I don’t support this action, but everything I’ve heard of this seems so vague. The only aircraft that comes to mind is perhaps a P-8 Poseidon??
MaraudersWereFramed on
For those that didnt read the article, which appears to be everyone so far, they disguised it as a battleship.
SayMyNameGolf on
War crime allegation? lol. Is that the best they can come up with? This is not headline worthy.
Icy-idkman3890 on
You trust Al Jazeera the mouthpiece for Hamas and Qatar?
Zdrack on
Im still waiting to see a single picture of this alleged plane, because the only ones ive found online so far still say us navy in big letters on the side
IndividualSkill3432 on
Well respected OSINT people were very sceptical of this this morning. I can’t say if it’s true or not, just it seems to be pretty fishy.
It’s not like they have been trying to hide what they have been doing up till now. Nor do they really need to go to these lengths. You can drop munitions from so high and far away that no one is going to spot something like the F-18 doing it.
I can’t say it did not happen, but Id be waiting for solid evidence before starting to take it seriously.
TopOfThe18 on
Aljazeera…… might as well just link something the The Sun in the UK.
Mia_the_Snowflake on
Aljazeera is a terrible source.
neon121 on
I’m not saying I support what they did in these attacks, but don’t these kind of war crimes only apply to lawful combatants in actual wars between opposing sovereign states?
This isn’t really a war as such and those killed aren’t considered lawful combatants
Sir_Edna_Bucket on
Crap article. Suggesting that internal stowage of weapons isn’t allowed, something that all large bombers have since the second world war!!
The US definitely has intelligence and SpecOps aircraft painted in innocuous colour schemes to help them blend in when operating from civilian airports or within visual range of observers, other countries do the same, such as the UK with their Shadow aircraft.
Misfiring on
Where are these people when China hides missile launchers in containers?
Ukraine also hides drones in containers, are they committing war crimes?
IveKnownItAll on
The number of comments from people who clearly didn’t read the article is astounding.
themikker on
Pretending to be a civilian airliner could easily be a war crime, absolutely. For aircraft, what matters most are transponder codes, which the article admits were military. You don’t eyeball aircraft and shoot them down based on the paint job (unless you’re Russian). As long as you don’t paint a red cross on the side of your plane, you should be fine.
Stealth isn’t a war crime.
modsaregh3y on
The US aren’t signatories to the ICC so what does it matter?
CalidusReinhart on
Could you even make out any markings on a jet that high up and moving that fast?
Sredni_Vashtar006 on
We don’t need to disguise shit.
Way_Tall_Filipino on
*sees source*
Yup it’s a buncha bs lol
iHo4Iroh on
Wtaf? A livable wage is more than psychological necessary for people and yet you don’t see that happening.
roller_coaster325 on
What plane has its missiles inside besides a 5th gen fighter. Also, I thought they used drones. Why would they paint the plaint the plane As civilian? They are bragging about the strikes, no one on the boats would be able to identify the aircraft and evade it.
Seems like sketchy reporting but would like to see the original NYT article.
LowEmergencyCaptain on
Probably no drugs in the boat I bet.
lnin0 on
Kind of like pointing out the murder was committed with a stolen gun. Sure, stealing a gun is illegal, but the actual crime of murder shouldn’t take a backseat to it.
Media gaslighting trying to switch the narrative so people can weigh how much they feel it was wrong to use a disguised plane instead of talking about the true crime. How bad it is to indiscriminately murder a boat full of who knows who in international waters in the dark of night for a crime that doesn’t carry the death penalty without so much as even confirming what this boat was doing or who was on it.
Call a Nazi a Nazi. It was a war crime regardless of the way the boat was blown up and its passengers murdered.
MeetCleever on
Remember in 2024 The Supreme Court granted Trump broad immunity for criminal liabilty as President.. Pepperidge Farms Remembers…
PhilosopherNo7409 on
Why would Americans need a disguise to down these boats?
LacansThesis on
“drug boat”
DED_HAMPSTER on
Or, you know, we could reduce funding for our military and increase funding and personnel count for our port authorities, customs, immigration judges and admin, boarder patrol… etc. Make these agencies less militaristic and more administrative with more people pushing the paper and actually opening shipping containers and looking immigrants in the eye.
If we inspected all imports of people and things we’d stop whatever at the ports, airports, boarders just fine AND have the concrete evidence and detained persons to make the case to the American public, offending country, and international community.
cathbadh on
I’m skeptical on the claim, they may be wrong or mistaken. What is the point of painting a plane to trick a boat? The boat can’t outrun the plane. Why would it swoop down juuuuust low enough and fly slow enough that they could read markings on the side? The US would likely have 3 or 4 drones in the area that could see their faces from pretty far away.
I’m wondering if they saw a recon plane and didn’t notice the plane that actually fired on them, either because it was a smaller drone or an F35 that any rardar they may have had on their boat wouldn’t see, firing from a distance.
Wonderful-Process792 on
It’s also an unfortunate choice because it’s so unnecessary. These drug boats can’t outrun a US Navy aircraft, nor see them from a significant distance away.
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I don’t support this action, but everything I’ve heard of this seems so vague. The only aircraft that comes to mind is perhaps a P-8 Poseidon??
For those that didnt read the article, which appears to be everyone so far, they disguised it as a battleship.
War crime allegation? lol. Is that the best they can come up with? This is not headline worthy.
You trust Al Jazeera the mouthpiece for Hamas and Qatar?
Im still waiting to see a single picture of this alleged plane, because the only ones ive found online so far still say us navy in big letters on the side
Well respected OSINT people were very sceptical of this this morning. I can’t say if it’s true or not, just it seems to be pretty fishy.
It’s not like they have been trying to hide what they have been doing up till now. Nor do they really need to go to these lengths. You can drop munitions from so high and far away that no one is going to spot something like the F-18 doing it.
I can’t say it did not happen, but Id be waiting for solid evidence before starting to take it seriously.
Aljazeera…… might as well just link something the The Sun in the UK.
Aljazeera is a terrible source.
I’m not saying I support what they did in these attacks, but don’t these kind of war crimes only apply to lawful combatants in actual wars between opposing sovereign states?
This isn’t really a war as such and those killed aren’t considered lawful combatants
Crap article. Suggesting that internal stowage of weapons isn’t allowed, something that all large bombers have since the second world war!!
The US definitely has intelligence and SpecOps aircraft painted in innocuous colour schemes to help them blend in when operating from civilian airports or within visual range of observers, other countries do the same, such as the UK with their Shadow aircraft.
Where are these people when China hides missile launchers in containers?
Ukraine also hides drones in containers, are they committing war crimes?
The number of comments from people who clearly didn’t read the article is astounding.
Pretending to be a civilian airliner could easily be a war crime, absolutely. For aircraft, what matters most are transponder codes, which the article admits were military. You don’t eyeball aircraft and shoot them down based on the paint job (unless you’re Russian). As long as you don’t paint a red cross on the side of your plane, you should be fine.
Stealth isn’t a war crime.
The US aren’t signatories to the ICC so what does it matter?
Could you even make out any markings on a jet that high up and moving that fast?
We don’t need to disguise shit.
*sees source*
Yup it’s a buncha bs lol
Wtaf? A livable wage is more than psychological necessary for people and yet you don’t see that happening.
What plane has its missiles inside besides a 5th gen fighter. Also, I thought they used drones. Why would they paint the plaint the plane As civilian? They are bragging about the strikes, no one on the boats would be able to identify the aircraft and evade it.
Seems like sketchy reporting but would like to see the original NYT article.
Probably no drugs in the boat I bet.
Kind of like pointing out the murder was committed with a stolen gun. Sure, stealing a gun is illegal, but the actual crime of murder shouldn’t take a backseat to it.
Media gaslighting trying to switch the narrative so people can weigh how much they feel it was wrong to use a disguised plane instead of talking about the true crime. How bad it is to indiscriminately murder a boat full of who knows who in international waters in the dark of night for a crime that doesn’t carry the death penalty without so much as even confirming what this boat was doing or who was on it.
Call a Nazi a Nazi. It was a war crime regardless of the way the boat was blown up and its passengers murdered.
Remember in 2024 The Supreme Court granted Trump broad immunity for criminal liabilty as President.. Pepperidge Farms Remembers…
Why would Americans need a disguise to down these boats?
“drug boat”
Or, you know, we could reduce funding for our military and increase funding and personnel count for our port authorities, customs, immigration judges and admin, boarder patrol… etc. Make these agencies less militaristic and more administrative with more people pushing the paper and actually opening shipping containers and looking immigrants in the eye.
If we inspected all imports of people and things we’d stop whatever at the ports, airports, boarders just fine AND have the concrete evidence and detained persons to make the case to the American public, offending country, and international community.
I’m skeptical on the claim, they may be wrong or mistaken. What is the point of painting a plane to trick a boat? The boat can’t outrun the plane. Why would it swoop down juuuuust low enough and fly slow enough that they could read markings on the side? The US would likely have 3 or 4 drones in the area that could see their faces from pretty far away.
I’m wondering if they saw a recon plane and didn’t notice the plane that actually fired on them, either because it was a smaller drone or an F35 that any rardar they may have had on their boat wouldn’t see, firing from a distance.
It’s also an unfortunate choice because it’s so unnecessary. These drug boats can’t outrun a US Navy aircraft, nor see them from a significant distance away.