On a new episode of ID the Future, host Casey Luskin concludes a two-part conversation with University of Warwick professor and author Steve Fuller reflecting on the 20th anniversary of the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial, a case that examined the constitutionality of teaching intelligent design in public schools. Fuller discusses his experience serving as an expert witness for the defense. He defends his support of a policy that merely informed students of alternative theories to Darwinian evolution. He characterizes the Dover school board’s actions — notifying students that alternative views like intelligent design (ID) existed and were available in the library — as “pedagogically defensible” and “minimal.” He argues that high school is the ideal time to encourage an open mind toward science, as university education often pushes students toward a narrow “orthodoxy” to prepare them for research or exams.
The conversation then delves into Fuller’s deeper critiques of the institutional censorship he argues exists within modern science, where ID concepts are effectively barred from professional journals. He challenges the judge’s ruling in the Dover case, describing it as a cut and paste of the plaintiffs’ playbook that failed to acknowledge the rich history of ID within the scientific revolution. Fuller discusses this rich tradition of intelligent design in philosophy, science, and theology in Part 1 of this interview. Fuller explains that ID is not inherently anti-science but rather anti-establishment, acting as a challenge to what he calls the “established church of Darwin.” Looking forward, he suggests that the current cultural and legal climate might help to shift the dial toward a more pluralistic approach to science education.
Download the podcast or listen to it here. This is Part 2 of a two-part interview. Listen to or watch Part 1.
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- Check out our book-length response to Judge Jones’s ruling in the Dover trial: Traipsing Into Evolution.
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Photo by Casey Sernaqué Andrew McDiarmidDirector of Podcasting and Senior FellowAndrew McDiarmid is Director of Podcasting and a Senior Fellow at Discovery Institute. He is also a contributing writer to Mind Matters. He produces ID The Future, a podcast from the Center for Science & Culture that presents the case, research, and implications of intelligent design and explores the debate over evolution. He writes and speaks regularly on the impact of technology on human living. His work has appeared in numerous publications, including the New York Post, Houston Chronicle, The Daily Wire, San Francisco Chronicle, Real Clear Politics, Newsmax, The American Spectator, The Federalist, Technoskeptic Magazine, and elsewhere. In addition to his roles at Discovery Institute, he promotes his homeland as host of the Scottish culture and music podcast Simply Scottish. Andrew holds an MA in Teaching from Seattle Pacific University and a BA in English/Creative Writing from the University of Washington.
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