As an IT guy, I’m indignant with putting my profession together with influencers
EDIT: translated to eng
Glass-News-9184 on
The question is whether Poland’s economic success depends so much on IT people earning 20k per month that we should all subsidize them. It’s really not about computational scholars or high-level AI specialists.
bamboooooooozle on
The tax threshold has to increase it’s downright tyrannical that they increase minimum wage but don’t move tax brackets.
Who exactly is the lower tax bracket for??
ConchitaLeaoDeWurst on
It’s laughable to think a significant number of people will leave a place with apt job opportunities, high quality of life, and very low crime rates because they start making 3,5 times instead of 4 times the minimum wage.
AlienAway on
Zero chances with passing this law in current political climate.
numitus on
Poland is an only country where people with x3 average salary pay less % of tax, then people with average salary
MajkiF on
How about lowering taxation for those 3 millions ppl?
OwnNet5253 on
Or file jointly with your spouse if has lower earnings – problem solved.
EDIT: rephrased my comment, as my intention was not to suggest marrying someone, just because he/she makes small amount of money.
Glittering-Ad8503 on
I hope they will do that this yearÂ
Adventurous-Bread306 on
I work in IT on UoP, people complaining about not being a good option are blinded with greed. I still make many times the minimum salary and live a comfortable life. I pay my taxes and contribute to the development of the country. Engineers on fake B2B contracts are just too accustomed and greedy, and you can downvote me all you want.
In comparison with my colleagues in Sweden, I earn net almost the same as they do.
aneq on
Lol. lmao even.
Anyone thinking it’s going to happen is so delusional it hurts.
Messing with tax brackets will not yield enough money to risk messing with the governments core electorate. The gain does not outweigh the cost.
Pełczyńska is posturing so she can get off a sinking ship her party turned into, perhaps to some left wing part, that’s all.
She is right that 2nd bracket starting so outrageously low is unfair and it should start at 200k or 250k even.
Krzyniu on
Sraken pierdaken, skończyło się eldorado w IT i w Polsce pozostały już tylko dwa zawody gdzie można godnie żyć. W drugi próg podatkowy nadal wchodzi 10% społeczeństwa. Nie że mnie aż tak dupa boli że ja nie, po prostu wszyscy mamy przejebane, a IT trochę mniej
masi0 on
then try Romania, they have low tax for IT
veevoir on
The “you must earn X to be in higher bracket” amount should be (politician) hands-off amount, auto updated yearly along with minimal/average pay.
Because this is what happens where tax threshold are not auto-updated by law. They become (1) silent tax increase as more and more people will fall into outdated bracket amount and (2) politicians can use “updating the bracket” as voter bait during election.
Meanwhile fake B2B (B2B that is only for one exclusive employer – basically it is becoming a JDG just to avoid taxes) is a problem, from perspective of the government, she is right about that.
mewil666 on
you really believe that the government is going to change anything in this country?
DeliciousPestilence on
As a self-employed programmer who pays 12% and contributes little to society, yeah honestly this makes fucking sense.
And unless something has dramatically changed in the last few years, Spain has better pay equality and is much less lenient towards people like us.
qerel123 on
sir they won’t pass shit, even if there was a consensus towards this bill then someone at KO will just say “no” and the rest of ruling coalition will just fold
CYG4N on
dlaczego oni zawsze równajÄ… do doÅ‚u…Â
lpiero on
teachers, nurses 😀 hillarious, poorest group mentioned as an argument to lower taxes of people earning 300-500k easily
numitus on
Good luck in spain
Income tax rates (spain)
Taxable income bands Tax Rate
Up to €12,450 19%
€12,450 – €20,200 24%
€20,200 – €35,200 30%
€35,200 – €60,000 37%
€60,000– €300,000 45%
Excess 47%
harumamburoo on
Good initiative, backward implementation. Why not introduce multiple brackets and boxes like they do in the Netherlands? Also, how about increase corporate income tax?
The new brackets could relieve those who live on the edge of the current bracket and suffers financially at the end of the year, and apply more burden on those who earns significantly more than the current bracket. And bigger companies with the highest revenue could contribute more.
Also also, no way they’re going to change anything.
Siedlec on
Wow if 10K PLN per month is being rich then someone’s here is copium here rly hard, in fact 2nd threshold should be rised.
Brodeon on
Jestem tym mitycznym informatykiem. Wielu z nas w tym ja pracuje na etacie i też nas drugi próg jebie po plecach. Drugi próg powinien się skalować na podstawie wielokrotności średniej krajowej z ostatniego roku.
More-Host4806 on
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Bob-mp on
Well, best will remain in IT, useless ones will be replaced by AI. Horse wagons were also replaced by cars and candles by lightbulbs.
TypicalBloke83 on
I might earn a lot in IT but I’m not on B2B hence from June I’m paying higher taxes as anyone else.
morswinb on
Last year I resigned from my UoP job in February to avoid the 32% rate + 9% health insurance + ZUS and enjoyed a long break.
This year started 12% tax + flat zus B2B + VAT.
If the system rewards you for avoiding UoP then just quit it.
SleepyProgrammer on
Yeah, well, not everyone in IT is on B2B, way to go with pitting one against the other
Fun_Highlight9147 on
I think everyone should pay equally.
19 percent is fair.
There are VAT taxes on everything people buy already.
I would prefer higher VAT taxes on consumption and lower brackets like 9 and 19 percent, so people are insentivised to work legally.
Past_Owl_6978 on
It’s cute that she thinks that IT people are the most wealthy in Polish society. They still work a job, you know… middle class. Working. Like me and most of us here.
Higher class doesn’t work, because they own stuff. They are THE wealthy people. Not the middle class professionals.
Leftist propaganda aimed at easy target, as usual. “IT-aristocracy” hate worked 10 years ago, it may work today too. It’s easier to hate middle class professionals than people who own 10 apartments. Or people who are directors in private companies. Those people have money and influence in their local communities, it’s risky to hate them.
Ok-Cake-4707 on
“Ich dochody w listopadzie czy grudniu spadnÄ… nawet o kilka tysiÄ™cy zÅ‚otych” – for fuck’s sake, how I hate such manipulative bullshit.
Btw, wouldn’t it make more sense to take a screenshot of a translated tweet, if you’re posting it in this sub?
Necessary-Mix-56 on
She have 0 influence on anything all party is under 1 %. They are joke for future elections.
zandrew on
I do not understand why these thresholds are not a multiple of the minimum wage.
bitplenty on
> drugi próg podatkowy
> najbogatszych
lol
MadTeemo on
I just want them to move the 120k limit to something like 200k. I don’t care about B2B. But 32% tax on an income that is not even that high is criminal
bombuszek on
Wystarczyłoby maksymalnie uprościć system i już wam przestawiam uczciwą koncepcję.
Jednolity podatek bez rozdziału na PIT, składkę zdrowotną i ZUS.
Wszyscy płacą określony procent ustalony zgodnie z potrzebami z kwotą wolną, która nie zależy do wymysłu polityków tylko rośnie wraz z medianą wynagrodzeń.
Stosujemy te same stawki bez względu na formę zatrudnienia. Likwidujemy w ten sposób patologię fakowej jdg.
W ten sposób najbiedniejsi będą mieli ogromną ulgę, bo będzie ona realna nie dotycząca tylko PIT, który w przypadku osób pracujących za najniższą krajową i tak waży mało, a osoby o wyższych dochodach nie wpadną w drugi próg.
Żeby system się zbilansował i państwo nie popadło w większe długi to proponuję podatek od gigantów cyfrowych, windfall tax dla korporacji, które wykorzystywały międzynarodową koniunkturę do nadmiarowych zysków.
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As an IT guy, I’m indignant with putting my profession together with influencers
EDIT: translated to eng
The question is whether Poland’s economic success depends so much on IT people earning 20k per month that we should all subsidize them. It’s really not about computational scholars or high-level AI specialists.
The tax threshold has to increase it’s downright tyrannical that they increase minimum wage but don’t move tax brackets.
Who exactly is the lower tax bracket for??
It’s laughable to think a significant number of people will leave a place with apt job opportunities, high quality of life, and very low crime rates because they start making 3,5 times instead of 4 times the minimum wage.
Zero chances with passing this law in current political climate.
Poland is an only country where people with x3 average salary pay less % of tax, then people with average salary
How about lowering taxation for those 3 millions ppl?
Or file jointly with your spouse if has lower earnings – problem solved.
EDIT: rephrased my comment, as my intention was not to suggest marrying someone, just because he/she makes small amount of money.
I hope they will do that this yearÂ
I work in IT on UoP, people complaining about not being a good option are blinded with greed. I still make many times the minimum salary and live a comfortable life. I pay my taxes and contribute to the development of the country. Engineers on fake B2B contracts are just too accustomed and greedy, and you can downvote me all you want.
In comparison with my colleagues in Sweden, I earn net almost the same as they do.
Lol. lmao even.
Anyone thinking it’s going to happen is so delusional it hurts.
Messing with tax brackets will not yield enough money to risk messing with the governments core electorate. The gain does not outweigh the cost.
Pełczyńska is posturing so she can get off a sinking ship her party turned into, perhaps to some left wing part, that’s all.
She is right that 2nd bracket starting so outrageously low is unfair and it should start at 200k or 250k even.
Sraken pierdaken, skończyło się eldorado w IT i w Polsce pozostały już tylko dwa zawody gdzie można godnie żyć. W drugi próg podatkowy nadal wchodzi 10% społeczeństwa. Nie że mnie aż tak dupa boli że ja nie, po prostu wszyscy mamy przejebane, a IT trochę mniej
then try Romania, they have low tax for IT
The “you must earn X to be in higher bracket” amount should be (politician) hands-off amount, auto updated yearly along with minimal/average pay.
Because this is what happens where tax threshold are not auto-updated by law. They become (1) silent tax increase as more and more people will fall into outdated bracket amount and (2) politicians can use “updating the bracket” as voter bait during election.
Meanwhile fake B2B (B2B that is only for one exclusive employer – basically it is becoming a JDG just to avoid taxes) is a problem, from perspective of the government, she is right about that.
you really believe that the government is going to change anything in this country?
As a self-employed programmer who pays 12% and contributes little to society, yeah honestly this makes fucking sense.
And unless something has dramatically changed in the last few years, Spain has better pay equality and is much less lenient towards people like us.
sir they won’t pass shit, even if there was a consensus towards this bill then someone at KO will just say “no” and the rest of ruling coalition will just fold
dlaczego oni zawsze równajÄ… do doÅ‚u…Â
teachers, nurses 😀 hillarious, poorest group mentioned as an argument to lower taxes of people earning 300-500k easily
Good luck in spain
Income tax rates (spain)
Taxable income bands Tax Rate
Up to €12,450 19%
€12,450 – €20,200 24%
€20,200 – €35,200 30%
€35,200 – €60,000 37%
€60,000– €300,000 45%
Excess 47%
Good initiative, backward implementation. Why not introduce multiple brackets and boxes like they do in the Netherlands? Also, how about increase corporate income tax?
The new brackets could relieve those who live on the edge of the current bracket and suffers financially at the end of the year, and apply more burden on those who earns significantly more than the current bracket. And bigger companies with the highest revenue could contribute more.
Also also, no way they’re going to change anything.
Wow if 10K PLN per month is being rich then someone’s here is copium here rly hard, in fact 2nd threshold should be rised.
Jestem tym mitycznym informatykiem. Wielu z nas w tym ja pracuje na etacie i też nas drugi próg jebie po plecach. Drugi próg powinien się skalować na podstawie wielokrotności średniej krajowej z ostatniego roku.
trochÄ™ mi siÄ™ szlachta przypomniaÅ‚aÂ
Well, best will remain in IT, useless ones will be replaced by AI. Horse wagons were also replaced by cars and candles by lightbulbs.
I might earn a lot in IT but I’m not on B2B hence from June I’m paying higher taxes as anyone else.
Last year I resigned from my UoP job in February to avoid the 32% rate + 9% health insurance + ZUS and enjoyed a long break.
This year started 12% tax + flat zus B2B + VAT.
If the system rewards you for avoiding UoP then just quit it.
Yeah, well, not everyone in IT is on B2B, way to go with pitting one against the other
I think everyone should pay equally.
19 percent is fair.
There are VAT taxes on everything people buy already.
I would prefer higher VAT taxes on consumption and lower brackets like 9 and 19 percent, so people are insentivised to work legally.
It’s cute that she thinks that IT people are the most wealthy in Polish society. They still work a job, you know… middle class. Working. Like me and most of us here.
Higher class doesn’t work, because they own stuff. They are THE wealthy people. Not the middle class professionals.
Leftist propaganda aimed at easy target, as usual. “IT-aristocracy” hate worked 10 years ago, it may work today too. It’s easier to hate middle class professionals than people who own 10 apartments. Or people who are directors in private companies. Those people have money and influence in their local communities, it’s risky to hate them.
“Ich dochody w listopadzie czy grudniu spadnÄ… nawet o kilka tysiÄ™cy zÅ‚otych” – for fuck’s sake, how I hate such manipulative bullshit.
Btw, wouldn’t it make more sense to take a screenshot of a translated tweet, if you’re posting it in this sub?
She have 0 influence on anything all party is under 1 %. They are joke for future elections.
I do not understand why these thresholds are not a multiple of the minimum wage.
> drugi próg podatkowy
> najbogatszych
lol
I just want them to move the 120k limit to something like 200k. I don’t care about B2B. But 32% tax on an income that is not even that high is criminal
Wystarczyłoby maksymalnie uprościć system i już wam przestawiam uczciwą koncepcję.
Jednolity podatek bez rozdziału na PIT, składkę zdrowotną i ZUS.
Wszyscy płacą określony procent ustalony zgodnie z potrzebami z kwotą wolną, która nie zależy do wymysłu polityków tylko rośnie wraz z medianą wynagrodzeń.
Stosujemy te same stawki bez względu na formę zatrudnienia. Likwidujemy w ten sposób patologię fakowej jdg.
W ten sposób najbiedniejsi będą mieli ogromną ulgę, bo będzie ona realna nie dotycząca tylko PIT, który w przypadku osób pracujących za najniższą krajową i tak waży mało, a osoby o wyższych dochodach nie wpadną w drugi próg.
Żeby system się zbilansował i państwo nie popadło w większe długi to proponuję podatek od gigantów cyfrowych, windfall tax dla korporacji, które wykorzystywały międzynarodową koniunkturę do nadmiarowych zysków.