>The plans for Venezuela are bad enough. A country run by a dictator, who stayed in power by stealing the last election, has not been liberated and turned over to its people. Instead, the old regime has been anointed by Mr. Trump. The U.S. economic blockade is being maintained, with the U.S. President proudly announcing that the stranglehold has compelled the new client government to turn over up to 50 million barrels of oil to his control.
This is the model they would follow for any other territories they seize, or countries they take control of. Those sympathetic to being a 51st state, like some separatists, are mistaken if they believe that becoming an equal state of the American union is a possibility while this administration is in power. Or any administration; as Puerto Rico, Guam and others can attest.
At *best* Canada, or seceded former territories of Canada, would be a powerless vassal state kept under heel by the American military. Unable to choose their own destiny, unable to make the best choices for themselves, always serving *America First* and exploited *beyond* what is tolerable.
>“It has been the formal position of the U.S. government since the beginning of this administration,” said Mr. Miller, “that Greenland should be part of the United States. The President has been very clear about that.”
>Would he rule out using military force to attack a NATO member? No. “The United States should have Greenland. … Nobody’s going to fight the United States over the future of Greenland.”
>The world, he said, is “run by those who have power.” All else is “legal niceties.”
We were fools to ever trust them.
varitok on
What exactly are we supposed to do? Panic and freak out and yell? I don’t get the point of these articles. We don’t have much we can do as a people but wait and see. We can make deals, we can pretend that our allies will land boots on the ground to help us but thats just far flung hopes.
So instead of doomering every single day about the future, I am just going to live my life instead of being frozen in fear, there is quite literally nothing I can do to change the situation and I refuse to let it consume my mind.
t0m0hawk on
Im not sure enough Canadians are prepared to make difficult choices.
We are just coming up on the one year anniversary of this Admin. and I’m confident enough to declare that its going to get worse.
Our best hope at this point is that the US descends into some sort of revolution, otherwise we will be on the other end of the stick sooner rather than later.
Once Greeland is done, the eye of sauron will turn to us.
**Be prepared to make difficult choices.** Very few of us (myself excluded) are ready for what that actually entails.
Routine_Soup2022 on
We could do like Poilievre and say congratulations to dear leader but I think being proactive is a much better solution.
MTL_Dude666 on
I would invite my fellow Canadians to read Sinclair Lewis’ book “*It Can’t Happen Here*” from 1935: [https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html](https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html)
slappingdragon on
Apparently the CEO of Scotiabank seems okay with that.
It’s only the rich that seem okay with Trump doctrine as long as it benefits them.
Several_Still3890 on
Hard decisions are going to be made. We are very weak right now economically and with our military.
Canada is currently spending 12.25 per cent of all federal monies on indigenous priorities (which has increased 300% since 2015). This is double what is being spent on the military.
People are quick to call out US intrusion as a threat; however, most will not support reallocating government funds to position us well to defend ourselves. 🤷♂️
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RicoLoveless on
Yeah, make nuclear weapons now.
If they take Greenland that is us getting cutoff from aid that is coming from Europe.
RBHubbell58 on
American here. After the NYTimes interview there is no doubt in my mind that Trump will be coming after Canada. It isn’t a question of if, but when.
I am so very sorry. You have been fantastic neighbors and supporters of our country.
At the Federal level we have what is essentially a dictatorship. I wish to God it could be stopped, but I doubt there is anything that can be done at this point in time.
Icy-Artist1888 on
Maybe i overthink this, but, were the US to take action on greenland such that Nato invokes article 5, is Canada then at war with the US, and therefore fair target for US direct military action?
Kevlaars on
If the USSR/Russia was to launch nukes on the USA over the north pole, and the Americans shoot them down… Where would the resulting dirty bombs land?
Canada.
What we spend on defence is irrelevant to our neighbour because our contribution to THEIR defence has been a sacrifice play for 50+ years.
Literally taking the bullet for our friend.
Nobody would launch nukes on Canada for any reason other than our alliance with the USA.
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>The plans for Venezuela are bad enough. A country run by a dictator, who stayed in power by stealing the last election, has not been liberated and turned over to its people. Instead, the old regime has been anointed by Mr. Trump. The U.S. economic blockade is being maintained, with the U.S. President proudly announcing that the stranglehold has compelled the new client government to turn over up to 50 million barrels of oil to his control.
This is the model they would follow for any other territories they seize, or countries they take control of. Those sympathetic to being a 51st state, like some separatists, are mistaken if they believe that becoming an equal state of the American union is a possibility while this administration is in power. Or any administration; as Puerto Rico, Guam and others can attest.
At *best* Canada, or seceded former territories of Canada, would be a powerless vassal state kept under heel by the American military. Unable to choose their own destiny, unable to make the best choices for themselves, always serving *America First* and exploited *beyond* what is tolerable.
>“It has been the formal position of the U.S. government since the beginning of this administration,” said Mr. Miller, “that Greenland should be part of the United States. The President has been very clear about that.”
>Would he rule out using military force to attack a NATO member? No. “The United States should have Greenland. … Nobody’s going to fight the United States over the future of Greenland.”
>The world, he said, is “run by those who have power.” All else is “legal niceties.”
We were fools to ever trust them.
What exactly are we supposed to do? Panic and freak out and yell? I don’t get the point of these articles. We don’t have much we can do as a people but wait and see. We can make deals, we can pretend that our allies will land boots on the ground to help us but thats just far flung hopes.
So instead of doomering every single day about the future, I am just going to live my life instead of being frozen in fear, there is quite literally nothing I can do to change the situation and I refuse to let it consume my mind.
Im not sure enough Canadians are prepared to make difficult choices.
We are just coming up on the one year anniversary of this Admin. and I’m confident enough to declare that its going to get worse.
Our best hope at this point is that the US descends into some sort of revolution, otherwise we will be on the other end of the stick sooner rather than later.
Once Greeland is done, the eye of sauron will turn to us.
**Be prepared to make difficult choices.** Very few of us (myself excluded) are ready for what that actually entails.
We could do like Poilievre and say congratulations to dear leader but I think being proactive is a much better solution.
I would invite my fellow Canadians to read Sinclair Lewis’ book “*It Can’t Happen Here*” from 1935: [https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html](https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0301001h.html)
Apparently the CEO of Scotiabank seems okay with that.
It’s only the rich that seem okay with Trump doctrine as long as it benefits them.
Hard decisions are going to be made. We are very weak right now economically and with our military.
Canada is currently spending 12.25 per cent of all federal monies on indigenous priorities (which has increased 300% since 2015). This is double what is being spent on the military.
People are quick to call out US intrusion as a threat; however, most will not support reallocating government funds to position us well to defend ourselves. 🤷♂️
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Yeah, make nuclear weapons now.
If they take Greenland that is us getting cutoff from aid that is coming from Europe.
American here. After the NYTimes interview there is no doubt in my mind that Trump will be coming after Canada. It isn’t a question of if, but when.
I am so very sorry. You have been fantastic neighbors and supporters of our country.
At the Federal level we have what is essentially a dictatorship. I wish to God it could be stopped, but I doubt there is anything that can be done at this point in time.
Maybe i overthink this, but, were the US to take action on greenland such that Nato invokes article 5, is Canada then at war with the US, and therefore fair target for US direct military action?
If the USSR/Russia was to launch nukes on the USA over the north pole, and the Americans shoot them down… Where would the resulting dirty bombs land?
Canada.
What we spend on defence is irrelevant to our neighbour because our contribution to THEIR defence has been a sacrifice play for 50+ years.
Literally taking the bullet for our friend.
Nobody would launch nukes on Canada for any reason other than our alliance with the USA.
Some fucking friend.