Still though, there is something incredibly funny about Trump saving our asses on this one.
Brewer6066 on
This was always a shit idea but this does make clear that we only went ahead because the US wanted us to. Once their president publicly says it’s a bad idea it’s pretty straightforward to cancel it. I imagine US intelligence was working overtime to try and save it.
GivenUpOnTrying on
Fuck yes!!!!
I absolutely hate that this has any relation to Trump, but the deal was abhorrent anyway.
Britain has an obligation to the Chaos islanders, NOT to Mauritius.
nerdyPagaman on
Why don’t we just walk away from the whole thing.
If the US wants the base, they can pay for it.
bahumat42 on
On the one hand its bad for the u-turn counter and bad to be seen following trumps lead.
But on the other hand I never understood the point of it and this might be better. Conflicting emotions.
Careful-Region-9934 on
I’m just glad for the ChagosIan people who have been fighting hard against this government as they did not care about their feelings or futures and were willing to had them over to Mauritius whose culture& general lives are completely different and it’s a win for the British Economy has we are saving millions I am really glad that it’s gone this way especially with how things are with China
No-Risk-2584 on
This is so fucking hilarious to me.
The Americans were the one pushing the Chagos deal, and now because of Trump trying to pressure and humiliate Starmer because he wouldn’t cave on Greenland (by saying the Chagos deal was terrible), the UK now pulls out of it completely.
This is not what the Americans wanted at all. Trump overplayed and the US officials who wanted this must be furious.
Perfect for us though.
Cielo11 on
This week the Tories and the Media have been using this as another reasons to attack Starmer.
So just wanted to remind everyone that the negotiations on Chagos sovereignty started in 2022 and the final parts of the deal were still in negotiation 2 weeks before the General Election.
Also, I believe when the deal was made official the US was given the chance to veto, but didn’t. Now Trump is doing a Trump (his opinion is made up on the spot or previous things he has said he has forgotten or his opinion is based on the last person he spoke to about it)
February:
> Trump said “I think we’ll be inclined to go along with your country”. (Talking about UKs Chagos decision)
> After the agreement was signed in May, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement that Washington “welcomed” the deal.
Adm_Shelby2 on
Right decision for the wrong reasons but I’ll take it.
Nob-Biscuits on
Starmer pulls Trumps Chagos deal following Trump backlash
*Fixed
FoxtrotThem on
Thank god for that, now just drop all of the OSA and Digital ID shite and I might just not think of them as a party of complete clowns.
DavidoMcG on
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
We finally found one good thing from Donald Trump becoming president.
Due_Ad_3200 on
I wonder if the current government of Mauritius regret insisting on renegotiation after the last government had agreed to a deal
Surely this delayed the ratification of the agreement, even though they would have known there was opposition to it within the UK.
NoPhilosopher3590 on
Fucking aye! Best thing to happen to the UK from Trump. So much in the UK needs fixing. Dont waste money to extend another countries influence in a far off land.
We can make more friends with trade than with war. Enough now. Focus on home.
We need cohesion in this country
Sorry-Programmer9826 on
If we were paying billions to keep our own base that would be one thing. But paying billions so the ungrateful Americans can keep their base. That seems like a terrible idea
sober_disposition on
Our islands!
Seriously, this was the most expensive attempt at virtue signalling in history.
Defiant-Sand9498 on
Can we just recognize that America isn’t our friend any more and just ignore what comes out of the white house
jimjamuk73 on
Sweet let the UN declare our hold on the islands as illegal. We can leave and leave it up to the US to hold onto it or close the base down. At least we aren’t giving billions away as part of this deal
StreamWave190 on
To be clear, this isn’t just like ‘Starmer doesn’t want to annoy Trump’.
The deal is simply illegal unless the United States agrees to it.
We’re subject to the 1966 British-American Chagos Agreement, which includes that the territory itself remains soveriegn British land but then essentially leased to the USA.
If we then give up the land (as we would in this deal) and the US objects, then we’re in breach of the treaty we signed with them.
It’s also not clear to me whether Trump is doing this just to put pressure on Britain over Greenland. I mean, maybe that is part of it. But frankly, nobody from either the British or American governments has ever been able to explain what on earth we stand to gain from this ‘deal’ with Mauritius. The lack of any even remotely coherent or plausible rational justificaiton is what’s got much of the public so nonplussed about it.
So I wonder if what’s happened is that, before, Trump had basically been told by some deep state national security egghead that “it’s all fine Mr President, just sign here please”, but what’s happened since is he’s gone back on social media or watched cable news and realised what he’d given his approval to. Or, frankly, someone from his inner circle has just whispered in his ear and said “Sir, i think we need to rethink this…”
Like, if it helps him with Greenland then I’m sure he’s happy about that. But I don’t buy that that’s the only reason. After all, if his problem with Greenland is he doesn’t like indefinite leases, then why would he be okay with a specifically time-limited lease in Diego Garcia?
ADRWargaming on
Wow, a decent outcome )even if forced by Trump) for once.
fukthefeed on
I hope this was always part of the plan, say well give it back, cause a fuss, get some concession from the US, do a U turn.
joshuarse_ on
Can someone explain what’s going on here?
I’m not very clued up on this situation?
Thanks
ash_ninetyone on
It was a shit deal anyway.
But it was shit regardless of the US saying it.
But don’t forget Trump lauded it first.
Ill_Conversation6145 on
Wonder how long before Trump calls this U-turn a bad idea?
xhatsux on
A lot of people here making out like trump shot himself in the foot, but he likely changed his position due to this letter signed by former generals warning him not to do it and calling the deal ‘an act of stupididty’.
Why did Mauritius have a hand in this? Because of their proximity?
lNFORMATlVE on
So is the sun going to never set on the British Empire again?
governmenttookmaporn on
Just scrap the whole idea tell Mauritius and everybody else to fuck off and we crack on like we did yesterday.
Ridiculous notion to begin with
MichaelTh96 on
Sometimes the bull in the china shop runs out of the door…
veerKg_CSS_Geologist on
UK remains, as ever, a vassal of the US.
Gonna be awkward when the US position changes again in a few years. Then the UK will have to pay even more.
InterestedPrawn on
Good, absolutely ridiculous move. Not only giving up the island, but paying another country that never had control over it to take it.
Also means the sun is yet to set on the British Empire.
Repulsive_Bus_7202 on
Given that it was negotiated largely by the Tory government for five years before it was agreed, you’d think they’d have realised that it might be an issue.
NateShaw92 on
Another U-turn even if it is the correct decision. Media will have his guts for garters.
ukredimps2k on
The right decision.
But my word- yet another U-turn by this guy.
BlazeFireHorse76 on
Right decision for the right reasons.
UK needs to look after its own interests just like every other bloody country in the world.
felface on
so the tories started these negotiations, labour finished them with support from Trump. Starmer calls out Trump over Greenland and Trump says it’s a dumb idea so the lords is holding up the deal?
_c0ldburN_ on
Why did you write pulls ‘deal’ when the headline states ‘pulls bill’ which is entirely different…
painteroftheword on
A lot of people commenting who don’t appear to actually know anything about why the deal was made in the first place and are just parroting anti-Labour lines.
The Chagos deal arose through a combination of international courts insisting the UK hand the island back, and the UK needing to retain access for the US-UK military base on Diego Garcia.
We weren’t handing them to Mauritius and renting them back for shits and giggles. It’s a strategically important location for the USA and not long ago that also served UK interests to maintain.
I expect saner heads in the USA administration are currently trying to convince Trump to talk with Starmer and get the Chagos deal back on the table.
_c0ldburN_ on
If the Chagos deal was pulled, you’d be getting Sky and BBC push notifications.
sammy_conn on
Did he get a belly rub and some Bonios off papa Trump too?
Great_Gabel on
Perhaps we can use all that saved cash for something useful then??
SpecialTitle6686 on
ITT: So many people wanting to give away legitimate UK territory and pay 34 billion to someone else to do it.
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A stopped clock and all that.
Still though, there is something incredibly funny about Trump saving our asses on this one.
This was always a shit idea but this does make clear that we only went ahead because the US wanted us to. Once their president publicly says it’s a bad idea it’s pretty straightforward to cancel it. I imagine US intelligence was working overtime to try and save it.
Fuck yes!!!!
I absolutely hate that this has any relation to Trump, but the deal was abhorrent anyway.
Britain has an obligation to the Chaos islanders, NOT to Mauritius.
Why don’t we just walk away from the whole thing.
If the US wants the base, they can pay for it.
On the one hand its bad for the u-turn counter and bad to be seen following trumps lead.
But on the other hand I never understood the point of it and this might be better. Conflicting emotions.
I’m just glad for the ChagosIan people who have been fighting hard against this government as they did not care about their feelings or futures and were willing to had them over to Mauritius whose culture& general lives are completely different and it’s a win for the British Economy has we are saving millions I am really glad that it’s gone this way especially with how things are with China
This is so fucking hilarious to me.
The Americans were the one pushing the Chagos deal, and now because of Trump trying to pressure and humiliate Starmer because he wouldn’t cave on Greenland (by saying the Chagos deal was terrible), the UK now pulls out of it completely.
This is not what the Americans wanted at all. Trump overplayed and the US officials who wanted this must be furious.
Perfect for us though.
This week the Tories and the Media have been using this as another reasons to attack Starmer.
So just wanted to remind everyone that the negotiations on Chagos sovereignty started in 2022 and the final parts of the deal were still in negotiation 2 weeks before the General Election.
Also, I believe when the deal was made official the US was given the chance to veto, but didn’t. Now Trump is doing a Trump (his opinion is made up on the spot or previous things he has said he has forgotten or his opinion is based on the last person he spoke to about it)
February:
> Trump said “I think we’ll be inclined to go along with your country”. (Talking about UKs Chagos decision)
> After the agreement was signed in May, US Secretary of State Marco Rubio said in a statement that Washington “welcomed” the deal.
Right decision for the wrong reasons but I’ll take it.
Starmer pulls Trumps Chagos deal following Trump backlash
*Fixed
Thank god for that, now just drop all of the OSA and Digital ID shite and I might just not think of them as a party of complete clowns.
The sun never sets on the British Empire!
We finally found one good thing from Donald Trump becoming president.
I wonder if the current government of Mauritius regret insisting on renegotiation after the last government had agreed to a deal
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/mauritius-pm-calls-renegotiation-chagos-islands-deal-with-uk-2024-12-17/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/12/18/prime-minister-of-mauritius-opens-talks-with-uk-over-chagos-islands-deal
Surely this delayed the ratification of the agreement, even though they would have known there was opposition to it within the UK.
Fucking aye! Best thing to happen to the UK from Trump. So much in the UK needs fixing. Dont waste money to extend another countries influence in a far off land.
We can make more friends with trade than with war. Enough now. Focus on home.
We need cohesion in this country
If we were paying billions to keep our own base that would be one thing. But paying billions so the ungrateful Americans can keep their base. That seems like a terrible idea
Our islands!
Seriously, this was the most expensive attempt at virtue signalling in history.
Can we just recognize that America isn’t our friend any more and just ignore what comes out of the white house
Sweet let the UN declare our hold on the islands as illegal. We can leave and leave it up to the US to hold onto it or close the base down. At least we aren’t giving billions away as part of this deal
To be clear, this isn’t just like ‘Starmer doesn’t want to annoy Trump’.
The deal is simply illegal unless the United States agrees to it.
We’re subject to the 1966 British-American Chagos Agreement, which includes that the territory itself remains soveriegn British land but then essentially leased to the USA.
If we then give up the land (as we would in this deal) and the US objects, then we’re in breach of the treaty we signed with them.
It’s also not clear to me whether Trump is doing this just to put pressure on Britain over Greenland. I mean, maybe that is part of it. But frankly, nobody from either the British or American governments has ever been able to explain what on earth we stand to gain from this ‘deal’ with Mauritius. The lack of any even remotely coherent or plausible rational justificaiton is what’s got much of the public so nonplussed about it.
So I wonder if what’s happened is that, before, Trump had basically been told by some deep state national security egghead that “it’s all fine Mr President, just sign here please”, but what’s happened since is he’s gone back on social media or watched cable news and realised what he’d given his approval to. Or, frankly, someone from his inner circle has just whispered in his ear and said “Sir, i think we need to rethink this…”
Like, if it helps him with Greenland then I’m sure he’s happy about that. But I don’t buy that that’s the only reason. After all, if his problem with Greenland is he doesn’t like indefinite leases, then why would he be okay with a specifically time-limited lease in Diego Garcia?
Wow, a decent outcome )even if forced by Trump) for once.
I hope this was always part of the plan, say well give it back, cause a fuss, get some concession from the US, do a U turn.
Can someone explain what’s going on here?
I’m not very clued up on this situation?
Thanks
It was a shit deal anyway.
But it was shit regardless of the US saying it.
But don’t forget Trump lauded it first.
Wonder how long before Trump calls this U-turn a bad idea?
A lot of people here making out like trump shot himself in the foot, but he likely changed his position due to this letter signed by former generals warning him not to do it and calling the deal ‘an act of stupididty’.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-warned-against-chagos-deal-133203260.html
Why did Mauritius have a hand in this? Because of their proximity?
So is the sun going to never set on the British Empire again?
Just scrap the whole idea tell Mauritius and everybody else to fuck off and we crack on like we did yesterday.
Ridiculous notion to begin with
Sometimes the bull in the china shop runs out of the door…
UK remains, as ever, a vassal of the US.
Gonna be awkward when the US position changes again in a few years. Then the UK will have to pay even more.
Good, absolutely ridiculous move. Not only giving up the island, but paying another country that never had control over it to take it.
Also means the sun is yet to set on the British Empire.
Given that it was negotiated largely by the Tory government for five years before it was agreed, you’d think they’d have realised that it might be an issue.
Another U-turn even if it is the correct decision. Media will have his guts for garters.
The right decision.
But my word- yet another U-turn by this guy.
Right decision for the right reasons.
UK needs to look after its own interests just like every other bloody country in the world.
so the tories started these negotiations, labour finished them with support from Trump. Starmer calls out Trump over Greenland and Trump says it’s a dumb idea so the lords is holding up the deal?
Why did you write pulls ‘deal’ when the headline states ‘pulls bill’ which is entirely different…
A lot of people commenting who don’t appear to actually know anything about why the deal was made in the first place and are just parroting anti-Labour lines.
The Chagos deal arose through a combination of international courts insisting the UK hand the island back, and the UK needing to retain access for the US-UK military base on Diego Garcia.
We weren’t handing them to Mauritius and renting them back for shits and giggles. It’s a strategically important location for the USA and not long ago that also served UK interests to maintain.
I expect saner heads in the USA administration are currently trying to convince Trump to talk with Starmer and get the Chagos deal back on the table.
If the Chagos deal was pulled, you’d be getting Sky and BBC push notifications.
Did he get a belly rub and some Bonios off papa Trump too?
Perhaps we can use all that saved cash for something useful then??
ITT: So many people wanting to give away legitimate UK territory and pay 34 billion to someone else to do it.