrooms and send them to a club/ a festival with some friends or other people with music they like I think it might help them.
Not really sure about this mental health epidemic either, if you earn an average wage in the UK which is what 35K, why wouldn’t you have mental health problems, you can barely do anything, life must be pretty rubbish in the UK, you can’t even treat yourself to nice food or put the heating on.
Personally completely solved an addiction issue with one application of psilocybin at home without professional guidance.
The possibilities for that compound in combination with psychiatric professionals guiding the process could be limitless. It absolutely could be life changing for a large proportion of society.
More pointless moral panic, unless you’re an expert in the field you shouldn’t even be asking or answering the question because you have nothing useful to offer.
hell yeah they should. solved a load of my problems
If it actually found to work, its under supervision and controlled, go for it
Treating mental health isn’t one shoe fits all nomatter how eager they are to blanket prescribe SRIs
Not knocking the latter, just that while they work for some, others respond better to different stimulae
Some get on with standard medication, some with targeted therapy/cbt, and it wouldn’t surprise me if this turned out to work as well
They should do whatever the evidence says will work best in each individual instance.
All I know is that the rates of mental issues and depression in young people are much higher now than when magic mushrooms are semi-legal.
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Yes in clincial enviroment, using delivery methods and treatement protocols that has been validated by clinical trial data. Given that none of these are patentable, it will probably be up to the NHS and the government to fund these large scale trials.
Not sure Jules Evans adds anything to the debate, we have known for years that pschodelics recreational purpose can be harmful, recently with cannibis an others we have discover their a genetic component to this as well I believe, at least for cannibis, so developing a way to screen patients that suitable should be possible with enough funding and research.
I don’t believe anyone is running trials using them anywhere near the dosages use by recreational users.
I think the real problem is that many of the efforts to get these drugs into the medicine, is dress up as way to make them legal for recreational use, this is especially the case for cannibis.
I imagine all this would be administered through
Microdosing programmes as well as other treatment at the same time.
I.e microdose and following a productive daily routine over a couple of months.
NOT devouring 8 grams of raw cubensis.
Edit: interestingly when I was living in Canada and attending cognitive behavioural therapy sessions I asked my counsellor about microdosing and she said there was plenty of medical research out there suggesting it was an effective treatment, the only issue is sourcing and measuring suitable doses.
Getting some patients to trip some balls has seen pretty good results over a fairly wide range of mental stuff across the world. I think there was another one that basically molly’d up dementia patients and it had pretty surprisingly good results.
Yes, if it helps getting our workforce back. At least they can be on Zhroom.
Psilocybin is known to have the same effects as antidepressants without the physical side effects, so yes, yes they should
I resolved a lot of trauma through a few magic mushroom trips. My last trip I cried for 8 hours straight, which sounds like a bad thing but I felt so much better afterwards. Haven’t needed a trip since.
I don’t understand the problem, is it because it’s not manufactured?
Bayer invented heroin to be a less addictive opioid, it didn’t go that well.
If a substance has a therapeutic benefit as is administered in a controlled manner, then it can be useful, regardless of the source.