If a job can be done reliably at home I see no need to make people go to the office.
RedditBrowserToronto on
I hate this and I can’t work from home. Keep people off the roads
Pale_Change_666 on
It’s always about propping up commercial R/E value, “productivity” is just a smoke screen.
netflixnailedit on
Going up to 5 days a week in downtown Ottawa with terrible transit + years long wait lists for monthly parking passes = an extra $200 easily just in parking fees alone. Guess my New Year’s resolution will be learning to bike 30km one way to work to save some money.
CenturyBreak on
This govt is such clowns
BabadookOfEarl on
We have solutions to the problems we face and governments of all stripes refuse them.
jcbeans6 on
Imagine how nice the traffic would be if more people worked from home.
Puzzleheaded_Tea413 on
And that’s how rush hour chaos begun.
cre8ivjay on
If you needed more convincing that the big bad corporate world sees you as nothing more than a number, this is it.
freezymcgeezy on
This is actually deranged.
Who wants this aside from some downtown developers?
blindbrolly on
As per usual the media does zero research on the massive cost of this:
the purse strings of government just “coincidentally” opened 30 days after being openly lobbied by private businesses asking to the subsidized by the government:
This is wide scale government fraud. Simple as that. The government is asking people to slow down in the office, do less work(they officially removed productivity and costs savings from their remote work exemption list and refuse to review productivity) so they can give billions of dollars to specific wealthy business owners.
Tylersbaddream on
The government can’t possibly say we have environmental objectives if they make people travel back to offices.
IndependenceGood1835 on
God forbid working people can have increased work life balance and a few extra dollars in their bank account. This just proves we only exist to spend money. Buy that coffee! Pay for daily transit!
RealistAttempt87 on
Let’s remember employees are not asking to be at home five days a week, they’re asking for flexibility (typically two days at home, three days in the office). Nothing that can be done by being in the office full-time (mentoring, meetings, collaboration) can’t also be done in the office three days a week.
john_pistachio on
I don’t know why people don’t come out on the streets. This is a pathetic attempt at making the rich more rich at the cost of keeping everyone else pay check to pay check.
ripndipp on
Next Canadian leader that campaigns on work from home
htom3heb on
The goal of this is to have a layoff without calling it a layoff (and paying out severance) – we have seen this repeatedly in the private sector the past couple of years.
PastaPandaSimon on
The same government that pretends to care about fighting climate change and housing crisis, requires people to live in the city, and have a car they are required to use daily to drive their laptop to an unnecessary office building paid for with our taxes.
You can maximize damage to the environment, increase real estate cost pressure, waste badly needed taxpayer money, AND make your staff unhappy in one swift move.
vampiretrunkz on
The closest person from my team is 1800km away. Forcing me to work in an office with people that I will never need to interact with makes no sense.
Cole_Evyx on
This is going to help the environment how? We have a liberal government and apparently carbon matters to Mark Carney and yet one of the LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO CARBON EMISSIONS is being forced? Make it make sense. This is antithetical to any climate change ideology. MYSELF as someone who DOES care about the climate this is such a bitter disappointment. Absolute nonsensical waste and causing unnecessary damage to our climate that Mark Carney himself said in “Values” mattered. Guess not that much HUH?
In CANADA at least I thought environment was something that mattered– YOLO THROW THAT OUT THE WINDOW? Jobs that can clearly be done at home are now going to require excess carbon usage.
Awesome! We get guilt tripped into carbon taxes and more and meanwhile the same people wagging their finger at us about CARBON are also DEMANDING MORE CARBON PRODUCTION!
This is mind blowing. The amount of time people spend in traffic LITERALLY USING FOSSIL FUELS is abhorrent. Those “long commute times” translate to CARBON.
**GUESS WHAT COMES OUT THE BACK OF THE CARS? EXHAUST. Every single minute one car is on the road it is contributing to the destruction of our environment.** Not to mention in these freezing temperatures we also need to heat those cars. MORE carbon.
This is sheer unadulterated hypocrisy.
A part of me did hope Mark Carney stuck to his values for the environment and yet here we are both making people miserable AND causing unnecessary damage to the environment in one fell swing. This is deplorable.
**As someone who DOES care about the environment this was one of the EASIEST WAYS to reduce PERSONAL CARBON EMISSIONS.** And you went and you messed it up. You went and messed up the EASY WIN!
I can see his book “Values” is just more BS. This doesn’t align with what anyone who cares about the climate would want. This is throwing the easiest way to reduce personal carbon footprint of people into the fire. Amping up their emissions significantly. “Values” my HINDQUARTERS.
mightyboink on
Sounds like it’s time to either unionize or put pressure on the unions to strike. I know the contracts are tricky and there are legalities, but this is ridiculous.
Drayenn on
This is such a monumental fail. Massive loss of quality of life, having to spend for office spaces, less competitive than remote roles, and a massive failure on whats an easy mega win for climate change.
I hate it so much.
BlueAces2002 on
Wow the fact that a liberal govt is doing this is really bad.
BillSull73 on
Average costs for workers coming back to the office is about 12-15k per year factoring in various things. People are going to have way less money to spend on important things.Â
WeirdRead on
Quality of life in Canada has declined drastically since Covid. Pay good salaries or give office workers this one little repreive from what is becoming an increasingly soul draining lifestyle. We have learned a lot about mental health since the 1950s so let’s stop following working conventions from a time where the only telecommunation device was a telephone.
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If a job can be done reliably at home I see no need to make people go to the office.
I hate this and I can’t work from home. Keep people off the roads
It’s always about propping up commercial R/E value, “productivity” is just a smoke screen.
Going up to 5 days a week in downtown Ottawa with terrible transit + years long wait lists for monthly parking passes = an extra $200 easily just in parking fees alone. Guess my New Year’s resolution will be learning to bike 30km one way to work to save some money.
This govt is such clowns
We have solutions to the problems we face and governments of all stripes refuse them.
Imagine how nice the traffic would be if more people worked from home.
And that’s how rush hour chaos begun.
If you needed more convincing that the big bad corporate world sees you as nothing more than a number, this is it.
This is actually deranged.
Who wants this aside from some downtown developers?
As per usual the media does zero research on the massive cost of this:
1.5 billion in renovating a single building:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/the-1-5-billion-renovation-of-ontario-s-civil-service-headquarters-is-over-budget-and/article_d60ada7f-994a-4426-a833-c53f4e1dcbb1.html
$300 million on a single lease:
https://www.thestar.com/business/canada-pension-plan-investment-board-to-spend-estimated-300-million-plus-on-its-lavish-new/article_aa66dab4-63ab-11ef-87d1-0b24bd9c1bea.html
20:05:00 timestamp – the PSPC spends 2.2 billion every year on 6million sq feet of office space and 1 million square feet of warehousing:
https://senparlvu.parl.gc.ca/Harmony/en/PowerBrowser/PowerBrowserV2?fk=637484&globalStreamId=3&fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0t62-cCMhXnNUgxrO7iG5wt5S8pE2NaHXUH3fo9AaJax8IMg-BGLNNDUo_aem_AU4JTN3XmQGc91aFtzlW0ZD6FfrsQryHX-RuhNcAIAN5bVRe2FPibPc_RlMAWoQN-X53iv4EewNIE-hmJKlmZPy_#in
14million already spent on a new CRA office building in NL without a shovel in the ground. Once work is complete 50 to 100 million:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/new-cra-building-update-1.7085028
this is only a random redditor doing bare minimum google searches. there are countless other costs with leases being bought with no media coverage.
Not only would this save billions but they already now they could create 50,000 homes converting these buildings while saving money:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-federal-office-buildings-apartments/
This money was spent with no cost benefit analysis by the government as proven by ATIPs:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/remote-work-office-government-1.7332191
the purse strings of government just “coincidentally” opened 30 days after being openly lobbied by private businesses asking to the subsidized by the government:
https://chamber.ca/news/its-time-for-governments-to-bring-public-sector-employees-back-to-the-office-a-letter-from-canadas-business-community/?doing_wp_cron=1767374626.5591859817504882812500
This is wide scale government fraud. Simple as that. The government is asking people to slow down in the office, do less work(they officially removed productivity and costs savings from their remote work exemption list and refuse to review productivity) so they can give billions of dollars to specific wealthy business owners.
The government can’t possibly say we have environmental objectives if they make people travel back to offices.
God forbid working people can have increased work life balance and a few extra dollars in their bank account. This just proves we only exist to spend money. Buy that coffee! Pay for daily transit!
Let’s remember employees are not asking to be at home five days a week, they’re asking for flexibility (typically two days at home, three days in the office). Nothing that can be done by being in the office full-time (mentoring, meetings, collaboration) can’t also be done in the office three days a week.
I don’t know why people don’t come out on the streets. This is a pathetic attempt at making the rich more rich at the cost of keeping everyone else pay check to pay check.
Next Canadian leader that campaigns on work from home
The goal of this is to have a layoff without calling it a layoff (and paying out severance) – we have seen this repeatedly in the private sector the past couple of years.
The same government that pretends to care about fighting climate change and housing crisis, requires people to live in the city, and have a car they are required to use daily to drive their laptop to an unnecessary office building paid for with our taxes.
You can maximize damage to the environment, increase real estate cost pressure, waste badly needed taxpayer money, AND make your staff unhappy in one swift move.
The closest person from my team is 1800km away. Forcing me to work in an office with people that I will never need to interact with makes no sense.
This is going to help the environment how? We have a liberal government and apparently carbon matters to Mark Carney and yet one of the LARGEST CONTRIBUTORS TO CARBON EMISSIONS is being forced? Make it make sense. This is antithetical to any climate change ideology. MYSELF as someone who DOES care about the climate this is such a bitter disappointment. Absolute nonsensical waste and causing unnecessary damage to our climate that Mark Carney himself said in “Values” mattered. Guess not that much HUH?
In CANADA at least I thought environment was something that mattered– YOLO THROW THAT OUT THE WINDOW? Jobs that can clearly be done at home are now going to require excess carbon usage.
Awesome! We get guilt tripped into carbon taxes and more and meanwhile the same people wagging their finger at us about CARBON are also DEMANDING MORE CARBON PRODUCTION!
This is mind blowing. The amount of time people spend in traffic LITERALLY USING FOSSIL FUELS is abhorrent. Those “long commute times” translate to CARBON.
**GUESS WHAT COMES OUT THE BACK OF THE CARS? EXHAUST. Every single minute one car is on the road it is contributing to the destruction of our environment.** Not to mention in these freezing temperatures we also need to heat those cars. MORE carbon.
This is sheer unadulterated hypocrisy.
A part of me did hope Mark Carney stuck to his values for the environment and yet here we are both making people miserable AND causing unnecessary damage to the environment in one fell swing. This is deplorable.
**As someone who DOES care about the environment this was one of the EASIEST WAYS to reduce PERSONAL CARBON EMISSIONS.** And you went and you messed it up. You went and messed up the EASY WIN!
I can see his book “Values” is just more BS. This doesn’t align with what anyone who cares about the climate would want. This is throwing the easiest way to reduce personal carbon footprint of people into the fire. Amping up their emissions significantly. “Values” my HINDQUARTERS.
Sounds like it’s time to either unionize or put pressure on the unions to strike. I know the contracts are tricky and there are legalities, but this is ridiculous.
This is such a monumental fail. Massive loss of quality of life, having to spend for office spaces, less competitive than remote roles, and a massive failure on whats an easy mega win for climate change.
I hate it so much.
Wow the fact that a liberal govt is doing this is really bad.
Average costs for workers coming back to the office is about 12-15k per year factoring in various things. People are going to have way less money to spend on important things.Â
Quality of life in Canada has declined drastically since Covid. Pay good salaries or give office workers this one little repreive from what is becoming an increasingly soul draining lifestyle. We have learned a lot about mental health since the 1950s so let’s stop following working conventions from a time where the only telecommunation device was a telephone.