> While our hypothetical scenario picked a different city and a slightly different sequence of events, the conclusions we reached about the possibility of green-on-green violence are directly applicable to the current situation. First, none of the participants – many of them senior former military and government officials – considered the scenario unrealistic, especially after the supreme court’s decision in Trump v United States, which granted the president criminal immunity for official acts.
>
> Second, we concluded that in a fast-moving emergency of this magnitude, courts would probably be unable or unwilling to intervene in time, leaving state officials without meaningful judicial relief. State officials might file emergency motions to enjoin the use of federal troops, but judges would either fail to respond quickly enough or decline to rule on what they view as a “political question”, leaving the conflict unresolved. This is why Judge Menendez’s ruling is so critical: it may be the last opportunity a federal judge has to intervene before matters spiral completely out of control.
>
> Third, we warned that senior military leaders could face orders to use force not only against state national guard units, but against unarmed civilians – and that they must be prepared to assess the legality of such orders. Any domestic deployment of federal troops must comply with the Department of Defense’s Rules for the Use of Force and with the constitution, including the Bill of Rights. Even under the Insurrection Act, federal troops may not lawfully shoot protesters unless they are literally defending their lives against an imminent threat – yet such conduct is already happening in Minneapolis at the hands of federal agents.
>
> Finally, it is not legal for federal troops to back up ICE agents who are behaving illegally.
matthieuC on
He’s deathly afraid of going to jail.
He’s trying to start a war, civil or otherwise, as an excuse to stay in power.
Its_Dylan_Parker on
This reads less like a theory and more like a warning.
Lopsided_Speaker_553 on
I did not have “The rise and fall of the Viertes Reich” on my 2026 batshit crazy bingo card.
That was naive of me.
Same_Set8195 on
We’re actually approaching the USA’s collapse.
TransitionalArk on
Wow, surprise… anyone paying attention is pretty sure that’s the whole point of Minnesota…
Purify5 on
You already have people afraid to leave their homes because government forces might apprehend and detain them without due process. The only ingredient missing is an attack by an organized resistance that can then be propagandized and used to exponentially increase the government oppression of the rebels.
willowswitch on
Sheesh. The Epstein files must be really really bad for him.
SinfullySinless on
Girl it’s going to be -40 in Minneapolis on Friday, my car didn’t start yesterday because the battery died from how cold it is. No civil war is starting here lol this is as intelligent as Germany invading Russia.
maeryclarity on
Be really clear it’s happening. The Epstein files are bad but what is happening in Minneapolis is incredibly bad as well, the surface of what is going on there has barely been scratched, if they don’t push forward and win the Authoritarianism game after what they’ve done there, then what they’ve done there will destroy their regime in short order.
We’re well beyond “Trump impeachment” and securely into “New Nuremberg Trials” territory and they will be fighting for their lives knowing that.
On the flip side we have to recognize that’s what is at stake for us as well. Do you want to live in a society where Noem’s goons have absolute immunity? Seriously?
One interesting effect that’s not being reported on is that building plans for a BUNCH of new ICE prison facilities….uhhhh concentration camps… local boards have RUSHED to revoke those permits, and this isn’t just in blue areas. It’s EVERYWHERE, all sorts of municipal governments are rushing to pass laws against new prison or holding facilities of any sort. And big warehouse complexes seem to have been part of their master plan but they are getting told no.
And I mean think about it. No matter how MAGA you are in theory, do you actually want those guys in YOUR town? Knowing once they get there they may never leave, and they have “absolute immunity ‘?
Yeah that’s how everyone is feeling.
synchronicityii on
This quote has been on my mind a lot lately:
>Every nonlinear transformation in history has taken people by surprise. As Alexei Yurchak explains in his book about the collapse of the Soviet Union—[*Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More*](https://press.princeton.edu/titles/8102.html)—systems look immutable until they suddenly disintegrate. As soon as they do, the disintegration retrospectively looks inevitable.
George Monbiot, 2019
_badmedicine on
America is facing its own trolley problem. The longer they delay, the larger the numbers grow on either track.
Barabarabbit on
There won’t be any Green on Green violence because the national guard will comply with the president if he takes control of them
The military will not save you Americans, you will have to get yourself out of this mess. You cannot hope for a saviour external to yourselves.
wiscopup on
No shit. I wish people read more and cared about education.
Read about the Spanish civil war. This is EXACTLY how it started.
RobertRoyal82 on
He might not look like it, but he is a cornered rat and he’s willing to take the entire world down so we don’t find out he’s a child molester pedophile sex trafficker.
Your lives are a risk he’s willing to take
ShadeBeing on
I was hoping to find out what the results of the simulation were and why.
namideus on
Yet it is still against the rules to wish harm to this man. Reddit defends Nazis.
dmh1984 on
Trump 100% wants a civil war and The Big Beautiful Bill has helped pay for his personal army.
Fluffy_Wolf_6198 on
Did you simulations also show you can get a healthy meal of a piece of chicken, a piece of broccoli and another item for $3?
mushpuppy on
A terrifying/sobering analysis which every US citizen should read.
and_so_forth on
Computer simulations telling the future accurately? Who’s the author, Hari Seldon?
9_to_5_till_i_die on
I just watched a video of ICE agents kidnapping a mother after she dropped her kids off at day care…right behind my house.
If they want civil war, I know damn well which side I’m on. The right’s in for a rude awakening if they think the left isn’t armed.
ScrogurtGoGurt on
Many, many people are dying and suffering every day in the US & around the world as a direct consequence of this admin. We’ve been at war, and it is definitely hot. It’s just one side doing the fighting.
Tolendario on
So basically trump is using ICE as bait
How does that resonate with you, lurking ice agent Reddit users?
DoubleScorpius on
Republicans have been wanting a civil war for a decade. It’s amazing how many Republican politicians have openly called for one, including MTG who’s now trying to pretend she hasn’t been part of breeding this hostility towards democratic principles that offend the Christian nationalists/white supremacists that make up the GOP base.
Primary-Albatross-93 on
Remember when the deep state killed Charlie Kirk then tried to blame it on the left.
emma279 on
Civil war started by the tech oligarchs who believe that humanity going extinct is not a bad thing [https://youtu.be/tphiJE01qxw?si=koveJw7fq02e-EK2](https://youtu.be/tphiJE01qxw?si=koveJw7fq02e-EK2)
EmmalouEsq on
He’s going to destroy a country so we don’t know his depravity until after he’s long gone. He’s never been told no or had any consequences in life, and he’ll ruin the lives of millions to save his own ass.
pacmain1 on
The 2nd US Civil War starting in Minnesota around the same time the US provokes the start of World War 3 was not on my bingo card for 2026, but here we are. Thanks, Trump and MAGA! And by thanks, I really mean burn in hell! 😃
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From the commentary:
> While our hypothetical scenario picked a different city and a slightly different sequence of events, the conclusions we reached about the possibility of green-on-green violence are directly applicable to the current situation. First, none of the participants – many of them senior former military and government officials – considered the scenario unrealistic, especially after the supreme court’s decision in Trump v United States, which granted the president criminal immunity for official acts.
>
> Second, we concluded that in a fast-moving emergency of this magnitude, courts would probably be unable or unwilling to intervene in time, leaving state officials without meaningful judicial relief. State officials might file emergency motions to enjoin the use of federal troops, but judges would either fail to respond quickly enough or decline to rule on what they view as a “political question”, leaving the conflict unresolved. This is why Judge Menendez’s ruling is so critical: it may be the last opportunity a federal judge has to intervene before matters spiral completely out of control.
>
> Third, we warned that senior military leaders could face orders to use force not only against state national guard units, but against unarmed civilians – and that they must be prepared to assess the legality of such orders. Any domestic deployment of federal troops must comply with the Department of Defense’s Rules for the Use of Force and with the constitution, including the Bill of Rights. Even under the Insurrection Act, federal troops may not lawfully shoot protesters unless they are literally defending their lives against an imminent threat – yet such conduct is already happening in Minneapolis at the hands of federal agents.
>
> Finally, it is not legal for federal troops to back up ICE agents who are behaving illegally.
He’s deathly afraid of going to jail.
He’s trying to start a war, civil or otherwise, as an excuse to stay in power.
This reads less like a theory and more like a warning.
I did not have “The rise and fall of the Viertes Reich” on my 2026 batshit crazy bingo card.
That was naive of me.
We’re actually approaching the USA’s collapse.
Wow, surprise… anyone paying attention is pretty sure that’s the whole point of Minnesota…
You already have people afraid to leave their homes because government forces might apprehend and detain them without due process. The only ingredient missing is an attack by an organized resistance that can then be propagandized and used to exponentially increase the government oppression of the rebels.
Sheesh. The Epstein files must be really really bad for him.
Girl it’s going to be -40 in Minneapolis on Friday, my car didn’t start yesterday because the battery died from how cold it is. No civil war is starting here lol this is as intelligent as Germany invading Russia.
Be really clear it’s happening. The Epstein files are bad but what is happening in Minneapolis is incredibly bad as well, the surface of what is going on there has barely been scratched, if they don’t push forward and win the Authoritarianism game after what they’ve done there, then what they’ve done there will destroy their regime in short order.
We’re well beyond “Trump impeachment” and securely into “New Nuremberg Trials” territory and they will be fighting for their lives knowing that.
On the flip side we have to recognize that’s what is at stake for us as well. Do you want to live in a society where Noem’s goons have absolute immunity? Seriously?
One interesting effect that’s not being reported on is that building plans for a BUNCH of new ICE prison facilities….uhhhh concentration camps… local boards have RUSHED to revoke those permits, and this isn’t just in blue areas. It’s EVERYWHERE, all sorts of municipal governments are rushing to pass laws against new prison or holding facilities of any sort. And big warehouse complexes seem to have been part of their master plan but they are getting told no.
And I mean think about it. No matter how MAGA you are in theory, do you actually want those guys in YOUR town? Knowing once they get there they may never leave, and they have “absolute immunity ‘?
Yeah that’s how everyone is feeling.
This quote has been on my mind a lot lately:
>Every nonlinear transformation in history has taken people by surprise. As Alexei Yurchak explains in his book about the collapse of the Soviet Union—[*Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More*](https://press.princeton.edu/titles/8102.html)—systems look immutable until they suddenly disintegrate. As soon as they do, the disintegration retrospectively looks inevitable.
George Monbiot, 2019
America is facing its own trolley problem. The longer they delay, the larger the numbers grow on either track.
There won’t be any Green on Green violence because the national guard will comply with the president if he takes control of them
The military will not save you Americans, you will have to get yourself out of this mess. You cannot hope for a saviour external to yourselves.
No shit. I wish people read more and cared about education.
Read about the Spanish civil war. This is EXACTLY how it started.
He might not look like it, but he is a cornered rat and he’s willing to take the entire world down so we don’t find out he’s a child molester pedophile sex trafficker.
Your lives are a risk he’s willing to take
I was hoping to find out what the results of the simulation were and why.
Yet it is still against the rules to wish harm to this man. Reddit defends Nazis.
Trump 100% wants a civil war and The Big Beautiful Bill has helped pay for his personal army.
Did you simulations also show you can get a healthy meal of a piece of chicken, a piece of broccoli and another item for $3?
A terrifying/sobering analysis which every US citizen should read.
Computer simulations telling the future accurately? Who’s the author, Hari Seldon?
I just watched a video of ICE agents kidnapping a mother after she dropped her kids off at day care…right behind my house.
If they want civil war, I know damn well which side I’m on. The right’s in for a rude awakening if they think the left isn’t armed.
Many, many people are dying and suffering every day in the US & around the world as a direct consequence of this admin. We’ve been at war, and it is definitely hot. It’s just one side doing the fighting.
So basically trump is using ICE as bait
How does that resonate with you, lurking ice agent Reddit users?
Republicans have been wanting a civil war for a decade. It’s amazing how many Republican politicians have openly called for one, including MTG who’s now trying to pretend she hasn’t been part of breeding this hostility towards democratic principles that offend the Christian nationalists/white supremacists that make up the GOP base.
Remember when the deep state killed Charlie Kirk then tried to blame it on the left.
Civil war started by the tech oligarchs who believe that humanity going extinct is not a bad thing [https://youtu.be/tphiJE01qxw?si=koveJw7fq02e-EK2](https://youtu.be/tphiJE01qxw?si=koveJw7fq02e-EK2)
He’s going to destroy a country so we don’t know his depravity until after he’s long gone. He’s never been told no or had any consequences in life, and he’ll ruin the lives of millions to save his own ass.
The 2nd US Civil War starting in Minnesota around the same time the US provokes the start of World War 3 was not on my bingo card for 2026, but here we are. Thanks, Trump and MAGA! And by thanks, I really mean burn in hell! 😃