Ok so the US and Russia get everything they want if the US invades Greenland?
gentleman_bronco on
Ending NATO is 100%, a Putin assignment tasked to Trump.
bobish01 on
Invading something you already own through Pax Americana. So incredibly stupid.
culture_vulture_1961 on
The consequences of Trump taking Greenland would be of an order of magnitude worse than anything he does in South America. Greenland is a territory of Denmark, a stable democratic country that is a member of the EU and NATO.
Of course Trump could seize it in an afternoon and there is nothing anyone could do about it. However the consequences for American relations with Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand would be devastating. The US would be very much alone in the world and when China or Iran kicks off they will have no allies.
The MAGA crowd may think that does not matter. But as we enter a multi-polar world order where China and India are big players and America is getting weaker they may find out that America First becomes America Alone and Europe turns its back when they ask for help.
One-Engineering-4505 on
Didn’t Trump openly say he wanted an end to NATO already? This seems like its very intended.
Wizchine on
The right has always hated international alliances and everything that comes with it: compromise, diplomacy, and give-and-take. They want to rule America as a single party, and want to rule the world as a single nation. Stupid.
rarz on
The US taking Greenland would be an incredibly shortsighted and damaging action. It would indeed kill NATO, it would also make the EU hostile to the USA. That may not sound very scary, but without the EU, the USA has no market left to sell to. Stuff like copyright and patents owned by US companies would be broken open and recreated – it would be devastating to the US economy if the EU pivoted to say, China. ASML might suddenly be forbidden from selling machines to the US – instead of China. Just to suggest a few repercussions.
Honestly, it would be a move so incredibly dumb it is painful to even consider it.
RadicalOrganizer on
Seems theres two players who really want NATO ended. Trump and Putin. Crazy how trump keeps helping russia out.
Rincetron1 on
I’ve been losing my focus recently, half of the time these headlines seem like a fever dream. Surely there’s someone in charge who’s trying their best not to light the world on fire? When did everything become so dumb? Was it always this dumb? I get mortified when I say the wrong thing at a meeting. But the orange man is saying skin-crawlingly idiotic things daily, and he’s doing fine. How come he gets to be fine?
m1ndfuck on
If this happens any country should just get rid of us bonds. We will see how this turns out when the military is not paid anymore.
YarmouthSnek on
The consequences of an American invasion of Greenland would be enormous.
No one doubts that American can secure the territory easily. However, the diplomatic and economic fallout may bankrupt the country.
If the invasion occurs on an actual American ally, it may cause other American allies to rethink their relationship with America financially. Imagine the biggest holders of US bonds, mostly US allies, all started dumping it because they are concerned they may get invaded next. If the US bond becomes worthless, America will quite literally become bankrupt overnight. The financial fallout will cripple the US economy far beyond the current mess that they are in, likely far more crippling than anything they have ever experienced.
I am optimistic he will not make an actual move on Greenland from a military perspective, because it will likely be too ruinous to do so. I am still convinced that this is the easiest and least painful way to distract from Epstein. With this new crazy shit in the news cycle, he can buy time for Bondi to camouflage the Epstein child diddling evidence against him.
Praying for blood clot 2026
n0rsk on
I hate what my country has become. We have lost so much in the last decade because of this Orange Fascist. I hear the echoes of WW2 and I know my country will be the bad guy when things kick off.
The majority of my fellow Americans either don’t care or are so brain rotted they are cheering it on.
Just depressing to know how much lost potential, how much harm we are and will cause, and how powerless I feel to stop it.
Nick_Strong on
“If you invade Greenland, NATO is dead.” That’s not the deterrent the Danish PM thinks it is. If Denmark and the EU really want to deter Trump, they should tell him they will stop buying US debt.
fixminer on
Having American bases on European territory is becoming more and more of a security risk. We have to consider expelling them.
Severe_Intention_480 on
Taking Greenland (and maybe even Iceland) would seriously fuck Canada’s Atlantic trade (and military) routes to and from Europe, wouldn’t it?
Britain preemptively invaded and occupied Iceland during World War II for a reason. They later handed the occupation over to the USA, who occupied it until the end of the war.
Any thoughts?
Zombie_John_Strachan on
I am increasingly of the view that Canada needs to develop its own nuclear deterrance program.
Decimerusi on
Problem is we are negotiating from a position of weakness and it is glaringly obvious.
If nothing else, Trump is opening our eyes – finally – that norms and rules and values and ideals mean absolutely nothing if you do not have the capacity to enforce these.
If you do not muster the ability to physically defend your own interests and fight hard, it will not be long until someone comes along who doesn’t care for those interests and who will take what they deem should be theirs, rightfully or not.
In the rearview mirror the naivety of many Europeans about the world around them is almost laughable. So many were looking at 3000+ years of human history thinking “surely this time’s different!”. Worse even, we trusted a country 3000km away to have our interests at heart, more than our own direct neighbours. The delusion was and is a form of insanity.
Devils_Advocate-69 on
Trump’s end would be preferable
Poddington_Pea on
The world is going to look very different when this is all over, for good or bad. We’re living through a huge moment in history right now. Either everything ends in nuclear fire, or every global alliance as we know it will dissolve and be replaced with an entirely new world order.
expatcanadaBC on
Canada has been quietly and carefully signing trade and military deals with Europe, Mexico, China and others to reduce and bypass US control and US tariff instability. GM, Toyota and other large companies have committed to building new plants in Canada, not the US, because they need stable trading partners. There is a collective global movement to reduce US financial and trade control and form a more stable global system. The US can invade in the short term, but holding onto power in other countries would be very damaging over a long period. Who knows how it all ends; however, there’s a lot of big decision-making going on behind the scenes.
Conscious_Candle2598 on
Do Americans not care about this? They should be ripping Trump out.
How the hell can you be okay with this?!
vwf1971 on
The end of the USA Nato. Europe would form their own alliance.
Altruistic-Coyote868 on
Time to kick all American military off of EU soil.
Termin8tor on
Something to bear in mind here, the U.S. isn’t stupid.
They know a war of their own making is coming, so their opening move wouldn’t be in Greenland. It would be securing energy. Since Middle Eastern oil is off the table, they’d likely preemptively seize Venezuela and Canada, either militarily or via coercion to secure reserves closer to home. Sound familiar?
Europe and China wouldn’t respond with troops, they can’t. Instead, they’d go for the economic jugular. They dump U.S. treasuries and, critically, ASML lithography machines would no longer be available to U.S companies. The software can be remotely disabled.
Overnight, American manufacturing is fubar. The dollar hyper inflates as the rest of the world pivots to a petro-yuan, and suddenly the average person is living in Weimar Germany conditions.
That chaos is actually perfect for the leadership. They use the “war” to suspend elections and cement a family dynasty, relying on a militarized DHS and three letter agencies to keep order while people are too busy panicking over breadlines and the end of tiktok to revolt. That’s fine though because all the tech leaders in America signed up for it early on. They were all there at the inauguration.
The end result? The U.S. becomes a pariah state. “Fortress America” holding onto Greenland and the Americas by force, but cut off from global tech, finance and trade. Europe survives by making backroom deals with Russia and China, and the U.S. is left ruling over a collapsed, totalitarian and isolated empire.
evilpercy on
Frump is threatening “Annexation” of two NATO nations. We need a new alliance without the Rouge nation of USA. To protect democracy.
PeppermintNightmare on
I love America, but if you guys actually invade a peaceful allied nation like Greenland I feel like that will be the red line for other Western Nations. You will officially be an enemy nation, which is something I never thought I would say and it makes me incredibly sad. My advice to Americans who appear to be frogs in a pot, either unite and stop the madness or get out while you can, this is going to go downhill rapidly.
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Ok so the US and Russia get everything they want if the US invades Greenland?
Ending NATO is 100%, a Putin assignment tasked to Trump.
Invading something you already own through Pax Americana. So incredibly stupid.
The consequences of Trump taking Greenland would be of an order of magnitude worse than anything he does in South America. Greenland is a territory of Denmark, a stable democratic country that is a member of the EU and NATO.
Of course Trump could seize it in an afternoon and there is nothing anyone could do about it. However the consequences for American relations with Canada, Europe, Australia and New Zealand would be devastating. The US would be very much alone in the world and when China or Iran kicks off they will have no allies.
The MAGA crowd may think that does not matter. But as we enter a multi-polar world order where China and India are big players and America is getting weaker they may find out that America First becomes America Alone and Europe turns its back when they ask for help.
Didn’t Trump openly say he wanted an end to NATO already? This seems like its very intended.
The right has always hated international alliances and everything that comes with it: compromise, diplomacy, and give-and-take. They want to rule America as a single party, and want to rule the world as a single nation. Stupid.
The US taking Greenland would be an incredibly shortsighted and damaging action. It would indeed kill NATO, it would also make the EU hostile to the USA. That may not sound very scary, but without the EU, the USA has no market left to sell to. Stuff like copyright and patents owned by US companies would be broken open and recreated – it would be devastating to the US economy if the EU pivoted to say, China. ASML might suddenly be forbidden from selling machines to the US – instead of China. Just to suggest a few repercussions.
Honestly, it would be a move so incredibly dumb it is painful to even consider it.
Seems theres two players who really want NATO ended. Trump and Putin. Crazy how trump keeps helping russia out.
I’ve been losing my focus recently, half of the time these headlines seem like a fever dream. Surely there’s someone in charge who’s trying their best not to light the world on fire? When did everything become so dumb? Was it always this dumb? I get mortified when I say the wrong thing at a meeting. But the orange man is saying skin-crawlingly idiotic things daily, and he’s doing fine. How come he gets to be fine?
If this happens any country should just get rid of us bonds. We will see how this turns out when the military is not paid anymore.
The consequences of an American invasion of Greenland would be enormous.
No one doubts that American can secure the territory easily. However, the diplomatic and economic fallout may bankrupt the country.
If the invasion occurs on an actual American ally, it may cause other American allies to rethink their relationship with America financially. Imagine the biggest holders of US bonds, mostly US allies, all started dumping it because they are concerned they may get invaded next. If the US bond becomes worthless, America will quite literally become bankrupt overnight. The financial fallout will cripple the US economy far beyond the current mess that they are in, likely far more crippling than anything they have ever experienced.
I am optimistic he will not make an actual move on Greenland from a military perspective, because it will likely be too ruinous to do so. I am still convinced that this is the easiest and least painful way to distract from Epstein. With this new crazy shit in the news cycle, he can buy time for Bondi to camouflage the Epstein child diddling evidence against him.
Praying for blood clot 2026
I hate what my country has become. We have lost so much in the last decade because of this Orange Fascist. I hear the echoes of WW2 and I know my country will be the bad guy when things kick off.
The majority of my fellow Americans either don’t care or are so brain rotted they are cheering it on.
Just depressing to know how much lost potential, how much harm we are and will cause, and how powerless I feel to stop it.
“If you invade Greenland, NATO is dead.” That’s not the deterrent the Danish PM thinks it is. If Denmark and the EU really want to deter Trump, they should tell him they will stop buying US debt.
Having American bases on European territory is becoming more and more of a security risk. We have to consider expelling them.
Taking Greenland (and maybe even Iceland) would seriously fuck Canada’s Atlantic trade (and military) routes to and from Europe, wouldn’t it?
Britain preemptively invaded and occupied Iceland during World War II for a reason. They later handed the occupation over to the USA, who occupied it until the end of the war.
Any thoughts?
I am increasingly of the view that Canada needs to develop its own nuclear deterrance program.
Problem is we are negotiating from a position of weakness and it is glaringly obvious.
If nothing else, Trump is opening our eyes – finally – that norms and rules and values and ideals mean absolutely nothing if you do not have the capacity to enforce these.
If you do not muster the ability to physically defend your own interests and fight hard, it will not be long until someone comes along who doesn’t care for those interests and who will take what they deem should be theirs, rightfully or not.
In the rearview mirror the naivety of many Europeans about the world around them is almost laughable. So many were looking at 3000+ years of human history thinking “surely this time’s different!”. Worse even, we trusted a country 3000km away to have our interests at heart, more than our own direct neighbours. The delusion was and is a form of insanity.
Trump’s end would be preferable
The world is going to look very different when this is all over, for good or bad. We’re living through a huge moment in history right now. Either everything ends in nuclear fire, or every global alliance as we know it will dissolve and be replaced with an entirely new world order.
Canada has been quietly and carefully signing trade and military deals with Europe, Mexico, China and others to reduce and bypass US control and US tariff instability. GM, Toyota and other large companies have committed to building new plants in Canada, not the US, because they need stable trading partners. There is a collective global movement to reduce US financial and trade control and form a more stable global system. The US can invade in the short term, but holding onto power in other countries would be very damaging over a long period. Who knows how it all ends; however, there’s a lot of big decision-making going on behind the scenes.
Do Americans not care about this? They should be ripping Trump out.
How the hell can you be okay with this?!
The end of the USA Nato. Europe would form their own alliance.
Time to kick all American military off of EU soil.
Something to bear in mind here, the U.S. isn’t stupid.
They know a war of their own making is coming, so their opening move wouldn’t be in Greenland. It would be securing energy. Since Middle Eastern oil is off the table, they’d likely preemptively seize Venezuela and Canada, either militarily or via coercion to secure reserves closer to home. Sound familiar?
Europe and China wouldn’t respond with troops, they can’t. Instead, they’d go for the economic jugular. They dump U.S. treasuries and, critically, ASML lithography machines would no longer be available to U.S companies. The software can be remotely disabled.
Overnight, American manufacturing is fubar. The dollar hyper inflates as the rest of the world pivots to a petro-yuan, and suddenly the average person is living in Weimar Germany conditions.
That chaos is actually perfect for the leadership. They use the “war” to suspend elections and cement a family dynasty, relying on a militarized DHS and three letter agencies to keep order while people are too busy panicking over breadlines and the end of tiktok to revolt. That’s fine though because all the tech leaders in America signed up for it early on. They were all there at the inauguration.
The end result? The U.S. becomes a pariah state. “Fortress America” holding onto Greenland and the Americas by force, but cut off from global tech, finance and trade. Europe survives by making backroom deals with Russia and China, and the U.S. is left ruling over a collapsed, totalitarian and isolated empire.
Frump is threatening “Annexation” of two NATO nations. We need a new alliance without the Rouge nation of USA. To protect democracy.
I love America, but if you guys actually invade a peaceful allied nation like Greenland I feel like that will be the red line for other Western Nations. You will officially be an enemy nation, which is something I never thought I would say and it makes me incredibly sad. My advice to Americans who appear to be frogs in a pot, either unite and stop the madness or get out while you can, this is going to go downhill rapidly.