The combo of the new kookaburra and the spicier pitches definitely arent helping thats for sure. Shiled pitches are always super spicy which i think damages our batsmens growth too.
amberNmo on
Still surprises me that given the formula of the Australian bowling squad with Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, Lee how the recruiting, training and development wasn’t replicated especially as they got closer to retiring ages, we didn’t “slot” in another person in the position. Considering how many kids were running around as juniors wanting to be “Warnie”!
04-06-2016 on
I always assumed that Warnie would cause a big up tick of adoption in the next generation, and we’d have a tonne of incredible leg spinners. Maybe Warnie was a once in a century instead of once in a generation player
tullynipp on
Australian pitches have always favoured quick bowlers but a spinner has also always had value. Even today.
Spin is not a dying art, however, I genuinely believe Australia’s best spinners get stuck in, say, 3rd grade somewhere.
To get noticed as a kid, or as an older junior player/younger seniors player, you need 5 things:
1. Ability to bowl well enough on synthetic pitches.. you don’t get turf games (where your talent shines) if you can’t get off synthetic.
2. A team that can field.. you don’t get off bouncey synth pitches without people to catch the ball.
3. Some ability with the bat.. you don’t get off synth if you barely get a chance to bowl (typically 2nd change) so runs have to help you.
4. Politics.. who you know matters way too much. (Good luck if the nepo babies of a club/region fancy themselves as a part time spinner)
5. The right look and fitness.. people are judgey fucks and if you aren’t sexy people disregard your abilities (see any slightly chubby player in the last 30 years or players with odd styles).
After all of that you have get the 1 of 11 spot on a 1st grade team to get to be picked for the 1 of 11 spot on a state team.
Then each of those levels tend to favour quick bowling and spinners who are economical rather than slightly more expensive wicket takers. (T20 is also pushing this)
If the Australian team wants the next Warne, they need to encourage state and grade teams to look for potential test quality spinners, or be willing to expand the search themselves.
Pioneer1072 on
Yes. Our old head of cricket thought that having an off spinner with variations was cheating.
Our pitches have evolved from the golden years where Sydney and Adelaide were spin friendly as the game went on to generic drop in flatties in the 2010s.
The spinner Australia has played forever thrives on seam and bounce, getting wickets on the same pitches that his fast bowlers favor, which gives him a strong home record but a bad 4th innings record and history of not getting it done in the 4th innings that we all kinda ignore because nice Garry.
The only wins we have in the subcontinent come from India shit tipping themselves into a bind with absolutely unplayable wickets on occasion, or against rancid Sri Lankan teams.
chriswhitewrites on
Swepson (Q) has 21 wickets this Shield season. Rocchiccioli (WA) has 20.
Lyon (NSW) has 12, and Pope (SA) and Murphy (VIC) have 10 wickets each. Beau Webster (TAS) has bowled spin and pace for 9 wickets – I’m not sure of the stat breakdown.
So every state has a spinner, and all but Tassie have a frontline spinner. Swepson and Rocchiccioli are 5th and 6th on the wicket-taking list respectively.
Why didn’t they interview any of those guys?
Wizz-Fizz on
No
AdDesigner1153 on
I think at worst it’ll go the way of wicket keeping where it’s not a stand alone skill that’ll get you selected and that there’ll be an expectation you can bat
coder_doode on
Having a decent spinner in the squad is a handy way to keep the over rate up. I also think bringing in a spinner for short spells here and there is useful to disrupt the rhythm of batters who have settled in. Minimum should be to maintain quality spin at the Shield level so our batters get experience facing it.
xapxironchef on
No. I do think that we can pick and choose our spin bowlers a bit more now. Maybe Lyon isn’t the only option…
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The combo of the new kookaburra and the spicier pitches definitely arent helping thats for sure. Shiled pitches are always super spicy which i think damages our batsmens growth too.
Still surprises me that given the formula of the Australian bowling squad with Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, Lee how the recruiting, training and development wasn’t replicated especially as they got closer to retiring ages, we didn’t “slot” in another person in the position. Considering how many kids were running around as juniors wanting to be “Warnie”!
I always assumed that Warnie would cause a big up tick of adoption in the next generation, and we’d have a tonne of incredible leg spinners. Maybe Warnie was a once in a century instead of once in a generation player
Australian pitches have always favoured quick bowlers but a spinner has also always had value. Even today.
Spin is not a dying art, however, I genuinely believe Australia’s best spinners get stuck in, say, 3rd grade somewhere.
To get noticed as a kid, or as an older junior player/younger seniors player, you need 5 things:
1. Ability to bowl well enough on synthetic pitches.. you don’t get turf games (where your talent shines) if you can’t get off synthetic.
2. A team that can field.. you don’t get off bouncey synth pitches without people to catch the ball.
3. Some ability with the bat.. you don’t get off synth if you barely get a chance to bowl (typically 2nd change) so runs have to help you.
4. Politics.. who you know matters way too much. (Good luck if the nepo babies of a club/region fancy themselves as a part time spinner)
5. The right look and fitness.. people are judgey fucks and if you aren’t sexy people disregard your abilities (see any slightly chubby player in the last 30 years or players with odd styles).
After all of that you have get the 1 of 11 spot on a 1st grade team to get to be picked for the 1 of 11 spot on a state team.
Then each of those levels tend to favour quick bowling and spinners who are economical rather than slightly more expensive wicket takers. (T20 is also pushing this)
If the Australian team wants the next Warne, they need to encourage state and grade teams to look for potential test quality spinners, or be willing to expand the search themselves.
Yes. Our old head of cricket thought that having an off spinner with variations was cheating.
Our pitches have evolved from the golden years where Sydney and Adelaide were spin friendly as the game went on to generic drop in flatties in the 2010s.
The spinner Australia has played forever thrives on seam and bounce, getting wickets on the same pitches that his fast bowlers favor, which gives him a strong home record but a bad 4th innings record and history of not getting it done in the 4th innings that we all kinda ignore because nice Garry.
The only wins we have in the subcontinent come from India shit tipping themselves into a bind with absolutely unplayable wickets on occasion, or against rancid Sri Lankan teams.
Swepson (Q) has 21 wickets this Shield season. Rocchiccioli (WA) has 20.
Lyon (NSW) has 12, and Pope (SA) and Murphy (VIC) have 10 wickets each. Beau Webster (TAS) has bowled spin and pace for 9 wickets – I’m not sure of the stat breakdown.
So every state has a spinner, and all but Tassie have a frontline spinner. Swepson and Rocchiccioli are 5th and 6th on the wicket-taking list respectively.
Why didn’t they interview any of those guys?
No
I think at worst it’ll go the way of wicket keeping where it’s not a stand alone skill that’ll get you selected and that there’ll be an expectation you can bat
Having a decent spinner in the squad is a handy way to keep the over rate up. I also think bringing in a spinner for short spells here and there is useful to disrupt the rhythm of batters who have settled in. Minimum should be to maintain quality spin at the Shield level so our batters get experience facing it.
No. I do think that we can pick and choose our spin bowlers a bit more now. Maybe Lyon isn’t the only option…