I had to pause for a while. You mean he’s introducing anti-hate speech laws and gun control laws. Not hate speech and gun laws.
kalayt on
Hello slippery slope
Environment-Small on
1st day of parliament is gonna be full of drama …. no bipartisanship in denouncing extremism and commemorating the ones whose lives were tragically lost and injured but rather full blown political scoring.
VastOption8705 on
I’m all for not allowing too much hate speech, but is this a bit too far?
I get it. Bondi was horrific, but should we going down this path of the government banning many organisations, protests being banned in NSW and VIC?
This is the furthest that the government has ever gone. Once they have these powers, they won’t be revoked for a long time.
Why are we suddenly doing this for only one subsection of society?
SentenceStreet3270 on
Would more censorship have stopped the shooting?
I’m genuinely a bit confused here.
Tellatrope on
I’d love to see terf and anti trans added to the ban list!
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Yeknom_47 on
Really not a fan of further restrictions to speech and protests. I’m sure there will be a huge over reach in the wake of Bondi. However freedom of speech and expression are a cornerstone of any good democracy, bringing in further restrictions doesn’t help.
FranklyNinja on
As long as it’s common sense law I’m all for it
Thoresus on
Maybe the people who are responsible fot our various government agencies who oversee security in our nation are the problem.
We constantly get told we have to have more and more freedoms removed so they can do their job.
But everytime their is an horrific event, we need eve more laws introduced rather than look at why we aren’t using the ones already in place effectively.
ENG_NR on
Will we still be allowed to question the immigration rate, or suggest a policy for limiting immigration by country? Genuinely unsure based on the wording of the bill. It seems like anything that might “disrupt social cohesion” will be a crime, which is incredibly broad.
badfishnchips on
If no one can say the bad words, that must mean they don’t exist. YAY!!!
Becnoir on
Bro you’ve got a majority government and instead of doing whitlam era policies like free university you’re doing this and almost nothing else.
Blows my mind how spineless the labor government is
dankcxnt on
Better hate speech laws would be nice but I honestly do not have faith in this government’s capacity for writing sensible and thoughtful legislation. Michelle Rowland ruined that as communications minister and their continued bias towards Zionism does not bode well with any ‘cohesive’ understanding of hate speech.
What’s most important is that any sort of hate speech laws actually work to stop people sitting on their ass recording videos or writing slop articles online and making adsense money spewing hatred. This is the biggest issue. Regular folks doing hate speech get fired while these people are paid doing it. It’s nuts.
matthew_anthony on
Hey Albo, I’m sure you mean well but between this and the social media ban, youre really not doing yourself any favours when it comes to claims that you’re a dictator buddy
dreamlikes7 on
Why is he recalling parliament to introduce hate speech? Couldn’t he have just held a press conference and hurled some slurs around?
Tacticaloperator051 on
So kangroo version of Justin Trudeau, good luck folks, brace for impact
Superest22 on
I don’t understand how someone thought his statement on guns made any sense. Whilst the father should never have had access, that’s a NSWPOL and ASIO error.
“There are more guns now than there were at the time of the Port Arthur Massacre. That is not good enough.” – what?! That just shows how the current laws ACTUALLY work ffs.
Also “the terrorists at bondi beach had hatred in their minds but guns in their hands”…brilliant slogan, probably would have been more deaths if they’d actually just used their car and detonated the IED. Again, our laws clearly work.
Just makes it seem written by the youngest/newest intern with no understanding of our laws.
gardenvarietydork on
Reading the article its all pretty vague what the total changes will be. Sinking feeling its just more of a government power grab than something that will actually address real issues.
briberylibrary_ on
Making it easier to deport people doesn’t really make sense. Or at least it wouldn’t have prevented the shooting, right? It feels like a kneejerk.
The father was likely here for years before developing hateful beliefs (again, hard to tell, but I think it’s likely) while the son was born here and is an Australian citizen.
zeroxnull on
Of course we have more guns now than Port Arthur, everything is a firearm now. Air guns, gel blasters, bug-a-salt.
basscycles on
Australia is knee deep in anti hate laws, anti gun laws and anti terrorism laws. The problem is that there are a bunch of departments covering those laws who spend time chasing environmentalists and investigative journalists instead of preventing the deaths we just witnessed. Not one of these MPs will explain what laws were missing and what could have been prevented if we had these new laws. Posturing.
schwarzeneg on
Majority Australians don’t want this, a large amount of Jewish people don’t want this. The only type of people who do, are the type of people who ironically want to sew division overseas and turn Australia into a criticism free bunker by hiding behind a religion that is barely a freckle on australias ass cheek…
Hour_Thanks6235 on
How will laws stop people thinking what they want to think ? It’ll just make them bottle it up.
jjsixsixtysix on
Surely there are already laws in place to deal with hate speech and firearms are they not being enforced?
Blossom_AU on
Somewhere I heard that with the new gun laws pp may only own 4 high-power rifles rather than 6?
No idea if that’s correct?
**IF** it is…… what can one do with 6 one could not do with 4?
Foxxxy73 on
What a ruse. call it for what it is and address it, Jihadist-Islamic extremism. Maybe start jailing ISIS-affiliated preachers like Wissam Haddad or strip their citizenships if they are holding or have held dual nationalities? Maybe strengthen internal security laws?. This government has found so many excuses to erode our freedoms gradually.
TheHoovyPrince on
Hate speech laws worry me a lot because a policy like that is just RIPE for government overreach and abuse on what people can say. Obviously everyone agrees that threats and calls to or for violence are acceptable reasons for an arrest but i dont agree that someone making a cultural, social or political opinion should be arrested. The idea of a language police isn’t great.
Kautetahi on
So will these hate speech laws act similar to the palastine action stuff in the UK. Who gets to decide the “organisations as prohibited hate groups”? Also why cant these bills be seperate. Democracy just seems so archiac in todays age
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More selective website bans incoming.
I had to pause for a while. You mean he’s introducing anti-hate speech laws and gun control laws. Not hate speech and gun laws.
Hello slippery slope
1st day of parliament is gonna be full of drama …. no bipartisanship in denouncing extremism and commemorating the ones whose lives were tragically lost and injured but rather full blown political scoring.
I’m all for not allowing too much hate speech, but is this a bit too far?
I get it. Bondi was horrific, but should we going down this path of the government banning many organisations, protests being banned in NSW and VIC?
This is the furthest that the government has ever gone. Once they have these powers, they won’t be revoked for a long time.
Why are we suddenly doing this for only one subsection of society?
Would more censorship have stopped the shooting?
I’m genuinely a bit confused here.
I’d love to see terf and anti trans added to the ban list!
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Really not a fan of further restrictions to speech and protests. I’m sure there will be a huge over reach in the wake of Bondi. However freedom of speech and expression are a cornerstone of any good democracy, bringing in further restrictions doesn’t help.
As long as it’s common sense law I’m all for it
Maybe the people who are responsible fot our various government agencies who oversee security in our nation are the problem.
We constantly get told we have to have more and more freedoms removed so they can do their job.
But everytime their is an horrific event, we need eve more laws introduced rather than look at why we aren’t using the ones already in place effectively.
Will we still be allowed to question the immigration rate, or suggest a policy for limiting immigration by country? Genuinely unsure based on the wording of the bill. It seems like anything that might “disrupt social cohesion” will be a crime, which is incredibly broad.
If no one can say the bad words, that must mean they don’t exist. YAY!!!
Bro you’ve got a majority government and instead of doing whitlam era policies like free university you’re doing this and almost nothing else.
Blows my mind how spineless the labor government is
Better hate speech laws would be nice but I honestly do not have faith in this government’s capacity for writing sensible and thoughtful legislation. Michelle Rowland ruined that as communications minister and their continued bias towards Zionism does not bode well with any ‘cohesive’ understanding of hate speech.
What’s most important is that any sort of hate speech laws actually work to stop people sitting on their ass recording videos or writing slop articles online and making adsense money spewing hatred. This is the biggest issue. Regular folks doing hate speech get fired while these people are paid doing it. It’s nuts.
Hey Albo, I’m sure you mean well but between this and the social media ban, youre really not doing yourself any favours when it comes to claims that you’re a dictator buddy
Why is he recalling parliament to introduce hate speech? Couldn’t he have just held a press conference and hurled some slurs around?
So kangroo version of Justin Trudeau, good luck folks, brace for impact
I don’t understand how someone thought his statement on guns made any sense. Whilst the father should never have had access, that’s a NSWPOL and ASIO error.
“There are more guns now than there were at the time of the Port Arthur Massacre. That is not good enough.” – what?! That just shows how the current laws ACTUALLY work ffs.
Also “the terrorists at bondi beach had hatred in their minds but guns in their hands”…brilliant slogan, probably would have been more deaths if they’d actually just used their car and detonated the IED. Again, our laws clearly work.
Just makes it seem written by the youngest/newest intern with no understanding of our laws.
Reading the article its all pretty vague what the total changes will be. Sinking feeling its just more of a government power grab than something that will actually address real issues.
Making it easier to deport people doesn’t really make sense. Or at least it wouldn’t have prevented the shooting, right? It feels like a kneejerk.
The father was likely here for years before developing hateful beliefs (again, hard to tell, but I think it’s likely) while the son was born here and is an Australian citizen.
Of course we have more guns now than Port Arthur, everything is a firearm now. Air guns, gel blasters, bug-a-salt.
Australia is knee deep in anti hate laws, anti gun laws and anti terrorism laws. The problem is that there are a bunch of departments covering those laws who spend time chasing environmentalists and investigative journalists instead of preventing the deaths we just witnessed. Not one of these MPs will explain what laws were missing and what could have been prevented if we had these new laws. Posturing.
Majority Australians don’t want this, a large amount of Jewish people don’t want this. The only type of people who do, are the type of people who ironically want to sew division overseas and turn Australia into a criticism free bunker by hiding behind a religion that is barely a freckle on australias ass cheek…
How will laws stop people thinking what they want to think ? It’ll just make them bottle it up.
Surely there are already laws in place to deal with hate speech and firearms are they not being enforced?
Somewhere I heard that with the new gun laws pp may only own 4 high-power rifles rather than 6?
No idea if that’s correct?
**IF** it is…… what can one do with 6 one could not do with 4?
What a ruse. call it for what it is and address it, Jihadist-Islamic extremism. Maybe start jailing ISIS-affiliated preachers like Wissam Haddad or strip their citizenships if they are holding or have held dual nationalities? Maybe strengthen internal security laws?. This government has found so many excuses to erode our freedoms gradually.
Hate speech laws worry me a lot because a policy like that is just RIPE for government overreach and abuse on what people can say. Obviously everyone agrees that threats and calls to or for violence are acceptable reasons for an arrest but i dont agree that someone making a cultural, social or political opinion should be arrested. The idea of a language police isn’t great.
So will these hate speech laws act similar to the palastine action stuff in the UK. Who gets to decide the “organisations as prohibited hate groups”? Also why cant these bills be seperate. Democracy just seems so archiac in todays age