Carney said that the old U.S.-led order is breaking down, and middle powers like Canada need new frameworks. Trump’s speeches and actions — from trade wars to unilateral moves like Greenland — practically proved his point: the old system can’t be relied on.
Sad_Confection5902 on
He didn’t declare… he acknowledged. There’s a huge distinction. I’m so tired of headline journalism in the digital age.
Every bending of the truth for clicks lessens our shared understanding.
OneTrueDarthMaster on
Make deals with china for EVs which are on the liberals top priorities agenda in order to phase out combustion engines. Pretty soon our vehicles are gonna be banned just like guns and you’ll get them confiscated for 1/3 or possibly 0% of thier cost in return if you “dont act” fast enough.
Gotta love it. 🙄
Also don’t forget China’s massive human rights issues, like the Uyghur concentration camps where they force labour, re-education, oh yeah and sterilizing them.
But yeah sure let’s be china’s best friend.
Godzilla52 on
It’s not really that radical of a statement. We’re working with fellow NATO members and other liberal democracies to uphold the rules based order now that the U.S has abandoned it under Trump. If the U.S returns to normalcy/sanity and relations continue mostly as they were before Trump, then that’s great, but If not then we all have to pull our weight collectively to make sure some form of that project endures.
huunnuuh on
The PM is right to speak of needing to seek alliances and informal working arrangements with other middle powers as an emerging counter-bulwark to the new hegemons.
But may I point to the ocean in between us and any such partners?
The United States and China seem to be in a new cold war, both aiming to be hegemon of the ocean. The United States currently holds that status, inherited from the British Empire, but it is unclear whether it can really hold it long-term in the face of China’s industrial capabilities. China will eventually be able to simply build a much larger navy, if it wants to. Most place the inflection point for power in the late 2030s but maybe sooner.
There’s another mini-hegemon, you know. Russia. Can it continue to stand alone? Both America and China seem to be courting Russia, in their own ways. Between that and the whole Greenland thing it feels as if things are closing on all sides. Regardless of whichever hegemon prevails on the world ocean question, we may be cut off from whichever friends we might have out there.
That leads us back to autonomy. Build for the worst, hope for the best.
I keep coming back to the unusual Hao map projections which are meant to try and visualize the world in a new way.
This author is acting like like they just realized that the US is maybe not a universal force for good.. and doubly shocked that other countries have known this for quite some time.
cue “are we the baddies?”
NocD on
It’s wild that something like 11 out of 12 trending posts on this sub are around this speech, is there really that much to say about it? Not knocking the speech to be clear but it has been quite the media circus.
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Carney said that the old U.S.-led order is breaking down, and middle powers like Canada need new frameworks. Trump’s speeches and actions — from trade wars to unilateral moves like Greenland — practically proved his point: the old system can’t be relied on.
He didn’t declare… he acknowledged. There’s a huge distinction. I’m so tired of headline journalism in the digital age.
Every bending of the truth for clicks lessens our shared understanding.
Make deals with china for EVs which are on the liberals top priorities agenda in order to phase out combustion engines. Pretty soon our vehicles are gonna be banned just like guns and you’ll get them confiscated for 1/3 or possibly 0% of thier cost in return if you “dont act” fast enough.
Gotta love it. 🙄
Also don’t forget China’s massive human rights issues, like the Uyghur concentration camps where they force labour, re-education, oh yeah and sterilizing them.
But yeah sure let’s be china’s best friend.
It’s not really that radical of a statement. We’re working with fellow NATO members and other liberal democracies to uphold the rules based order now that the U.S has abandoned it under Trump. If the U.S returns to normalcy/sanity and relations continue mostly as they were before Trump, then that’s great, but If not then we all have to pull our weight collectively to make sure some form of that project endures.
The PM is right to speak of needing to seek alliances and informal working arrangements with other middle powers as an emerging counter-bulwark to the new hegemons.
But may I point to the ocean in between us and any such partners?
The United States and China seem to be in a new cold war, both aiming to be hegemon of the ocean. The United States currently holds that status, inherited from the British Empire, but it is unclear whether it can really hold it long-term in the face of China’s industrial capabilities. China will eventually be able to simply build a much larger navy, if it wants to. Most place the inflection point for power in the late 2030s but maybe sooner.
There’s another mini-hegemon, you know. Russia. Can it continue to stand alone? Both America and China seem to be courting Russia, in their own ways. Between that and the whole Greenland thing it feels as if things are closing on all sides. Regardless of whichever hegemon prevails on the world ocean question, we may be cut off from whichever friends we might have out there.
That leads us back to autonomy. Build for the worst, hope for the best.
I keep coming back to the unusual Hao map projections which are meant to try and visualize the world in a new way.
[The northern projection](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/db/Hao_projection_%28north%29.png)
[Southern projection](https://priorprobability.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/img_5360.jpg). Same projection [rotated with the Northeast and Northwest passages drawn](https://www.flyingpenguin.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/chinaarcticmap-scaled.jpg).
https://medium.com/the-diplomatic-pouch/analysis-a-top-down-worldview-how-world-maps-relegate-the-arctics-importance-and-how-china-is-ba0f514a129d
This author is acting like like they just realized that the US is maybe not a universal force for good.. and doubly shocked that other countries have known this for quite some time.
cue “are we the baddies?”
It’s wild that something like 11 out of 12 trending posts on this sub are around this speech, is there really that much to say about it? Not knocking the speech to be clear but it has been quite the media circus.