Hard to imagine Poilievre is in real trouble without an alternative leader emerging. A lot of tories have to be thinking its too risky to create a power vacuum in a party that may not hold together if it has to hash out its contradictions in a leadership contest.
OkFix4074 on
PP is yesterdays news looking to stay relevant today , Sooner CPC drop this dead weight – it will be good for Canadian democracy and a viable opposition leader
DaOffensiveChicken on
pierre doesnt seem to realize that trump winning and starting hte 51st state rhetoric was basically canadas version of 9/11
the boomer vote he needs to win doesnt care about cost of living or the scandals of the previous government or any specific policy at all they just want someone to make them feel good about trump
i dont think he can do that canada wants a mark carney or stephen harper type leader right now whos well spoken and calm and professional not a flame thrower like pp
Ok_Smile9222 on
He’ll almost certainly survive this leadership review, and it’ll be a mistake. Yesterday while Carney is giving the biggest speech of his career, Pierre is tweeting about the carbon tax. The fucking carbon tax. Again.
Tiny-Albatross518 on
As a progressive voter I still want a good competitive Conservative party.
There must be an alternative, there must be brisk debate. A sick party limping along jn opposition is in the end bad for everyone.
Forward-Count-5230 on
As a conservative I don’t think he can be PM anytime soon due to circumstances outside of his control. He was always riding on being the disruptor of the current system and he would’ve destroyed Carney in an election if Trump didn’t win or just wasn’t as openly antagonizing Canada. I do believe that because of continued gloom on the domestic front he can ensure the Liberals won’t win a majority as Carney is great on the international stage but pretty awful on the domestic front and you can tell in his varying comfort levels. I think Pierre can definitely crave out a lane though by hammering Carney on talking a big game but not getting anything done (etc. announcements not equaling results on pipelines energy projects etc.). For example, if China really wants a pipeline and is willing to fund it will he just ignore First Nation opposition and get it built ? Will he get rid of some of the crazier Trudeau environmental regulations that is scaring off investment ? Cause as much as people maybe giving Carney a lot of room to run right now that won’t last forever.
banyanoak on
My guess is that smart potential leadership candidates understand that, in the eyes of Canadians, Carney is uniquely qualified for this particular moment. It would be unwise as a potential leader to shoot your shot right now. Better to wait until the next review, when Carney’s shine may be starting to come off, and when the NDP may have re-established themselves — the Liberals have a huge advantage so long as they have the left.
Probably rank and file Conservatives feel the same way and would also rather save a viable leader for a time when a win is actually possible.
WishRepresentative28 on
I really hope he hangs on by a small margin, thereby fracturing the party, and leaving it at the wayside, until Conservatives can wake up and show some competence.
Routine_Soup2022 on
The Liberals are about to move after Carney’s Davos speech yesterday. I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind of this. If it pulls from Conservative support, Poilievre will slip even further. I think it most likely will pull from Conservative support because people in the right-centre are starting to see that Carney is competent and a patriot.
I think every time Poilievre opens his mouth in parliament on for the next little while, he’s going to lose support. He is not in a good place right now.
Penske-Material78 on
Dude is still campaigning on the carbon tax. While the conservatives can do a lot worse, the future of the party will depend on someone who can do much better, and lay a vision for Canada that a majority can get behind
oddspellingofPhreid on
Maybe I’m trying to manifest dramatics, but I simply can’t imagine being a moderate/reputable CPC MP and backing Pollievre after the PM’s Davos speech. How can you look at the massive gap in leadership and feel good about your guy? How can you watch the Canadian PM lead the world in a conversation about realignment in the global order, and want to support the guy who spent the time tweeting about the carbon tax and can’t win his own riding? “Nostalgia is not a strategy” doesn’t jive with the politician who’s stuck in 2024.
I have to think that if Pollievre manages to survive, there will be a major splinter in the CPC of some sort.
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Hard to imagine Poilievre is in real trouble without an alternative leader emerging. A lot of tories have to be thinking its too risky to create a power vacuum in a party that may not hold together if it has to hash out its contradictions in a leadership contest.
PP is yesterdays news looking to stay relevant today , Sooner CPC drop this dead weight – it will be good for Canadian democracy and a viable opposition leader
pierre doesnt seem to realize that trump winning and starting hte 51st state rhetoric was basically canadas version of 9/11
the boomer vote he needs to win doesnt care about cost of living or the scandals of the previous government or any specific policy at all they just want someone to make them feel good about trump
i dont think he can do that canada wants a mark carney or stephen harper type leader right now whos well spoken and calm and professional not a flame thrower like pp
He’ll almost certainly survive this leadership review, and it’ll be a mistake. Yesterday while Carney is giving the biggest speech of his career, Pierre is tweeting about the carbon tax. The fucking carbon tax. Again.
As a progressive voter I still want a good competitive Conservative party.
There must be an alternative, there must be brisk debate. A sick party limping along jn opposition is in the end bad for everyone.
As a conservative I don’t think he can be PM anytime soon due to circumstances outside of his control. He was always riding on being the disruptor of the current system and he would’ve destroyed Carney in an election if Trump didn’t win or just wasn’t as openly antagonizing Canada. I do believe that because of continued gloom on the domestic front he can ensure the Liberals won’t win a majority as Carney is great on the international stage but pretty awful on the domestic front and you can tell in his varying comfort levels. I think Pierre can definitely crave out a lane though by hammering Carney on talking a big game but not getting anything done (etc. announcements not equaling results on pipelines energy projects etc.). For example, if China really wants a pipeline and is willing to fund it will he just ignore First Nation opposition and get it built ? Will he get rid of some of the crazier Trudeau environmental regulations that is scaring off investment ? Cause as much as people maybe giving Carney a lot of room to run right now that won’t last forever.
My guess is that smart potential leadership candidates understand that, in the eyes of Canadians, Carney is uniquely qualified for this particular moment. It would be unwise as a potential leader to shoot your shot right now. Better to wait until the next review, when Carney’s shine may be starting to come off, and when the NDP may have re-established themselves — the Liberals have a huge advantage so long as they have the left.
Probably rank and file Conservatives feel the same way and would also rather save a viable leader for a time when a win is actually possible.
I really hope he hangs on by a small margin, thereby fracturing the party, and leaving it at the wayside, until Conservatives can wake up and show some competence.
The Liberals are about to move after Carney’s Davos speech yesterday. I have absolutely zero doubt in my mind of this. If it pulls from Conservative support, Poilievre will slip even further. I think it most likely will pull from Conservative support because people in the right-centre are starting to see that Carney is competent and a patriot.
I think every time Poilievre opens his mouth in parliament on for the next little while, he’s going to lose support. He is not in a good place right now.
Dude is still campaigning on the carbon tax. While the conservatives can do a lot worse, the future of the party will depend on someone who can do much better, and lay a vision for Canada that a majority can get behind
Maybe I’m trying to manifest dramatics, but I simply can’t imagine being a moderate/reputable CPC MP and backing Pollievre after the PM’s Davos speech. How can you look at the massive gap in leadership and feel good about your guy? How can you watch the Canadian PM lead the world in a conversation about realignment in the global order, and want to support the guy who spent the time tweeting about the carbon tax and can’t win his own riding? “Nostalgia is not a strategy” doesn’t jive with the politician who’s stuck in 2024.
I have to think that if Pollievre manages to survive, there will be a major splinter in the CPC of some sort.