can’t wait for people to defend ethnic cleansing
You-all-suck-so-bad on
And now Palestinians have exclusive control over about 5% of this land. Some are even able to visit other villages if they jump through enough hoops.
Gotta love the old narrative about it being a complicated dispute between two equal people that just want the same things.
citizen_snips on
Wondering why there are so many blank spots in this map?
Only 25% of Mandatory Palestine was covered by cadastral survey by 1947, meaning that land rights were mostly customary and the colonial government had not officiated most of the land.
Of that which had been recorded, we don’t know about a lot of the erstwhile property claims to make maps in the present day like this because…
…During the 1948 Nakba, Zionist troops deliberately burnt British administrative offices in which property records were kept, ensuring it was impossible for many Palestinians to prove they had any claim to their lands.
Admirable-Ad3408 on
This shows why the UN partition borders were so hideous. They basically had an impossible task
STFUnicorn_ on
Why did the people in all the blue land have to defend themselves so well? Couldn’t they have just let themselves get wiped out?
MeiLei- on
mixing up the terms arab and jewish with palestine and israel feels like it could lead to some racist and antisemitic outcomes. most jews are not israeli, same with arabs and palestinians
LeaguePuzzled3606 on
Some context that often gets left out of the discussion.
Traditional land ownership in Palestine was highly informal, to live and work on it for a few hundred years made it “yours”. A lot of land was also considered community owned. Halfway through the 1800s the Ottomans sought to formalize ownership. This caused two great fears to crop up, conscription and taxation. In an effort by land owning peasants to avoid both, a lot of land was not registered to the informal owners but to wealthier city elites who were protected from both due to their connections.
A few decades later Jews begin their mass immigration to Palestine and they start buying up land, *from the Ottoman authorities and the city elites*. So you have a situation where the actual people whose families would have been working and living on the land for hundreds of years had it sold out from under them and the newly arrived owners demanded they vacate the land.
UpbeatAssumption5817 on
Probably some of the worst land on the planet you can own
wq1119 on
Posted it again award.
AcanthocephalaTop462 on
So if a group of ppl immigrate somewhere or become refugees there and buy up most of the land can they just declare independence and become their own state?
ParaEwie on
Look at all that nothing in the southern region. Yummy sand.
Future_Adagio2052 on
Again with this I see?
PersonalLook156 on
Why did Jordan take Arab Palestine and annex it rather that side with the UN?
UnholyAuraOP on
Why don’t they just make it one country and work together? Are they stupid?
-HeisenBird- on
Not sure why anybody thought it was a smart idea to partition *this* based on religious lines instead of creating a state with equal rights for all. Imagine if Lebanon or Syria were partitioned this way.
MyRedundantOpinion on
Ah man come on, fatigued isn’t the word.
bibeachbum on
Tbh, the current state of Israel doesn’t look too different from this from a land ownership perspective, the main problem is Israeli state sovereignty over large areas where Arabs did not want Jewish nationalist statehood. Also no one really owns land in the state of Israel, it’s just leased from the government, so you’d see why that’s infuriating for Arabs to lease from a govt that by definition does not represent them. The biggest difference now in demographic shift is the West Bank settlements and the destruction of Gaza. I know a lot of people are gonna want the entire map to be green but that is about as likely to happen as the entire map being blue.
WyllowWulf on
Sad thing is, the “Arabs” of the Levant are not genetically Arabian, they are Levantine, same as Jews. They are the same people separated by culture/religion.
ZealousidealPound460 on
Minds eye: this doesn’t look like reality
Reading the actual title: this was 80 years ago
Mr_MazeCandy on
You mean Palestinian, not Arab. Given most Palestinians can trace their ancestry back to before the first Islamic caliphate, most Palestinians would have Semite heritage, not Arabic.
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This again…
Source?
can’t wait for people to defend ethnic cleansing
And now Palestinians have exclusive control over about 5% of this land. Some are even able to visit other villages if they jump through enough hoops.
Gotta love the old narrative about it being a complicated dispute between two equal people that just want the same things.
Wondering why there are so many blank spots in this map?
Only 25% of Mandatory Palestine was covered by cadastral survey by 1947, meaning that land rights were mostly customary and the colonial government had not officiated most of the land.
Of that which had been recorded, we don’t know about a lot of the erstwhile property claims to make maps in the present day like this because…
…During the 1948 Nakba, Zionist troops deliberately burnt British administrative offices in which property records were kept, ensuring it was impossible for many Palestinians to prove they had any claim to their lands.
This shows why the UN partition borders were so hideous. They basically had an impossible task
Why did the people in all the blue land have to defend themselves so well? Couldn’t they have just let themselves get wiped out?
mixing up the terms arab and jewish with palestine and israel feels like it could lead to some racist and antisemitic outcomes. most jews are not israeli, same with arabs and palestinians
Some context that often gets left out of the discussion.
Traditional land ownership in Palestine was highly informal, to live and work on it for a few hundred years made it “yours”. A lot of land was also considered community owned. Halfway through the 1800s the Ottomans sought to formalize ownership. This caused two great fears to crop up, conscription and taxation. In an effort by land owning peasants to avoid both, a lot of land was not registered to the informal owners but to wealthier city elites who were protected from both due to their connections.
A few decades later Jews begin their mass immigration to Palestine and they start buying up land, *from the Ottoman authorities and the city elites*. So you have a situation where the actual people whose families would have been working and living on the land for hundreds of years had it sold out from under them and the newly arrived owners demanded they vacate the land.
Probably some of the worst land on the planet you can own
Posted it again award.
So if a group of ppl immigrate somewhere or become refugees there and buy up most of the land can they just declare independence and become their own state?
Look at all that nothing in the southern region. Yummy sand.
Again with this I see?
Why did Jordan take Arab Palestine and annex it rather that side with the UN?
Why don’t they just make it one country and work together? Are they stupid?
Not sure why anybody thought it was a smart idea to partition *this* based on religious lines instead of creating a state with equal rights for all. Imagine if Lebanon or Syria were partitioned this way.
Ah man come on, fatigued isn’t the word.
Tbh, the current state of Israel doesn’t look too different from this from a land ownership perspective, the main problem is Israeli state sovereignty over large areas where Arabs did not want Jewish nationalist statehood. Also no one really owns land in the state of Israel, it’s just leased from the government, so you’d see why that’s infuriating for Arabs to lease from a govt that by definition does not represent them. The biggest difference now in demographic shift is the West Bank settlements and the destruction of Gaza. I know a lot of people are gonna want the entire map to be green but that is about as likely to happen as the entire map being blue.
Sad thing is, the “Arabs” of the Levant are not genetically Arabian, they are Levantine, same as Jews. They are the same people separated by culture/religion.
Minds eye: this doesn’t look like reality
Reading the actual title: this was 80 years ago
You mean Palestinian, not Arab. Given most Palestinians can trace their ancestry back to before the first Islamic caliphate, most Palestinians would have Semite heritage, not Arabic.
Where’s the rest of it, i.e. Jordan?